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AIBU?

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to feel weird about my neighbour's comments about my son?

425 replies

pizzaallday · 18/12/2021 10:45

Hello,

I have a 16 month old and our neighbours are a married couple in their fifties.

They have three children, 26,28 and 32 and no grandchildren yet.

Ever since my son arrived, they have been doting over him.

Inviting him over, giving him food, playing with him.

We never leave him alone with them, either one of us or both of us is with him when he's invited over.

On the one hand I have absolutely no problem with them being so close to my son. The husband suffers from depression and doesn't work anymore and the wife has to work two jobs. They don't have it easy so I can understand how a toddler can bring light and joy to someone's life.

Let's call this couple Mr and Mrs Smith and my son is called Josh (names changed).

There are just some comments Mr Smith makes occasionally that I find cringeworthy.

For example:

  • He said when he was playing with him: "Oh Josh, I want to go to bed with you"
  • They knocked on our door in the evening and he said "Josh, I want to spend all night with you"
  • Last time we were at their house Mr Smith was playing with Josh. He then made a sawing motion at his ear and said: "I want to cut off your ear and make bacon off it".
  • The other day my husband left the house in the evening, because he had to go somewhere. Mr Smith was outside his house and he asked my husband: "Are you going to pick up Josh? (we send him to a childminder)" "I will come with you!"
  • Usually I pick him up from the childminder in the evening. When I arrive back home, Mr Smith usually sits in his car, because he has to pick up his wife from work. When he sees Josh, he either pulls his window down to shout his name or comes out to interact with him
  • Mr Smith has an alcohol problem as well. He drinks every evening, usually whiskey. In summer, when it was still warm at night, we often sat in our living room and heard Mr Smith singing in in the garden. It was obvious he was drunk and he was singing my son's name 😳 That has stopped now, either because it's too cold outside or perhaps because his wife asked him to drink less.

His wife always is very embarrassed when her husband makes those comments to my son and says "He doesn't mean it".

I know the comments are made in a certain context and I don't think Mr Smith is a pedophile.

Still, they give me a bad feeling and I feel like he is crossing boundaries he shouldn't.

It's very hard for me to know whether I am being unreasonable or not.

On the one hand they are a lovely couple with lovely children and are nice neighbours that we get on well with.

On the other hand his comments give me the creeps.

AIBU to feel this way?

OP posts:
JabNotInArm · 18/12/2021 11:23
  • It's not so much about Josh being safe because you are always there because I'm sure he is very safe when you are there. For me its more by being close/friendly with the neighbour, you are setting the boundary for josh that Mr Smith is a trustworthy adult when actually you are not so sure if he is or not. If you left Josh unattended for one second/ got lost he would trust Mr Smith to chat/ play/ go for a walk because he is a trusted adult of his. I'd definitely pull back a lot. Better safe than sorry.*

100% this.

It's up to you to make the difficult choices/have awkward conversations to keep your son safe.

catfunk · 18/12/2021 11:23

I don't quite understand why he makes comments like 'I want to go to bed with you' that you haven't immediately said 'excuse me? What do you mean?' EVERY SINGLE TIME.
What do you do - just sit there and politely smile?

catfunk · 18/12/2021 11:24

I mean best case scenario he's just being clumsy with his words but if that's the case he needs to know it causes alarm and offence and would easily get him arrested.

MrsColon · 18/12/2021 11:27

@catfunk

I don't quite understand why he makes comments like 'I want to go to bed with you' that you haven't immediately said 'excuse me? What do you mean?' EVERY SINGLE TIME. What do you do - just sit there and politely smile?
This! I mean, how did you not say "WTF?!" Xmas Shock
PAFMO · 18/12/2021 11:29

What did you say to the bed comments?

Freddiefox · 18/12/2021 11:32

You need to move, it’s creepy and weird. His wife’s knows it.

Maybe he’s being friendly, but you aren’t creating boundaries for them, and I’d hazard a guess you don’t like confrontation.

Your son will get older, and think it’s ok to chat to the kind old neighbour next door.

He may be harmless, but you are controlling the situation.

Freddiefox · 18/12/2021 11:33

Aren’t

BiteySpears · 18/12/2021 11:35

When it comes to your child you have every right to feel uncomfortable and limit contact as much as you wish. At best you limit contact with an unrelated lonely man. At worse you protect your child from abuse.

For what it’s worth, I think instincts are often right. I grew up with a family friend who used to try and tickle us and regularly made reference to his ‘little girlfriends’. People just thought he was a playful person and joking about having multiple younger girlfriends (he was in his sixties). He was actually sexually abusing his two step granddaughters and a friends children. When he came close to me I would lean back in my seat and kick hard so he couldn’t touch me. I do not regret following that instinct, even though I was scolded for being rude by adults.

MRSAHILL · 18/12/2021 11:36

Me and my dh are in our fifties and believe me, we would never say those things to anyone, especially not a child. That man is seriously weird and it has nothing to do with being in his fifties, he isn't some very elderly, confused old man who you have to make allowances for. I would never ever go round to their house again and I'd never allow them in my house. Do not encourage your ds to think these people are family friends and that they are safe. Avoid these people like the plague from now on. You son is more important than hurting their feelings.

Mischance · 18/12/2021 11:37

Could you challenge him about it? Short of moving house this seems to be the only option; and it is clear that his wife knows that boundaries are being overstepped from her comment "He doesn't mean it."

I would simply say to him that you find some of his comments about Josh unacceptable and that you will be keeping Josh at home with you at the moment - he will not be coming round.

I know that it is uncomfortable to have to do this; but it is uncomfortable already so you might as well dive in and try to solve this problem. As others have said, it will get harder to keep them apart, both with you and on his own, as time goes by, and this bloke needs to know that you find it unacceptable.

Honestly, there are paedophiles who are parents and seem happily married, whose wives are covering up for them. I know of one such couple.

You owe it to your little boy to tackle this problem head on - I do not envy you this; it is a grim situation. But it needs nipping in the bud now.

I send you lots of good luck wishes.

Nanny0gg · 18/12/2021 11:38

@pizzaallday

Interesting to see people's reactions so far.

Josh is in no immediate danger as we would never leave him alone with the neighbours.

It's very much a "grey situation".

When he made the comment "I want to go to bed with you" I said to my husband later: he probably meant: "You're so cute, I want to cuddle you".

I wonder if we are just making excuses for him?

I think in general it's highly inappropriate for a man in his fifties to say that to a 16 month old, no matter how it is meant 🙄

I think you should have challenged him and asked him what on earth he meant by that
SylvanianFrenemies · 18/12/2021 11:38

The ear/bacon thing - fine.

The going to bed type comments- wtf, and no! At best odd, and evidence of poor judgement.

Why do you keep saying you are sure he's not a paedophile?

ComDummings · 18/12/2021 11:40

@SylvanianFrenemies

The ear/bacon thing - fine.

The going to bed type comments- wtf, and no! At best odd, and evidence of poor judgement.

Why do you keep saying you are sure he's not a paedophile?

This ^ Why?
AllyBama · 18/12/2021 11:41

What the actual fuck? Those aren’t normal comments, drunk or not. Don’t let your son grow up feeling comfortable around this person, I would stop all contact with them apart from a polite neighbourly nod every now and then. But there’s no way in hell my son would ever be spending time with him again, supervised or not.

CandleWick4 · 18/12/2021 11:41

OP without meaning to maybe scare you did he go to the child minder with your DH? Does he know where the child minder lives?
His comments are not ok, the singing his name in the garden is absolutely weird. You need to start distancing yourself now. Trust your gut.

TerraNovaTwo · 18/12/2021 11:43

Why are you still allowing this man near your child? In your lives?

Don't let this escalate any further... cut off all contact permanently. Avoid. Avoid. Avoid.

Thatldo · 18/12/2021 11:48

Horrid comments by an alcholic.Like other people said,your child is getting older and it is unlikely these comments are getting less.Good luck in setting new boundaries with an alcoholic.yes,covid might be your friend and best option at the moment.

BobbyBleu · 18/12/2021 11:48

To me it does sound like someone who is pushing the boundaries with his comments to see how you react.
This could be the start of grooming.

I think those comments are strange and make me feel uncomfortable.

Thankfully you are sensible and wouldn't leave your son with him but I think you should avoid them now before your son forms any sort of relationship with them and thinks they are safe people.

Chachasha · 18/12/2021 11:49

I'm thinking about the child getting old enough to play outside on his own and interact with others without constant supervision. The op will need to incessantly police his movements as I feel this man's behaviour sounds sinister. That's not going to work. He needs to be safe

PinkFizz1 · 18/12/2021 11:52

I’m sure he’s not a child molester

How? @TheYearOfSmallThings

Malibuismysecrethome · 18/12/2021 11:53

He wouldn’t be coming near my child and his wife is enabling him

SusanHalf · 18/12/2021 11:55

We moved after our old neighbour was very similar, I used Sarah’s law and found out why he was so interested in my son. We moved sharply.

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/12/2021 11:55

Good grief, keep well away. Tell them why, too.

If they have a problem with that, offer to have a PCSO mediate and give an opinion. Creepy as hell.

HidingFromDD · 18/12/2021 11:57

Similar age and was fully expecting to read this and say ‘it’s a generational thing’. Comments such as the ear thing were common when we were growing up and generally just a sign of affection. The stuff about all night is absolutely weird and creepy. And I’d second all the other comments about drawing back a lot and don’t let your son see this person as a trusted adult. Trust your instincts on this one

PestoSugarPlumFairy · 18/12/2021 11:58

@musicalfrog

I wonder how much your house is worth? Might be an idea to check that out OP.

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