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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to feel weird about my neighbour's comments about my son?

425 replies

pizzaallday · 18/12/2021 10:45

Hello,

I have a 16 month old and our neighbours are a married couple in their fifties.

They have three children, 26,28 and 32 and no grandchildren yet.

Ever since my son arrived, they have been doting over him.

Inviting him over, giving him food, playing with him.

We never leave him alone with them, either one of us or both of us is with him when he's invited over.

On the one hand I have absolutely no problem with them being so close to my son. The husband suffers from depression and doesn't work anymore and the wife has to work two jobs. They don't have it easy so I can understand how a toddler can bring light and joy to someone's life.

Let's call this couple Mr and Mrs Smith and my son is called Josh (names changed).

There are just some comments Mr Smith makes occasionally that I find cringeworthy.

For example:

  • He said when he was playing with him: "Oh Josh, I want to go to bed with you"
  • They knocked on our door in the evening and he said "Josh, I want to spend all night with you"
  • Last time we were at their house Mr Smith was playing with Josh. He then made a sawing motion at his ear and said: "I want to cut off your ear and make bacon off it".
  • The other day my husband left the house in the evening, because he had to go somewhere. Mr Smith was outside his house and he asked my husband: "Are you going to pick up Josh? (we send him to a childminder)" "I will come with you!"
  • Usually I pick him up from the childminder in the evening. When I arrive back home, Mr Smith usually sits in his car, because he has to pick up his wife from work. When he sees Josh, he either pulls his window down to shout his name or comes out to interact with him
  • Mr Smith has an alcohol problem as well. He drinks every evening, usually whiskey. In summer, when it was still warm at night, we often sat in our living room and heard Mr Smith singing in in the garden. It was obvious he was drunk and he was singing my son's name 😳 That has stopped now, either because it's too cold outside or perhaps because his wife asked him to drink less.

His wife always is very embarrassed when her husband makes those comments to my son and says "He doesn't mean it".

I know the comments are made in a certain context and I don't think Mr Smith is a pedophile.

Still, they give me a bad feeling and I feel like he is crossing boundaries he shouldn't.

It's very hard for me to know whether I am being unreasonable or not.

On the one hand they are a lovely couple with lovely children and are nice neighbours that we get on well with.

On the other hand his comments give me the creeps.

AIBU to feel this way?

OP posts:
PuckyMup · 18/12/2021 11:58

make it crystal clear to the childminder than only you or your husband can pick your kid up and that she must tell you if anyone ever shows interest in him when out or tries to collect him

SoSickOfItNow · 18/12/2021 12:08

My DH is 50
I want to go to bed with you
isn’t something he has ever said to our own DC!

luckylavender · 18/12/2021 12:13

Josh is in no danger now but he won't be this young for ever. He trusts your NDN and you cannot watch him forever. He will be able to wander off before you know it.

Cindercat · 18/12/2021 12:17

Stop exposing your child to this inappropriate man. It doesn't matter that he's never alone with them. He is learning all the time what is ok and what isn't. This man's comments just aren't.

Justheretoaskaquestion91 · 18/12/2021 12:22

I think his wife saying, embarrassed “he doesn’t mean it” is actually a huge red flag. It’s almost like she knows something and is trying to cover for it. So bizarre.

Wpeoruahryclabegtt · 18/12/2021 12:24

The fact the wife is embarrassed shows they know it's inappropriate. Keep your distance. You have absolutely every right to.

krustykittens · 18/12/2021 12:29

This man is as creepy as fuck and yet you and your DH seem determined to ignore it. Why? If the man meant to say, "You are so cute and I want to cuddle you," that is what he would have said. What he ACTUALLY said was, "I want to go to bed with you." Why are you so sure he's not a pervert? As a PP, plenty of sickos have families and wives covering up for them. He is grooming your child right in front of you, you are all pretending his behaviour is OK and you are eroding boundaries for your son. Trust your instincts, OP, and keep him away from your child.

offtothebeach · 18/12/2021 12:30

There is no way to know whether he is a paedophile or just a harmless alcoholic. I'd err on the side of caution and stay well away from him and his wife. Your son will not lose anything by not having them in his life.

heathspeedwell · 18/12/2021 12:35

Definitely trust your instincts. There are far, far more creepy men out there than most of us realise. I was abused by a man who sounds like your neighbour when I was 10.

He and his wife had 3 adult children so my parents assumed they were a nice couple. He always gave me the creeps with the way he used to look at me. My parents made me sit on his lap and I really didn't want to. He proceeded to grope me under my clothes while they were in the room and they didn't even notice!

If you get a sense that a man is creepy he could well be far more dangerous than you think.

Marvellousmadness · 18/12/2021 12:35

Wtf. Why are you still talking to these people?! That is a fucking disturbing comment. Tell them to stay away from your kid. And look the man up in the sex offender register or something. Yikes....

GalaPie · 18/12/2021 12:36

Wtf is wrong with you. You say your son is safe because you never leave him alone with this man.
I don't want any child of mine around someone who even thinks those remarks, let alone says them,

OakRowan · 18/12/2021 12:37

YABU unreasonable to expose your child to an alcoholic, this won't get any safer for him as he gets older, protect him.

PestoSugarPlumFairy · 18/12/2021 12:39

Wasn't there this exact same thread a couple of months ago?

DrManhattan · 18/12/2021 12:39

Why are you even asking? You must know this is inappropriate

Malibuismysecrethome · 18/12/2021 12:40

You can actually request information from the police about your neighbour if you have concerns. I think it is Sarah’s Law it’s not straightforward but they have to let you know if he is a person of interest.

juliainthedeepwater · 18/12/2021 12:43

If anyone said they wanted 'to go to bed' with my 17 month old, I would tell them immediately that this is a sinister and predatory comment and I'd be keeping my child away from them in future. I would also want to warn other families in the area. I think often our instinct is to explain away disturbing and potentially dangerous behaviour, as it's easier than confronting the reality that some people are, sadly, dangerous.

ThePoetsWife · 18/12/2021 12:45

@juliainthedeepwater

If anyone said they wanted 'to go to bed' with my 17 month old, I would tell them immediately that this is a sinister and predatory comment and I'd be keeping my child away from them in future. I would also want to warn other families in the area. I think often our instinct is to explain away disturbing and potentially dangerous behaviour, as it's easier than confronting the reality that some people are, sadly, dangerous.
This.

I don't get why you have continued to maintain contact after the first creepy comment.

whenthedoveslie · 18/12/2021 12:45

No no no!!! God no. Keep your baby away from this man.

Your instincts are telling you exactly why.

You could be literally setting your son up to potential abuse should you allow this contact to continue. This is how grooming works, and abusers often play the long game.

You must stop seeing this couple because while you don't know if the neighbour is a peadophile, his comments and drinking problem are red flags enough for you to know this is a very unsuitable person to have anywhere near your precious baby.

furbabymama87 · 18/12/2021 12:46

The bed comment is weird. Even if he meant nothing by it, most people are aware of what is and isn't appropriate to say and that that can be taken the wrong way. The bacon comment is an attempt at humour. I would just remain polite to them but not over friendly and freeze them out a bit if they're a bit full on.

DDMAC · 18/12/2021 12:48

I would maintain a lot more distance from them. You sound like a lovely person but you don’t really know this man or what he is capable of. The comments he has made make me uncomfortable and I say that as someone who was abused. It’s not your responsibility to make him feel better about himself he has a wife and 3 grown up children of his own for that.

cherrypie66 · 18/12/2021 12:48

Time to move

bevelino · 18/12/2021 12:48

@DrManhattan

Why are you even asking? You must know this is inappropriate
This

What has the neighbour’s age got to do with it. Anyone who makes comments like that to a child is highly inappropriate.

OakRowan · 18/12/2021 12:49

'Still, they give me a bad feeling and I feel like he is crossing boundaries he shouldn't.'
Its also you crossing boundaries, being inappropriate, your child has boundaries that you should be guarding. Totally agree that he isn't the only problem so much as you are, by teaching your child that he is trustworthy and safe - he isn't, not at all.

dottiedodah · 18/12/2021 12:49

I think he is overstepping boundaries her like crazy! The all night bedtime comments are weird as fuck. I would be stepping well back I think and even considering a move as above PP says

DDMAC · 18/12/2021 12:49

@JabNotInArm

* It's not so much about Josh being safe because you are always there because I'm sure he is very safe when you are there. For me its more by being close/friendly with the neighbour, you are setting the boundary for josh that Mr Smith is a trustworthy adult when actually you are not so sure if he is or not. If you left Josh unattended for one second/ got lost he would trust Mr Smith to chat/ play/ go for a walk because he is a trusted adult of his. I'd definitely pull back a lot. Better safe than sorry.*

100% this.

It's up to you to make the difficult choices/have awkward conversations to keep your son safe.

This is spot on.