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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to feel weird about my neighbour's comments about my son?

425 replies

pizzaallday · 18/12/2021 10:45

Hello,

I have a 16 month old and our neighbours are a married couple in their fifties.

They have three children, 26,28 and 32 and no grandchildren yet.

Ever since my son arrived, they have been doting over him.

Inviting him over, giving him food, playing with him.

We never leave him alone with them, either one of us or both of us is with him when he's invited over.

On the one hand I have absolutely no problem with them being so close to my son. The husband suffers from depression and doesn't work anymore and the wife has to work two jobs. They don't have it easy so I can understand how a toddler can bring light and joy to someone's life.

Let's call this couple Mr and Mrs Smith and my son is called Josh (names changed).

There are just some comments Mr Smith makes occasionally that I find cringeworthy.

For example:

  • He said when he was playing with him: "Oh Josh, I want to go to bed with you"
  • They knocked on our door in the evening and he said "Josh, I want to spend all night with you"
  • Last time we were at their house Mr Smith was playing with Josh. He then made a sawing motion at his ear and said: "I want to cut off your ear and make bacon off it".
  • The other day my husband left the house in the evening, because he had to go somewhere. Mr Smith was outside his house and he asked my husband: "Are you going to pick up Josh? (we send him to a childminder)" "I will come with you!"
  • Usually I pick him up from the childminder in the evening. When I arrive back home, Mr Smith usually sits in his car, because he has to pick up his wife from work. When he sees Josh, he either pulls his window down to shout his name or comes out to interact with him
  • Mr Smith has an alcohol problem as well. He drinks every evening, usually whiskey. In summer, when it was still warm at night, we often sat in our living room and heard Mr Smith singing in in the garden. It was obvious he was drunk and he was singing my son's name 😳 That has stopped now, either because it's too cold outside or perhaps because his wife asked him to drink less.

His wife always is very embarrassed when her husband makes those comments to my son and says "He doesn't mean it".

I know the comments are made in a certain context and I don't think Mr Smith is a pedophile.

Still, they give me a bad feeling and I feel like he is crossing boundaries he shouldn't.

It's very hard for me to know whether I am being unreasonable or not.

On the one hand they are a lovely couple with lovely children and are nice neighbours that we get on well with.

On the other hand his comments give me the creeps.

AIBU to feel this way?

OP posts:
OakRowan · 20/12/2021 05:41

Haven't, all the typos, you haven't any boundaries around your child, or even around your own life as an adult around this man. You aren't listening, you don't care about the impact this is having on your child or on adult survivors hearing you justify your own behaviour. You kept it going outside the car, you did nothing at all to change this or build a boundary, nothing. You are complicit in the erosion of boundaries of a vulnerable baby who needs you, but doesn't have anyone to protect them. You haven't handled it so far, prevented it, you have allowed it. His whole life until now, poor kid.

OakRowan · 20/12/2021 06:49

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4431165-TW-Could-Grandad-harm-or-abuse-my-children
@pizzaallday read up, pay attention to how parents react to threats to their children’s safety and wellbeing, listen to adult survivors telling you that you're in so much danger and can't see it. Step it up, treat this as though you are being harassed as an adult, tell him in person or in writing he has made you deeply uncomfortable and you wish to be left alone, anything further from him and you will contact the police. Then contact the police. He is harassing you and it as developed slowly enough that you don't recognise him for what he is. The police will respond if you ask him to.leave your family alone. Tell someone. Ring the NSPCC, explain it and listen.

WheekestLink · 20/12/2021 07:59

YANBU at all. I totally believe your story as I have known a man like this (family friend) but saw his behaviour as an adult and I did not have a child at the time.

You are doing all the right things - keep on removing your son from his presence and as you have said, never leave him alone with him.

I know you think he is not a paedophile, but (without all of the information and without knowing him) I would disagree.

Comments about eating an ear and going to bed with him really ring alarm bells and reading your post, the hairs on my arms stood on end.

You really should trust your gut instinct and you are both feeling it. He could be trying to groom you.

So often (not in your case) people pass off inappropriate behaviour as someone being a "harmless weirdo". People can have fantasies and never act on them, but they are still a danger to a child and should be kept away at all costs.

Patapouf · 20/12/2021 08:09

Move house Grin

chinabumps85 · 20/12/2021 08:44

@Graphista

In this case you NEED to be abrupt!

You seriously need some assertiveness training (loads online for this)

This is your job as a parent to protect your child

Creeps DO NOT take hints

Bugs me when overly passive people say "I don't like confrontation"

NOBODY likes it but it's a necessary part of life especially as a parent

Your child's need for your protection FAR exceeds your passing embarrassment/awkwardness, you'll get over that feeling quickly the effects of being groomed/abused are for life!

Your dh sounds rather spineless tbh! My ex was many things but in this scenario he'd have long ago had stern words warning this neighbour off his family! He wouldn't have sworn or raised his voice even but he would have exuded the appropriate authority needed.

This!!!!
chinabumps85 · 20/12/2021 08:50

*But I get the feeling you’re not going to do even that are you? What would it actually take? For you to actually witness something happen? Bit late then.

What was the point of this thread?*

Also this!! I'm yet to understand why you OR your husband hasn't said anything. It doesn't have to be fuck off but as pp have said, something like 'I don't like some of the comments you've said to my boy, please leave us alone.' You're a pd

chinabumps85 · 20/12/2021 08:51

@chinabumps85

*But I get the feeling you’re not going to do even that are you? What would it actually take? For you to actually witness something happen? Bit late then.

What was the point of this thread?*

Also this!! I'm yet to understand why you OR your husband hasn't said anything. It doesn't have to be fuck off but as pp have said, something like 'I don't like some of the comments you've said to my boy, please leave us alone.' You're a pd

  • posted too soon thanks to DD pressing my phone🙄

You're a parent. You're going to be put in situations you may not feel comfortable in but you need to speak up for your child. This weirdo doesn't seem like he'll take any hits so good luck with that. It's honestly as if posters care more about creating a distance between your son and your neighbour than both of you do!

supergloo · 20/12/2021 09:00

I think the reference to age is odd. Mid 50's is not some slightly eccentric doddery old man. This is the prime of an adult man's life. He knows better.

Mammyloveswine · 20/12/2021 09:01

Op can you speak to Mrs smith? Tell her what her husband says is totally inappropriate and his interactions are unsettling.

If she doesn't speak to her husband and read him the riot act then you will have no choice but to completely ignore both of them and if they continue trying to interact you will contact the police.

supergloo · 20/12/2021 09:09

As for being rude or abrupt, you dont have to be, I dont know what your relationship is like but surely you can be frank? Just "oh wow, dont say things like that to kids, it sounds really weird"

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felulageller · 20/12/2021 09:54

This is what grooming looks like.

pizzaallday · 20/12/2021 13:03

@WheekestLink

YANBU at all. I totally believe your story as I have known a man like this (family friend) but saw his behaviour as an adult and I did not have a child at the time.

You are doing all the right things - keep on removing your son from his presence and as you have said, never leave him alone with him.

I know you think he is not a paedophile, but (without all of the information and without knowing him) I would disagree.

Comments about eating an ear and going to bed with him really ring alarm bells and reading your post, the hairs on my arms stood on end.

You really should trust your gut instinct and you are both feeling it. He could be trying to groom you.

So often (not in your case) people pass off inappropriate behaviour as someone being a "harmless weirdo". People can have fantasies and never act on them, but they are still a danger to a child and should be kept away at all costs.

Thank you.

I am not sure if he is a pedophile or not, but I don't trust him, that's why they can't have contact with my son anymore.

I think at best he has poor judgment what to say because of his alcoholism and at worst he is a pedophile.

Both not safe scenarios for my son to be around.

The wife has actually texted me this morning if she can see my son as her holiday is starting today.

I texted her back and said it's not possible as we're isolating because of Corona to minimise risk.

OP posts:
WindyState · 20/12/2021 13:08

"I texted her back and said it's not possible as we're isolating because of Corona to minimise risk."

And in two weeks time when they ask again what are you going to say?

You are prioritising the feelings of your neighbours over the safety of your son. Get a grip.

PurplePansy05 · 20/12/2021 13:12

The fact she texted you this after everything that's happened is actually sickening. I'm revolted, it is pretty clear she's in on it. I actually think starting off with the covid excuse os a good first step, no doubt one or both of them will ask again and then firmly tell them no, we will not be seeing each other again. No explanation is needed. OP, they will know why without you telling them even if they pretend they don't.

JanisMoplin · 20/12/2021 13:27

Unbelievable thread. Can't believe this is not a wind up. I wouldn't want to be on such close suffocating terms with neighbours even if they were not pedophiles. You are being groomed and you are failing your son.

I would offend every neighbour around before I tolerated this.

MissCruellaDeVil · 20/12/2021 13:29

Get your son away from this creep! I'd be looking to move, pronto.

Bubblty · 20/12/2021 13:31

No wtf. This is not a grey area its fucking creepy

boogiewithasuitcase · 20/12/2021 13:36

@PurplePansy05

The fact she texted you this after everything that's happened is actually sickening. I'm revolted, it is pretty clear she's in on it. I actually think starting off with the covid excuse os a good first step, no doubt one or both of them will ask again and then firmly tell them no, we will not be seeing each other again. No explanation is needed. OP, they will know why without you telling them even if they pretend they don't.

I agree, they both are going to keep pushing and behaving obsessively as far as your son is concerned, sickening.

Mischance · 20/12/2021 13:38

It is beyond abnormal for he wife to be texting you and asking to see your son! Your son is nothing to do with her - she should not be asking to see him.

I know you are trying to deal with this tactfully, but they are relying on you feeling too embarrassed to be blunt with them.

This situation is beyond normal tactful polite human exchanges - you need to remember that their behaviour is totally abnormal, so you cannot apply the normal rules, however hard that might be for you.

Text her back and say you both have decided that you do not want your son to have contact with either her or her OH as from now and that it is not negotiable. If their response gives you trouble, then get back to the NSPCC and seek their advice.

Time to stop this NOW.

You are trying to respond to an abnormal situation by being normal - it just will not work.

Bubblty · 20/12/2021 13:42

I know the comments are made in a certain context and I don't think Mr Smith is a pedophile. you don't know this though.

And its wholly inappropriate. You can be polite if you want but you need to stop this.

musicalfrog · 20/12/2021 13:51

Won't they notice that you're not isolating, or are you actually planning to isolate to avoid them?

Whole situation is bonkers tbh!

chinabumps85 · 20/12/2021 13:52

@WindyState

"I texted her back and said it's not possible as we're isolating because of Corona to minimise risk."

And in two weeks time when they ask again what are you going to say?

You are prioritising the feelings of your neighbours over the safety of your son. Get a grip.

Thank you!!!

Every update is seriously frustrating me. You've missed another opportunity yet again to say something. You could have said anything along the lines of 'unfortunately I won't be bringing my son around anymore as some of Mr Smith's comments in the past have made me uncomfortable.' You claim you don't like confrontation but how much easier is it to say something via text if you're not able to say it to their face!!! I don't even think you're trying to help yourself at this point

Fidgetty · 20/12/2021 13:53

Weird weird weirdo. Keep them at arms length OP and always trust your gut!

LonginesPrime · 20/12/2021 14:07

My husband also said we should distance ourselves from them and then they will eventually get the hint.

How are you happy for this to go on until they eventually get the hint? How many inappropriate situations does your son have to endure before you will put a stop to them?

There's a lot of different ways you can faze someone out.

That may be so, but this is not one of them:

The wife has actually texted me this morning if she can see my son as her holiday is starting today.

I texted her back and said it's not possible as we're isolating because of Corona to minimise risk.

You're not even giving them any hints, OP - you're simply letting them continue to think that they can have contact with your DS and that you're fine with that.

Since you're so concerned about your neighbours' feelings, it's surprising that you're actually leading them on like this. You're giving them false expectations of the contact they obviously want to have with your son once you're not isolating any more, so either you're lying on here about stopping contact or you're setting yourself up for a worse situation in two weeks' time.

You're basically lying to them and are leading them on by not being honest with them, and every time you lead them on and pretend that you're still fine with them spending time with your son, you're actually putting your son more at risk as you're increasing the social obligation you're under to provide them with access to your son.

Not only are you letting your son down massively, but you're also being duplicitous to your neighbours now if you genuinely intend not to allow them to see him.