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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to feel weird about my neighbour's comments about my son?

425 replies

pizzaallday · 18/12/2021 10:45

Hello,

I have a 16 month old and our neighbours are a married couple in their fifties.

They have three children, 26,28 and 32 and no grandchildren yet.

Ever since my son arrived, they have been doting over him.

Inviting him over, giving him food, playing with him.

We never leave him alone with them, either one of us or both of us is with him when he's invited over.

On the one hand I have absolutely no problem with them being so close to my son. The husband suffers from depression and doesn't work anymore and the wife has to work two jobs. They don't have it easy so I can understand how a toddler can bring light and joy to someone's life.

Let's call this couple Mr and Mrs Smith and my son is called Josh (names changed).

There are just some comments Mr Smith makes occasionally that I find cringeworthy.

For example:

  • He said when he was playing with him: "Oh Josh, I want to go to bed with you"
  • They knocked on our door in the evening and he said "Josh, I want to spend all night with you"
  • Last time we were at their house Mr Smith was playing with Josh. He then made a sawing motion at his ear and said: "I want to cut off your ear and make bacon off it".
  • The other day my husband left the house in the evening, because he had to go somewhere. Mr Smith was outside his house and he asked my husband: "Are you going to pick up Josh? (we send him to a childminder)" "I will come with you!"
  • Usually I pick him up from the childminder in the evening. When I arrive back home, Mr Smith usually sits in his car, because he has to pick up his wife from work. When he sees Josh, he either pulls his window down to shout his name or comes out to interact with him
  • Mr Smith has an alcohol problem as well. He drinks every evening, usually whiskey. In summer, when it was still warm at night, we often sat in our living room and heard Mr Smith singing in in the garden. It was obvious he was drunk and he was singing my son's name 😳 That has stopped now, either because it's too cold outside or perhaps because his wife asked him to drink less.

His wife always is very embarrassed when her husband makes those comments to my son and says "He doesn't mean it".

I know the comments are made in a certain context and I don't think Mr Smith is a pedophile.

Still, they give me a bad feeling and I feel like he is crossing boundaries he shouldn't.

It's very hard for me to know whether I am being unreasonable or not.

On the one hand they are a lovely couple with lovely children and are nice neighbours that we get on well with.

On the other hand his comments give me the creeps.

AIBU to feel this way?

OP posts:
SeptemberAlexandra · 19/12/2021 21:20

This man is not going to back off. The longer this goes on the more familiar and trusted he will be to your son. This needs to be nipped in the bud and fast. I don’t believe for a second that anything you and you husband do will make a blind bit of difference.

The only way to keep your son safe is to move house and if necessary change childminders. Staying with the same lender often helps as products are often portable and won’t incur fees. It’s worth looking into and is what I would do in your position .

ImmutableSexQueen · 19/12/2021 21:50

Why not talk to the NSPCC, social services or the police? They might know some strategies for dealing with noncey neighbours.

Graphista · 19/12/2021 22:23

In this case you NEED to be abrupt!

You seriously need some assertiveness training (loads online for this)

This is your job as a parent to protect your child

Creeps DO NOT take hints

Bugs me when overly passive people say "I don't like confrontation"

NOBODY likes it but it's a necessary part of life especially as a parent

Your child's need for your protection FAR exceeds your passing embarrassment/awkwardness, you'll get over that feeling quickly the effects of being groomed/abused are for life!

Your dh sounds rather spineless tbh! My ex was many things but in this scenario he'd have long ago had stern words warning this neighbour off his family! He wouldn't have sworn or raised his voice even but he would have exuded the appropriate authority needed.

Mischance · 19/12/2021 22:42

Let me give you an example of how to do this. I saw dangerous driving from a minibus driver who was taking my DD to school. I contacted the company and complained, and the next morning the driver came to my door and, in a threatening manner, shouted "Are you trying to lose me my job?" ....to which I replied "I do not care about your job; I care about my child's safety."

Not a pleasant conversation, and I hate having to be challenging, but my DD's safety took precedence over absolutely anything else. Your child's safety should take precedence over your discomfort with confrontation.

You must be clear with him and not beat about the bush with feeble made-up excuses - e.g. he needs his nappy changing or whatever - you need to say you do not like him taking so much interest in your son and you would like him to back off. Even the fact that his wife is showing that she knows he is inappropriate does not seem sufficient to motivate you to step up.

Rajono · 19/12/2021 23:09

I would be very concerned to be honest. You can try and explain away the comments as "ill chosen words", my question is why was he sitting in the garden, drunk, on his own in the evenings singing your sons name?! How do you explain that one? I would be freaked out if I heard my neighbour singing my children's names, and there is not one reason why that would be acceptable behaviour

AllyBama · 19/12/2021 23:23

OP on your head be it if anything happens. You’ve had so many opportunities to end these interactions but you’re so busy wringing your hands, worried about confrontations and offending your neighbour that you haven’t.

You don’t need to be rude and tell him to fuck off. You just need to be clear and firm. ‘I don’t like how you speak to my son so I’d like you to stay away from him’.

But I get the feeling you’re not going to do even that are you? What would it actually take? For you to actually witness something happen? Bit late then.

What was the point of this thread?

FictionalCharacter · 19/12/2021 23:30

@chinabumps85

It's getting more and more awkward now 😭

Seriously, do you even care? You've had so many great comments about how to approach this and that probably would have been the best time to say something. Yet you've let him hang about for 20mins hoping he'll go away. You're not even trying to put boundaries in place. Seriously bye

I give up now too. This thread has upset me more than any other and I seriously hope it’s a windup. For someone to read accounts from people like me who were assaulted as children because their parents didn’t keep them safe - like she isn’t keeping hers safe - and not to be jolted into getting their act together, is shocking.

FWIW if this is real, the daughter knows something. If they were a normal family she would maybe have come out smiling to join the chat, or said “are you coming in Dad?” or something like that. To stand at the door giving him a look is strange.

boogiewithasuitcase · 20/12/2021 00:09

But fazing him out and hinting didn't work today did it?

Your son's safety comes first, before manners and neighbourly chats. You and your DH need to step up and protect your son from this man. He is NOT a nice neighbour. He is dangerous.

Anaximedes · 20/12/2021 00:11

You can usually move your fixed rate mortgage to another property so long as you can still meet the lending criteria anew.Talk to your lender and an IFA. You don't have to take it any further yet, but it'd be good to know what your position is.

My feelings on the neighbour are similar to most of the posters on the thread.

Nanny2many · 20/12/2021 00:24

@Justheretoaskaquestion91

It's only when his daughter was at the front door and gave us a strange look because her father wouldn't come in

Bit concerning that the daughter also thinks something is amiss?!

and how many more minutes would OP have allowed him to stand with her had the daughter not gone to the front door?
NowEvenBetter · 20/12/2021 00:56

No need for hints. Advocate for your child. Why does this even need pointed out, ffs.

NowEvenBetter · 20/12/2021 00:58

Exactly, @AllyBama
Hope someone steps in for the child.

NowEvenBetter · 20/12/2021 01:01

As one of the 1 in 20 kids in the uk who get sexually abused (am now an adult, against all odds) OP repulses me. Attempts to safeguard her kid are falling on ineffective ears, hopefully someone actually protects her kid. [hides noncey thread]

UniversalAunt · 20/12/2021 01:06

Trust your gut instinct.
Keep a brief note of what is said, the pattern will become clearer.
Politely challenge what he & she says at the time so that they know they know that you are sharp & fully aware.
Develop a polite & firm distance from them.
Do not leave your child unattended with them.

oKoK65 · 20/12/2021 01:40

So best case scenario is he's a man suffering with mh and alcohol issues who makes inappropriate comments/behaviours. Or it could be a lot worse. Either way do you want to continue to spend time with these people who seem overly keen on your child. I'd set some clear boundaries and distance my family from them. If they know where childminder lives I would mention concerns to them.

I understand you believe your child to be safe when you visit but I was abused by my grandfather whilst my grandmother, parents, aunts, cousins were there on more than one occasion and none of them knew. (As far as I know)

Also by continuing this friendship bear in mind your son is building a bond with them too.

oKoK65 · 20/12/2021 01:42

@NowEvenBetter

No need for hints. Advocate for your child. Why does this even need pointed out, ffs.
Better if people feel they can ask the question than not as it at all.
oKoK65 · 20/12/2021 01:59

@Ghislainedefeligonde

I agree that this man is grooming your family and you need to cut all contact with them before your son is put at even more risk. Why would you ‘make small talk’ with that weirdo?
When we are in situations we are uncomfortable/afraid/unnerved etc in we all react differently- flight, fight , friend, freeze. It sounds like op is trying to be friendly so not to cross this person. (Not saying it's the best way to react but hopefully reading some responses the op will try to be more assertive)
bubbleblower85 · 20/12/2021 02:13

Totally agree. Please trust your gut instinct, better to be safe then sorry. Those comments are totally inappropriate and this might get me flamed but you don't know that your friendly old alcoholic neighbor is not a pervert.

scarpa · 20/12/2021 02:27

OP, you are underreacting by quite a lot.

This guy says incredibly inappropriate things about your child in front of you, and is weirdly obsessed with your child. That alone would have me making a Sarah's Law information request just in case and never speaking to them again - if in the best case scenario, he's incredibly socially awkward and just odd, he's still not someone I'd want to encourage interactions with whatsoever - no 20 minutes chattng outside while he peers at your sleeping baby (that update just made my skin crawl). The worst case scenario doesn't bear thinking about.

And you're worried about being rude? Who gives a fuck if you're rude. At best he's a creep and at worst he's a nonce. If you need permission, here it is: be as rude as you want.

scarpa · 20/12/2021 02:31

Oh and watch Abducted in Plain Sight on Netflix, OP, it's the first thing thus thread reminded me of.

Stop ignoring all the giant wavy red flags here.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 20/12/2021 02:39

@Chachasha

I know it sounds over the top but I would think about moving. I cannot see how these comments aren't massively worrying.
Eh what?! Just keep your boy away
ScottishAngryBird · 20/12/2021 02:43

Keep them away from your son OP, it’s unhealthy whatever it is and I’ll admit the first thing I thought “was is he a paedophile”, when that thought bounces around in your head ever then it’s time to cut ties, or better still cut ties and have a word with him about his inappropriateness. The fact that his wife said “he doesn’t mean it” says to me that she knows how he is coming off, and/or she knows more than this, some spouses stay with people this sick.

ScottishAngryBird · 20/12/2021 02:47

@NowEvenBetter

As one of the 1 in 20 kids in the uk who get sexually abused (am now an adult, against all odds) OP repulses me. Attempts to safeguard her kid are falling on ineffective ears, hopefully someone actually protects her kid. [hides noncey thread]
I don’t think that’s fair on the OP, I am sorry you have been abused but due to this then you have far more knowledge on the subject and you’re probably quite suspicious naturally, and I don’t blame you, I would be the same, and if the OP has had zero experiences of paedophiles then she won’t see it like you, I get what you are saying though but the OP is clearly worried hence why she came here for advice.
ScottishAngryBird · 20/12/2021 02:54

@Justheretoaskaquestion91

I think his wife saying, embarrassed “he doesn’t mean it” is actually a huge red flag. It’s almost like she knows something and is trying to cover for it. So bizarre.
Yes I think the same.

OP may I ask if this couple gets their kids and grandkids over to their house? Is the elderly couple allowed to have the kids overnight without their parents?

OakRowan · 20/12/2021 05:32

I am convinced though I can still put boundaries in place and protect my son without being abrupt.

You havt though have you, im what, 16 months, his entire life you don't have any boundaries around him,