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AIBU?

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to feel weird about my neighbour's comments about my son?

425 replies

pizzaallday · 18/12/2021 10:45

Hello,

I have a 16 month old and our neighbours are a married couple in their fifties.

They have three children, 26,28 and 32 and no grandchildren yet.

Ever since my son arrived, they have been doting over him.

Inviting him over, giving him food, playing with him.

We never leave him alone with them, either one of us or both of us is with him when he's invited over.

On the one hand I have absolutely no problem with them being so close to my son. The husband suffers from depression and doesn't work anymore and the wife has to work two jobs. They don't have it easy so I can understand how a toddler can bring light and joy to someone's life.

Let's call this couple Mr and Mrs Smith and my son is called Josh (names changed).

There are just some comments Mr Smith makes occasionally that I find cringeworthy.

For example:

  • He said when he was playing with him: "Oh Josh, I want to go to bed with you"
  • They knocked on our door in the evening and he said "Josh, I want to spend all night with you"
  • Last time we were at their house Mr Smith was playing with Josh. He then made a sawing motion at his ear and said: "I want to cut off your ear and make bacon off it".
  • The other day my husband left the house in the evening, because he had to go somewhere. Mr Smith was outside his house and he asked my husband: "Are you going to pick up Josh? (we send him to a childminder)" "I will come with you!"
  • Usually I pick him up from the childminder in the evening. When I arrive back home, Mr Smith usually sits in his car, because he has to pick up his wife from work. When he sees Josh, he either pulls his window down to shout his name or comes out to interact with him
  • Mr Smith has an alcohol problem as well. He drinks every evening, usually whiskey. In summer, when it was still warm at night, we often sat in our living room and heard Mr Smith singing in in the garden. It was obvious he was drunk and he was singing my son's name 😳 That has stopped now, either because it's too cold outside or perhaps because his wife asked him to drink less.

His wife always is very embarrassed when her husband makes those comments to my son and says "He doesn't mean it".

I know the comments are made in a certain context and I don't think Mr Smith is a pedophile.

Still, they give me a bad feeling and I feel like he is crossing boundaries he shouldn't.

It's very hard for me to know whether I am being unreasonable or not.

On the one hand they are a lovely couple with lovely children and are nice neighbours that we get on well with.

On the other hand his comments give me the creeps.

AIBU to feel this way?

OP posts:
Justheretoaskaquestion91 · 19/12/2021 15:30

It's only when his daughter was at the front door and gave us a strange look because her father wouldn't come in

Bit concerning that the daughter also thinks something is amiss?!

OakRowan · 19/12/2021 15:37

What I mean OP is that you are asking for advice and people who have survived physical and sexual abuse in childhood are giving it, its upsetting and you are ignoring the overwhelming horror at what is happening to your child. You don't seem concerned enough, just embarrassed. Your kid has more problems in future than your grim neighbour.

rubyandbel · 19/12/2021 15:37

Perpetrators often "groom" the parents first. They gain their trust which makes it easier to gain access to the child. Always trust your instincts.

NoNotMeNoSiree · 19/12/2021 15:55

@thethoughtfox

Get them. The fuck. Away from your child.
This! How on earth can you think you're being unreasonable in any way?! Sorry but they sound unstable, they wouldn't be anywhere near my son.
youvegottenminuteslynn · 19/12/2021 16:05

His wife and daughter are more visibly / vocally concerned than you about his behaviour towards your family.

Despite all the posts on your thread with advice and the almost unanimous opinion that you should now stop engaging with your neighbour (other than perhaps a nod in passing) you spent TWENTY MINUTES chatting to him today?

Sometimes people just won't be told. And it's so sad because your little boy is a victim of his parents prioritising not wanting to 'make things awkward' over potential risk to him.

Read the thread again and hopefully some of it will make you think. Not sure what else anyone can say if not.

Mydogmylife · 19/12/2021 16:13

@pizzaallday

I am taking this seriously, that's why I came on here to ask for advice.

I love my son and don't want any harm to happen to him.

Like I said, it's very much a "grey situation". I said to my husband: "Do we make excuses for a man we feel a bit sorry for without realising we're being groomed?"

My husband agrees with me and I also spoke to my mother about it and she also agrees that we have to be very careful.

She said that his comments are beyond weird and if she heard someone saying those things she would think this person had lost their marbles.

I am trying to distance myself from themselves as much as possible and not let my son have any relationship with them.

At the moment my son thinks "Mr Smith" is hilarious, because he makes funny animal sounds when he sees him.

When he's older and he understands the comments though he will feel very uncomfortable.

And I think making someone feel uncomfortable in that way is a violation, no matter what the intention behind it is.

I'm sorry, I don't see where this is a grey situation at all! This man is at best totally inappropriate and creepy and at worst a predatory paedophile . In either case you need to cut contact and stop being in the least bit wishy washy about it. Protect your son ffs
1concernedmummy · 19/12/2021 16:20

Are you lonely OP, is that why you have struggled with having appropriate boundaries with these neighbours?

HappyDays40 · 19/12/2021 16:30

Wants to go to bed with your son! Why are you even talking to him?

Mydogmylife · 19/12/2021 16:30

@pizzaallday

We got back from Christmas tree shopping earlier.

We let our son sleep in his car seat in the car because we didn't want to wake him up. I was standing outside the car watching him.

My husband took the Christmas tree in and set it up.

Mr Smith came and joined me outside the car. I made small talk with him about the weather, his children and corona , hoping he would bored and f*ck off.

He was outside for about 20 minutes though, peeking through the car window, hoping my son would wake up.

It's only when his daughter was at the front door and gave us a strange look because her father wouldn't come in, he went back inside his house.

It's getting more and more awkward now 😭

Well do something the f*about then, instead of whining on here ! For goodness sake step up to the mark, protect your son
Grenlei · 19/12/2021 16:38

The bacon one is the sort of comment I have heard other adults make, I wouldn't think anything about that in isolation.

But the rest of it is very odd and quite unsettling. I am by no means the sort of person who screams paedo as soon as anyone, especially male, is in any way kind or friendly to a child, but this is really concerning. I think he either has some MH issues, possibly exacerbated by his alcoholism, or an unhealthy interest in children. Or both.

I would steer well clear of the family in future.

Pegasushaswings · 19/12/2021 16:42

@pizzaallday

We got back from Christmas tree shopping earlier.

We let our son sleep in his car seat in the car because we didn't want to wake him up. I was standing outside the car watching him.

My husband took the Christmas tree in and set it up.

Mr Smith came and joined me outside the car. I made small talk with him about the weather, his children and corona , hoping he would bored and f*ck off.

He was outside for about 20 minutes though, peeking through the car window, hoping my son would wake up.

It's only when his daughter was at the front door and gave us a strange look because her father wouldn't come in, he went back inside his house.

It's getting more and more awkward now 😭

If that doesn’t wake you up to the fact his interest in your son is all sorts of inappropriate, then nothing will. Even the NDN daughter thought he was acting weirdly!
JanisMoplin · 19/12/2021 16:42

God stop talking to this man. He is grooming you. Your son is going to think he is safe and go to him some day when you are not watching. I do not understand why you are being so weak.

Mayhemmumma · 19/12/2021 16:44

Are they English? The cut of your ear sounds like a similar endearment from my husbands country that doesn't translate well.

But either way he's a drinker, he's making weird comments even his wife acknowledges. Ignore as much as possible and don't pander to him.

Mischance · 19/12/2021 16:50

Just say: "We don't like you constantly wanting to be with my son and watching him and we would be grateful if you would back off and leave us in peace." That is the polite version, which you can adapt to varying degrees of politeness, until you finish up with "Just f* off will you."

What is stopping you from doing this? Is it because it makes you feel uncomfortable to challenge him? Honestly a bit of discomfort for you is a drop in the bucket compared with the havoc this man could wreak for your son.

Tell him what you think - do not hiver and haver and talk around it - just tell it to him straight out. I am at a loss to know why you do not do this. Sometimes as parents we have to do things we do not like to do in order to protect our children.

SusieBob · 19/12/2021 16:57

@Mischance

Just say: "We don't like you constantly wanting to be with my son and watching him and we would be grateful if you would back off and leave us in peace." That is the polite version, which you can adapt to varying degrees of politeness, until you finish up with "Just f* off will you."

What is stopping you from doing this? Is it because it makes you feel uncomfortable to challenge him? Honestly a bit of discomfort for you is a drop in the bucket compared with the havoc this man could wreak for your son.

Tell him what you think - do not hiver and haver and talk around it - just tell it to him straight out. I am at a loss to know why you do not do this. Sometimes as parents we have to do things we do not like to do in order to protect our children.

This, all the way to the bank.

Something seriously wrong when a parent is more concerned about things being a bit awkward than protecting their child from abuse.

PurplePansy05 · 19/12/2021 16:59

She has had 290 responses on this thread, 280+ unanimously tell her this is wrong and to stay away and possibly move.

She then comes back on MN having supposedly read and considered the responses and says she stood there talking to that man for 20 mins whilst he was staring at her son.

There are three options:
A - you're a troll/Daily Mail 'journo' in which case sod off.
B - you have been groomed by this man to such extent that you can't say no, in which case you need to reach out for help from outside, your families, professionals etc. Not MN as we don't know you IRL and you need help, now.
C - You're a complete wet blanket and I'm not sorry if this offends you. Get a grip and finally stand up for your son. You're a mother, this means responsibility. If you haven't got it in you, at least do it for him, otherwise I'm afraid this is a safeguarding issue and I hope for the sake of your son someone will intervene before it's too late.

Kirstos1 · 19/12/2021 17:00

@Mischance

Just say: "We don't like you constantly wanting to be with my son and watching him and we would be grateful if you would back off and leave us in peace." That is the polite version, which you can adapt to varying degrees of politeness, until you finish up with "Just f* off will you."

What is stopping you from doing this? Is it because it makes you feel uncomfortable to challenge him? Honestly a bit of discomfort for you is a drop in the bucket compared with the havoc this man could wreak for your son.

Tell him what you think - do not hiver and haver and talk around it - just tell it to him straight out. I am at a loss to know why you do not do this. Sometimes as parents we have to do things we do not like to do in order to protect our children.

100% this. Stop being so polite. Who cares if your neighbours take the huff with you?
whenthedoveslie · 19/12/2021 17:00

What on earth is wrong with you?

He waited for 20 minutes for your baby to wake up!

I cannot even begin to understand why you didn't tell him to fuck off.

Does abuse need to happen before you actually act? At least tell them how wildly inappropriate they are and that you want them to back the fuck off.

Can you at least do that OP.

Seriously, what is this post about otherwise.

BiscuitLover3678 · 19/12/2021 17:02

Op - people are going to start thinking you are a troll. This thread is really quite upsetting.

BiscuitLover3678 · 19/12/2021 17:03

@PurplePansy05

She has had 290 responses on this thread, 280+ unanimously tell her this is wrong and to stay away and possibly move.

She then comes back on MN having supposedly read and considered the responses and says she stood there talking to that man for 20 mins whilst he was staring at her son.

There are three options:
A - you're a troll/Daily Mail 'journo' in which case sod off.
B - you have been groomed by this man to such extent that you can't say no, in which case you need to reach out for help from outside, your families, professionals etc. Not MN as we don't know you IRL and you need help, now.
C - You're a complete wet blanket and I'm not sorry if this offends you. Get a grip and finally stand up for your son. You're a mother, this means responsibility. If you haven't got it in you, at least do it for him, otherwise I'm afraid this is a safeguarding issue and I hope for the sake of your son someone will intervene before it's too late.

This.

Come on. Be a mum now. It's not awkward It's effing ridiculous.

What if he was a teenage girl and this man was doing this. Would you be so awkward and blase? Messed up.

WithANameLikeDaniCalifornia · 19/12/2021 17:04

What the actual fuck? This makes me feel sick.
What did you say when he said he wanted to go to bed with your son? Tell him his comments aren’t appropriate. One more comment and I’d report to police.

And wtf people saying his comment about making ear bacon is cute?

SickOfRoses · 19/12/2021 17:05

The bacon comment sounds like the kind of thing I’d say to my granddaughter.

The rest of it is inappropriate at best, fucking creepy at worst. I would have started avoiding him a long time ago. I certainly wouldn’t be encouraging it by taking the child on play dates with the weird bloke next door!! Jesus OP, what are you thinking?

MadameGazelleband · 19/12/2021 17:21

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OrangutanLibrarian · 19/12/2021 17:38

I’m scared for your son. What’s it going to take for you to realise you’re not protecting your son? Why won’t you take this seriously?

whenthedoveslie · 19/12/2021 17:40

@MadameGazelleband

Curious OP, so none of the abuse horror stories have had an impact on you?

It's hard to believe your latest shit update isn't to wind us all up. You've done nothing but make excuses and light of it all. Shameful!

Get a fucking grip and stop interacting with the creepy paedo next door.

I have pondered this thread today.

The OP is either on a wind up or is a complete negligent idiot.

I'll be hiding this thread now because I am appalled by this poster - if indeed she is for real.

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