To hate working with women

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I am a feminist and I think women are incredible. I am proud at all we achieve, having babies, periods, going through the menopause, the constant harassment, fear of violence, discrimination, sexism... the list goes on.
HOWEVER I find it incredibly difficult to work in all female teams. I have nearly always worked in all female environments in entry level jobs.
The bitchiness is unreal. Everyday comments lead to tears, meltdowns, refusal to come in. This has happened in every single workplace. The only place I haven't had this is in a shop where it was mostly men and other (quite mature) women. Oh and one place where we were all different nationalities, is cattiness a British thing?
It just takes so much time and effort navigating the various rifts, arguments, feuds and rivalries. I honestly think we'd rule the world if we could get rid of this shit.
I'm quite matter of fact and get frustrated that this taking up so much time!

Hi EightWheel...Girl. Looking like a duck, I see. I remember you too, on the thread about a woman whose husband complained she'd let herself go, purely so you could tell us it's so much easier for women to shed fat than for men to build muscle, and therefore women have no excuse but men, oh the poor weedy men. Coupled with using "females" when you meant "women". Convincing stuff.

You know we can see your other posts?
My contribution to your thread was sexual harassment driving women out of the workplace. You didnt have much to say on the subject, or why its still an issue for women in 2021.

I work in an all-female team now. It's brilliant. Nicest working environment I've ever been part of and far, far less bitchy and tense than the male dominated offices I have worked in previously. I don't think it's because they're women, though, I think it's because they're all nice people and we all get treated extremely well by our workplace generally, which fosters good feeling. The bitchy workplaces I've been at previously it's been less to do with the sex of the people working there and more to do with a toxic work environment/management culture fostering bad attitudes and an unpleasant atmosphere, also one twat within a group, male or female, can do a lot of damage to the general atmosphere/harmony.

@EightWheelGirl

The problem with feminists like Kaneloa is that they actually do women no favours, because when women are empowered there's nothing for them to moan about which gives them the hump.

Like when I started a thread about women doing 'male' jobs (like I do) and they were falling over themselves to find reasons why women can't do xyz.

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So I empower women, which is wrong, because women should be doing male jobs like you but people fall over themselves to say they can’t? What are you talking about?

What ‘male’ job do you do? Penis model? Calvin Klein boxer short tester? Reddit incel?

What ‘male’ job do you do? Penis model? Calvin Klein boxer short tester? Reddit incel?

I work with mostly men. All of my bosses are men, as are all my line reports. I've been managed by, and managed women in the past. No difference. I prefer the unspoken camaraderie of working with women personally but that's neither here nor there. Either sex in my experience are capable of any and all of the varieties of being amazing co-workers or total twats.

I really enjoy working in an all female team! We are all helpful and considerate to each other! I even had 2 female bosses during my time and I loved it!

So I empower women, which is wrong, because women should be doing male jobs like you but people fall over themselves to say they can’t? What are you talking about?

I don't mean there's nothing for the empowered women to moan about. I mean there's nothing for feminists to moan about when women are empowered. Don't flatter yourself.

on the thread about a woman whose husband complained she'd let herself go, purely so you could tell us it's so much easier for women to shed fat than for men to build muscle

Except as usual you're omitting the context, which was people turning it into a battle of the sexes and moaning about how much harder women have it in terms of looking good. I pointed out that the 'ideal male physique' is actually much harder to achieve than a good female figure, because it involves building loads of muscle and body symmetry rather than just being slim. Women dont worry about whether their rear delts are lagging behind their front delts etc.

At least I'm actually getting out there and walking the walk. How is reading feminist theory and taking a course in gender studies actually going to increase the number of women studying stem subjects or working in construction? It's mostly hot air.

UK feminists are the ones raising millions of pounds and going to court and getting called bad words by angry men. Not the ones taking 'gender studies', or complaining online and thinking thats activism.

I find men are more direct, if there's an issue they'll be up front and say so where as a lot of women bitch about it behind people's backs. I think 1 issue is some women don't want the confrontation so instead moan to their mates

You’re not walking the walk by worshipping men and insisting women are awful.

It’s a type of internalised misogyny. By criticising other women as a whole, you’re separating yourself from them. You’re saying ‘oh women are so xyz but not me! I’m different! You can treat me well, I’m not like all those women, I’m worthy of being an equal.’

It’s a really sad and problematic world view really. Even suggesting that working in a ‘male’ job is somehow ‘walking the walk,’ like it has more value than any other job because you associate it with men.

Yano maybe feminists could rebrand themselves as 'gender consultants'. Then they could stand around talking about 'the problem' and telling other people what needs done. 😂

"This 'ere patriarchy. Somebody needs to do something about it I tell thee!"

Women getting raped in prison is just so hilarious. Feminists ought to do something about it.
fairplayforwomen.com/campaigns/prisons/

Men using BDSM as an excuse for murder. Where are the feminists? Why don't they do something about it?
wecantconsenttothis.uk/

Even suggesting that working in a ‘male’ job is somehow ‘walking the walk,’ like it has more value than any other job because you associate it with men.

I've no doubt my former office job was viewed as more desirable by the majority of people. But the majority in this country are fat people who like to sit in chairs.

When I say 'walking the walk', I'm talking about actually doing what you want to see. Doing a gender studies course isn't going to help further any desire to see more women in STEM subjects unless its now been reclassified as Gender Science which wouldn't surprise me at all.

The bitchiest, most underhanded, backstabbing people I have ever worked with are men in their 50s.

Never had an issue with women. Plenty of issues with men, that may be the industry I am in though (think 'Boys Club')

Not my experience at all. If I had the choice I would work in all-female teams every time

[quote Thelnebriati]Women getting raped in prison is just so hilarious. Feminists ought to do something about it.
fairplayforwomen.com/campaigns/prisons/[/quote]
And how does moaning about how unfair it is that women have to put on makeup help these kind of campaigns?

I have worked for decades with mostly women, or all women. I've found that, quite often, there is one person who considers herself "very upfront and honest," but who is actually a jerk, who flavors the reactions of the entire group. Almost every group, no matter what the gender nakeup has this person. Who is it on the teams you have been working with?

I agree, I have worked with some management groups that were mainly women & give me a group of men every day. I would rather be managed by a man as well.

Women at work are exactly like men at work - some nice and supportive, some really not - I really a object to the "women /girls are bitchy" trope, it is sexist and demeaning - men can also be mean and gossipy, women can be cool, calm and professional - I don't agree with you at all tbh

Yes I find when teams are female heavy there is a lot of bitchiness , men are much easier to work with

OP…. This has also been my experience. Worked in office roles both junior and senior all my working life. Total bitches for the predominant part. I now work in a very small company with a balance of men and women (all middle aged plus women I might add) and it’s so much more pleasant. I’m also the only person in the office, running it alongside a female MD/owner. She would also agree with your sentiment.

I only found this working when I was a teen and the majority of employees were other female teens, filtered out with age and different career paths. Some of the worst working environments for female bitchiness were sales/front of house like I said with other teen employees and an older female lead. As I grew and gained my qualifications this stopped. I always put it down to youth ignorance and a super imposed game of who's the best. I definitely don't think it's confined to the uk, just immature women or indeed men who feel they have something to prove 🤷🏻‍♀️

Also as a side note, if you ever needed proof of in fighting, bitchiness or backstabbing all you have to do is read to the end of these comments and witness it first hand. All women commenting all turning against one another, going off tangent and getting personal pretty much proving OPs point. Just a random observation