To hate working with women

[HousethatChunkbuilt]

I am a feminist and I think women are incredible. I am proud at all we achieve, having babies, periods, going through the menopause, the constant harassment, fear of violence, discrimination, sexism... the list goes on.
HOWEVER I find it incredibly difficult to work in all female teams. I have nearly always worked in all female environments in entry level jobs.
The bitchiness is unreal. Everyday comments lead to tears, meltdowns, refusal to come in. This has happened in every single workplace. The only place I haven't had this is in a shop where it was mostly men and other (quite mature) women. Oh and one place where we were all different nationalities, is cattiness a British thing?
It just takes so much time and effort navigating the various rifts, arguments, feuds and rivalries. I honestly think we'd rule the world if we could get rid of this shit.
I'm quite matter of fact and get frustrated that this taking up so much time!

I dunno, I’ve never experienced this, but I think you just need to switch job environments. Are the people you work with just thick, or unhappy, or both??

I don’t mind all female teams at all but I suspect I work in a different kind of environment. If you are working in the kind of job people don’t tend to enjoy, perhaps a mixed sex team would be more relaxed.

People doing that sort of shit wouldn't last 5 minutes where I work (mostly female).

I think you've just been unlucky OP.

Haven't read the responses, yanbu, I've experienced this on a professional level. I'd rather work with 100 men than 100 women, any day. I was also bullied by my manager, a woman only a couple of years older than me.
Women have too many faces, sides, layers, if you will. Men, you can read them easily. They are simpler creatures!
I'm also a feminist.
I think a working team of women needs to be 'diluted' with some men. I hope I'm making sense, it's hard to explain.

I know exactly what you mean - I work in a mainly female environment and we all get on great, but, when one woman gets a bee in her bonnet it becomes really bad with bitching and what I would describe as “playground games” it got better for us when, strangely and I don’t know why this is, we employed one single male to carry out one of our roles, he seemed to change the dynamic on some way… now we have two men and things are better again. I can’t explain the mentality behind it or the psychology as to why the women change when a man is in the world lace but it was certainly helpful to us, there was a visible shift. Personally I prefer working with men, but I’m not really sure why that is, just a personal preference, however, sadly in my field men are in short supply.

Clearly you are the problem not the workplace! Feminists get on my nerves 😬

I’ve only ever worked in one all-women environment, a Christmas temporary job in a high street jewellery shop when I was a student.

It was horrendous. The ‘girls’ were vacuous, bitchy and cliquey. They were all obsessed with their appearances, the value of the jewellery they owned and the next ‘piece’ they could persuade their boyfriends to buy for them. When they found out I was doing a science degree, they called me a boffin, and when they realised I didn’t entirely share their superficial materialistic values, they ostracised me.

Since those days, I have always preferred the balance of working in a mixed environment. I like talking to the women about all manner of stuff, but as a big sports fan I also enjoy the banter with the lads about football, cricket etc.

I find some women hard work, they create problems and drama. They take offence at nothing but never tell you so you can’t even put it right. Men don’t do this as much. It could be that women are socialised to be “nice” so all the “not nice” stuff is never allowed to be said openly

I have always worked in a mainly male dominated profession. I have seen all the negative things you have mentioned amongst males. I have also encountered sexism, racism and homophobia and also outright bullying. I think you can change your working with women to working with anyone. Some people just aren't very nice.

I wonder if it’s related to the fact that until relatively recently in human history men would resolve things by fighting. Well, they still do tbh but I’m talking about man on man rather than wars. This approach is less conducive to bitching and sniping and the passive aggressive behaviour you see in some women.

It’s interesting how alpha females tend to be the bitchiest (queen bee syndrome) but with men the alpha types seem to be more head on and less involved in backstabbing etc. I’m generalising of course.

Pinched from an old thread about exactly the same thing….

Women dislike having a female boss at work even more than men do, a new study has revealed.

Nearly 40 per cent of female workers in America would rather be led by a man, a Gallup survey found.

In contrast, just 26 per cent of men would prefer a male boss.

^www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2797279/women-dislike-having-female-boss-workplace-men-study-finds.html^

CBS Local — A survey by MSN found that both men and women prefer to work with men rather than women in the workplace. The survey is believed to be as accurate as a scientific poll. Nearly 500,000 people supplied answers.

MSN found that 20 percent of men and 21 percent of women preferred to work with men, compared to just 6 percent of each men and women preferring to work with women.

^minnesota.cbslocal.com/2017/08/04/men-women-work-study/amp/^

A study found two women are less likely to cooperate than two men when one is more powerful than the other.

Similarly, two females of different rank are less likely to work together than a man and a woman.

The finding contradicts the widely held belief that women’s nurturing nature makes it natural for them to help each other out, while men are too competitive to have time for each other.

Harvard University researcher Joyce Benenson, one of the study’s authors, said that women’s instinctive distrust of females in power may make it more difficult for them to scale the career ladder.

^www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2572235/Women-HATE-office-Females-operate-better-male-bosses-study-finds.html^

It seems women are even less keen than men to work with other women!

@HousethatChunkbuilt

There's enough people who share my experience to know that I'm not alone in thinking this. My mum generally has no interest in other peoples business and is staggered by the stuff that goes on in her workplace. People not wanting to sign a maternity card because so and so didn't cover her shift on reception in 2005. Stuff like that. This may happen with men too. It's not been my experience (because some men generally aren't observant enough to notice who is being passive aggressive).

Men definitely do that too.

The phrase ‘ pick me girl’ comes to mind you should be supporting your colleagues and creating a positive workspace

We’re defo much more passive aggressive than men.

I only ever worked with team of men, I am the only female in my current team of ten and I am quiet and not the most confident, men tend to be much more confident with their abilities and good at blowing their own trumpet, I spend half an hour everyday just to listen to most of them on Teams bragging how important their daily tasks are, I honestly don't know whether this meant to be a competition. I always feel I have to be twice as good before someone will notice it, because it is stereotypical that women aren't good at what we do.

I hate it a lot some days that I could cry.

Sadly this was my experience, too. Newspapers. Maybe too few women there back in the day to support each other. So all got rather nasty.

@Worstyear2020

I only ever worked with team of men, I am the only female in my current team of ten and I am quiet and not the most confident, men tend to be much more confident with their abilities and good at blowing their own trumpet, I spend half an hour everyday just to listen to most of them on Teams bragging how important their daily tasks are, I honestly don't know whether this meant to be a competition. I always feel I have to be twice as good before someone will notice it, because it is stereotypical that women aren't good at what we do.

I hate it a lot some days that I could cry.

This is probably them attempting to demonstrate their value to the business. Nobody wants to say "yeah, I'm working on a few relatively unimportant projects which probs won't add much value."

You will have to be twice as good for somebody to notice if you don't blow your own trumpet.

I find men easier to work for and women easier to work with.

[quote EightWheelGirl]Pinched from an old thread about exactly the same thing….

Women dislike having a female boss at work even more than men do, a new study has revealed.

Nearly 40 per cent of female workers in America would rather be led by a man, a Gallup survey found.

In contrast, just 26 per cent of men would prefer a male boss.

^www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2797279/women-dislike-having-female-boss-workplace-men-study-finds.html^

CBS Local — A survey by MSN found that both men and women prefer to work with men rather than women in the workplace. The survey is believed to be as accurate as a scientific poll. Nearly 500,000 people supplied answers.

MSN found that 20 percent of men and 21 percent of women preferred to work with men, compared to just 6 percent of each men and women preferring to work with women.

^minnesota.cbslocal.com/2017/08/04/men-women-work-study/amp/^

A study found two women are less likely to cooperate than two men when one is more powerful than the other.

Similarly, two females of different rank are less likely to work together than a man and a woman.

The finding contradicts the widely held belief that women’s nurturing nature makes it natural for them to help each other out, while men are too competitive to have time for each other.

Harvard University researcher Joyce Benenson, one of the study’s authors, said that women’s instinctive distrust of females in power may make it more difficult for them to scale the career ladder.

^www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2572235/Women-HATE-office-Females-operate-better-male-bosses-study-finds.html^[/quote]
I remember that thread. The one where you enjoyed bringing a bunch of ‘fat women’ donuts because you knew they would need to apologise.

Every time I see you you’re spewing some misogynistic nonsense or talking about your ‘respectable arse’ so it’s no surprise you don’t like working with women - you’re a misogynist.

Need to be polite sorry. Not sure why it corrected to apologise.

Point is, someone like you won’t enjoy working with women because you’re too busy insisting that their all bitches and passive aggressive and jealous and men are so easy to work with etc. So you’re going into it desperate to hate them.

My stalker has arrived. 😂

Nope, we just show up on lots of the same threads because you make a beeline for any thread where you can tell everyone how much you hate women.

And I tend to show up because I think it’s embarrassing to see a woman who hates women so much.

Maybe you should have a , Kaneloa.

The problem with feminists like Kaneloa is that they actually do women no favours, because when women are empowered there's nothing for them to moan about which gives them the hump.

Like when I started a thread about women doing 'male' jobs (like I do) and they were falling over themselves to find reasons why women can't do xyz.