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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To want to become a single mother by choice?

531 replies

Eversograteful · 14/12/2021 02:49

I have made up my mind that I 100% do not want to get married. Ever. Even after kids.

My reasons:

  • I’m well educated. So don’t need to rely on anyone else for income.
  • I have savings and I’m saving up enough to buy a house and get a mortgage which will be 100% mine (then passed on to my kids later).
  • I’m planning on living off my savings for maternity leave then returning to work after 6 months to one year.

My other, more emotional reasons for not wanting marriage:

  • it’s patriarchal, marriage was designed by men to control woman’s sexuality (my opinion)
  • I don’t like the idea of becoming a “Mrs” some else’s last name
  • I find the idea of marriage in general sexist especially the part about changing your name
  • I find weddings a mixture of boring (for everyone else), cringy (for me) and expensive and I’m not prepared to waste £20,000 on one day when I could be saving up for a house deposit with that
  • I don’t like the idea of your entire identity being deleted forever and getting deleted for a man’s identity

I just don’t like anything about marriage, couldn’t care less about being protected and I don’t care about having to work by myself and for myself to build up wealth for my children. Honestly, I’d be quite prepared to become a single mother by choice as I feel it’d almost be easier as

  • I could parent the way that I want
  • I could sleep how I want and feel rested and relaxed during baby stage without being distracted by my husband and dealing with relationship issues
  • I don’t want to deal with relationship problems, I want to parent + focus on my work and paying the bills
  • I get to make parenting decisions by myself
Single mothers have spoken about how much easier it is not to consult anyone else and just do things

I don’t have kids of my own (yet) but I’ve been yearning for my own family (children only) since I was sixteen - I even have the names picked out!. Strangely I’ve always been turned off by marriage since I was a child (even though my parents are married). It’s only recently I’ve decided it’s something I definitely do not want.

AIBU for dreaming about having children on my own?

OP posts:
xmasfairy21 · 14/12/2021 07:33

Don't do it

Kids need fathers, there is a lot of detriment from not having a father for both genders. Personally I don't think women should have the right to remove fathers from their children by choice unless father is abusive, unwell etc

All the single parents I know are: exhausted, stressed (24/7 job with no rest), poorer (no bill split), often stuck and having to cash in favours that they then have to repay, generally homes in poorer repair (less money/ time)

The kids of these families are all quite aware that they're poorer than others; that they get less; that mum is stressed or unwell a lot.

None of them are grateful, some are already v resentful (age 11+) mum deliberately deprived them of a dad and a materially richer life.

Don't think your kids will want a single parent. I've never met a child that did. Prepare to deal with that anger.

Justsotirednow · 14/12/2021 07:34

Very odd comments here.
I think OP is surprisingly open-minded about men.
Most women insists on keeping on rose tintin glasses on when it comes to men.

Malteser71 · 14/12/2021 07:34

I was deliberately deprived of a father, and I agree with Xmas fairy’s points.

TheDuchessOfMN · 14/12/2021 07:35

I’ve lost count of the times you’ve said “I, me, my”. Not once have you given any consideration for the child growing up with one parent not present in their life.

Aside from that, there have been many times through the years that I’ve rang my DH in floods of tears.
With respect, you have no idea of what being a parent means. Nobody does until they have them. And then they think the baby stage is the hardest and things will get easier. It doesn’t.

Ansjovis · 14/12/2021 07:38

There's been a lot said on your views about what motherhood will be like so I will take a different angle. My mother decided for me that my father would not be important to me in any way, shape or form. She was wrong. Our relationship has not and will never recover from this.

I mean you could have a child and get a "the two of us against the world" scenario, or you could end up with an angry kid-turned-adult like me who has literally nothing to represent 50% of her DNA. It's one thing to end up a single parent due to unforeseen circumstances (and I have zero judgment for anyone in that position just to be clear) but to intentionally become a single parent is just... if I were to post exactly what I feel about that this post would probably get deleted so I'll leave it there.

LynetteScavo · 14/12/2021 07:39

  • I’m well educated. So don’t need to rely on anyone else for income. It's much more secure to have two incomes but live so you're only relying on one.
  • I have savings and I’m saving up enough to buy a house and get a mortgage which will be 100% mine (then passed on to my kids later). It's good that you have savings, even better if you have a DH with savings - more security for you both.
  • it’s patriarchal, marriage was designed by men to control woman’s sexuality (my opinion)^ My opinion is that it was invented to protect women^
  • I don’t like the idea of becoming a “Mrs” some else’s last name Keep your own name then
  • I find the idea of marriage in general sexist especially the part about changing your name See above
  • I find weddings a mixture of boring (for everyone else), cringy (for me) and expensive and I’m not prepared to waste £20,000 on one day when I could be saving up for a house deposit with that Don't have a bug wedding then, just pop down the registry office
  • I don’t like the idea of your entire identity being deleted forever and getting deleted for a man’s identity Just keep your name Hmm
  • I could parent the way that I want ^ I parent exactly how I want to, DH and I agree entirely how to parent, although he was surprised I didn't allow guns or war toys he rolled with it and understood why.^
  • I could sleep how I want and feel rested and relaxed during baby stage without being distracted by my husband and dealing with relationship issues This is actually funnyGrin
  • I don’t want to deal with relationship problems, I want to parent + focus on my work and paying the bills This would happen if you had the right partner
  • I get to make parenting decisions by myself^ Sometimes it's good to have back up -^ especially in the teenage years. DH has been amazing at parenting our teen boys when I just wouldn't have had a clue

Single mothers have spoken about how much easier it is not to consult anyone else and just do things It depends who you're dealing with; a partner or a man child

I don’t have kids of my own (yet) but I’ve been yearning for my own family (children only) since I was sixteen - I even have the names picked out!. Strangely I’ve always been turned off by marriage since I was a child (even though my parents are married). It’s only recently I’ve decided it’s something I definitely do not want. Well you can't marry the ideal partner if you haven't met them yet

AIBU for dreaming about having children on my own?^ You're being foolish to think raising children alone is easier than raising them with a decent partner. There have been times when I was exhausted or miserable or unemployed that having a DH has been a life saver. I totally respect my single parent friends because being a single parent is tough. Being in a shut relationship is shit. You seem to be confusing the two things.

^
OP, I would have had children alone if I hadn't found the right DH, but I would have been under no illusion it's the easier option to being in a good relationship. In think you need some therapy for yourself and to work on your adult relationships before having children and building a relationship with them. I think if you could come to resent having - in the same way you anticipate resenting a DH.

LaurenKelsey · 14/12/2021 07:40

OP, I don’t think YABU at all. Everyone is different and you know yourself better than anyone else does.

I am one of those who would have been better off with children and no husband IF I could have afforded it. If you can, that’s your decision to make. I know from experience that a pre-determined path of marriage then motherhood isn’t right for everyone.

Most of my friends are married and say they envy my living alone (children all grown). I must say I feel happier on my own. I’ve always been very independent.

If you can afford to raise children on your own, there isn’t any reason not to.

Nietzschethehiker · 14/12/2021 07:40

I think firstly that you have a right to your choices in life of course and your opinions. I know far too many brilliant single mums to be silly enough to think that the male influence is an absolute requirement for good parenting.

However you are making these decisions out of breathtaking naivety.

Yes single mums (and I have been one) are absolutely able to fully parent. You are unintentionally belittling how brutally hard it can be on them. You describe it as a relaxed utopia and you are kidding yourself.

Having a child is an exhaustion you clearly have no concept of. As a single parent it is completely relentless. As wonderful as your dc are unless you have in reality run under the constant stress the sleep deprivation, the responsibility you have absolutely no idea how hard it is. Even the good sleepers it's not a picnic.

Not to mention the mental load as a single parent. Don't underestimate the pressure of it being entirely on you for all parenting decisions and responsibilities. Family and friends ar egret but you are being naive to think they can take a parenting role. Knowing you are responsible for bringing that child up as a decent human, protecting their emotional, mental and physical health until they are old enough to do so is not a game. It's not a thought exercise. It's real and hard and messy. You clearly have no concept of what it really entails.

I suspect your post is naive but frankly it's bordering on arrogance. Don't dismiss the herculean effort most single parents put in.

You also have made some massive assumptions about relationships which I have to assume come from some level of bad experience but what you have described is an abusive relationship. That's a big difference to a non abusive one.

Even with my Exdh and certainly with my DP half of those things would not happen in a million years. A man expecting random sexual servicing at your expense is an abusive relationship so yes of course avoid those if you are able to. I assue you that's not all relationships.

Ultimately you can do what you wish but your decisions are being made on hugely flawed assumptions that mostly bear no connection to reality.
You are being incredibly naive and have no understanding of the reality of having DC. I have walked out of a marriage and became a single parent but I did it with my eyes wide open, and made adult decisions

Truthfully this reads like playing at being an adult and guessing what it's like.

SunshineInMyTea · 14/12/2021 07:40

To PP: There is no ”right one/man”.

Father isin’t a necessary.

Most of my friends had single mom parent, they are fine.

I had mine, wish I didn’t.

It’s really not that black and white.

To have some positivity in this judmental thread: Good luck OP!

LynetteScavo · 14/12/2021 07:40

It would also be nice to have a baby without someone pestering me for sex afterwards and making me feel guilty when I’m not ready for it.

This isn't something decent men do!

Guacamole001 · 14/12/2021 07:44

Not into the comment by somebody who said they are better parents for having a relationship.

cherrypie66 · 14/12/2021 07:46

You have no clue yet how hard having a baby is If you have family support then you will be ok. If you are completely on your own you will struggle massively

nahnahna · 14/12/2021 07:47

I think there are a lot of good points in your post about looking at negative things men do in child rearing towards women.

But you are forgetting about the child, it is ideal for children to have both parents involved and in my experience my ex not being a fully involved parent has caused self esteem issues in my son.

I was a single parent and it was not easy or relaxing by any stretch of the imagination and it wasn't to do with money. It was to do with the lack of emotional support from a partner.

Guacamole001 · 14/12/2021 07:47

I dont know any exhausted single parents either or in poverty. Most have had good jobs an ex to help and a supportive family.

ManicPixie · 14/12/2021 07:48

You’re painting a picture of a really awful relationship to justify not being in it.

Nothing against single mothers, I was raised by one, but actively deciding to have a child with no father/second parent in their life is definitely a huge undertaking and not a route I’d advocate if the they can be around to help.

NdujaWannaDance · 14/12/2021 07:49

- I’m well educated. So don’t need to rely on anyone else for income.

It's not just about the size of your income though. If you fell ill with something serious and chronic and could no longer work you'd go from hero to zero very quickly on that score. Besides, parenting is about so much more than having sufficient money. In my opinion a parent who has a decent career with a good income cannot do both jobs as well as they could do, without quite a bit of support. You either slacken off in your job or your slacken off in your parenting. Unless you have someone to share the burden equally you can't be absolutely great at both. You just can't.

Think about what it means for a child to spend the majority of its waking hours in some form of childcare, being dragged out of bed really early every day so you can rush them out of the house in time for the office, then home really late because you can't pick them up until 6. then in childcare every school holiday. Never managing to have play dates because it doesn't suit your schedule. This is the reality for lots of kids with two working parents, but between them they manage.With just one parent it's very very hard, and you will never get a break between work and parenting. Don't kid yourself it's going to be easier - it won't.

It won't be a bed of roses for the child either. Some women have no choice though. They didn't go into it thinking they'd end up alone.

*- I have savings and I’m saving up enough to buy a house and get a mortgage which will be 100% mine (then passed on to my kids later).

  • I’m planning on living off my savings for maternity leave then returning to work after 6 months to one year.*

Well great, but that's a reason why it will be financially easier, not a reason why you should do it.

- it’s patriarchal, marriage was designed by men to control woman’s sexuality (my opinion)

And why would they want to do that, do you suppose? Might it be because it's a good idea for all children to be supported by two parents, because in days or yore one of them needed to work and put food on the table while the mother was tied to the house for years at a time between pregnancies, childbirth recovery, breastfeeding then child rearing? Because before birth control that was the reality for human beings. Someone had to be held accountable and take responsibilty for all the other stuff, and why would you want to do that if you couldn't even be sure you were the father of the child? That was also the reality for human beings before birth control. Marriage existed for good reason. The stigma of having a child out of wedlock existed for a reason.

- I don’t like the idea of becoming a “Mrs” some else’s last name

You don't have to. Millions of women never take their husband's name.

- I find the idea of marriage in general sexist especially the part about changing your name

Yes I suppose it is quite a sexist tradition. But again, it's rooted in the father 'owning' his responsibilities to support his own offspring and supporting the woman who has compromised herself by bearing children. Luckily there is no pressure or expectation to take his name these days.

- I find weddings a mixture of boring (for everyone else), cringy (for me) and expensive and I’m not prepared to waste £20,000 on one day when I could be saving up for a house deposit with that

You don't have to have a large, expensive and theatrical wedding to be married. You can do it in twenty minutes with 2 witnesses for the cost of the licence, but I'm sure you already know that.

- I don’t like the idea of your entire identity being deleted forever and getting deleted for a man’s identity

Well that's nonsense and just doesn't happen. It may still happen in some very backward thinking cultures but it doesn't happen here, now. If anything, you are far more likely to lose any identity you had through motherhood. Many a woman has asked herself after 20 years of parenting - 'Who AM I? I have no idea any more. I have given myself up to child rearing and now they've become more independent I'm left feeling like an empty husk of a woman with no specific purpose or identity.' Especially if they've been a SAHM.

I doubt many child free women have felt that way purely by dint of being married. But if your identity and your freedom to do what you want, when you want is really important to you then I'd think carefully about motherhood.

I just don’t like anything about marriage, couldn’t care less about being protected and I don’t care about having to work by myself and for myself to build up wealth for my children.

I don't think it's going to be quite as easy as you think it is, spinning all those plates alone. Plenty of women decide to do it, and it strikes me that all they do is moan about how hard it is, and how exhausted they are all the time, with no-one to take up the slack. And it can be lonely. You aren't free to do as you wish socially but you don't have the comfort and company of a partner at home either.

Well they can't say they weren't warned, I'm sure.

Honestly, I’d be quite prepared to become a single mother by choice as I feel it’d almost be easier as

- I could parent the way that I want Yes. you could. This is the first thing you've said that I can't find an argument against. I'm not sure it's worth all the downsides just for that though.

- I could sleep how I want and feel rested and relaxed during baby stage without being distracted by my husband and dealing with relationship issues

Haha. Hahahahahahaha. The idea that you'll get more sleep as an unsupported single parent than less, is naive and completely hilarious. You'll get no downtime ever, with no father around (either in a partnership or co-parenting as two single parents) to give you the odd day or weekend to yourself, or to share the night feeds or just so you can even go to the loo or have a bath in peace, or nip out to the shop or without having to drag the child with you. That won't happen for years. YEARS. Think about it.

- I don’t want to deal with relationship problems, I want to parent + focus on my work and paying the bills

That's fair enough - perhaps your experience of relationships so far is that they are always fraught with problems. Not everyone's is. Some people have very happy relationships. It seems you have a very negative view of relationships.

Or perhaps you've never actually had any meaningful relationships, so you have covered your disappointment about this by convincing yourself they aren't worth the hassle anyway?

- I get to make parenting decisions by myself

Well you do, assuming the child's father came out of a turkey baster and he has absolutely no involvement whatsoever. But that isn't always fair on the child. It's selfish and short sighted to think that it won't matter to that child in the future. Many children suffer hugely for never knowing who their birth parents are, or knowing but not having a relationship with them. It's not for you to assume it won't be an issue for them. You don't know.

Single mothers have spoken about how much easier it is not to consult anyone else and just do things

Single mothers who aren't necessarily single by choice will say all sorts of things to convince themselves that they are better off without their child's father than with him. And unless the fathers are completely out of the picture, or were sperm doners, women don't always have the ability to make every decision unilaterally.

You seem to assume that there will always be conflict and difference of opinion in every joint decision that needs taking in a partnership. That's not most people's experience of marriage nor of healthy, happy co-parenting.

I don’t have kids of my own (yet) but I’ve been yearning for my own family (children only) since I was sixteen - I even have the names picked out!

How old are you now and what's your relationship history like?

Strangely I’ve always been turned off by marriage since I was a child (even though my parents are married). It’s only recently I’ve decided it’s something I definitely do not want.

Is it marriage alone that turns you off, or committed long term relationships as well?

I know several couples who have co-habited and co-parented very happily for many years, both agreeing that marriage was an unnecessary social construct. Until they got to middle age and started to think about the complications of one of them dying, leaving the other unprotected in law. So they got married in small ceromonies without much fuss. There is a reason marriage exists. It's a legal contract that offers protection. It's not merely a romantic/religious circus.

So how are you planning on getting PG? Who is the lucky sperm doner?

Generalpost · 14/12/2021 07:50

I kind of get where your coming from. I have never lived with my partner. We do have children together though. Although I love him I could not live with him I feel much more content on my own. I recently had some stuff going on and told him I needed a break. So not seen much of him apart from when he picks the kids up . As I said I do love him but sometimes it just feels like another set of pressure.

ChrissyPlummer · 14/12/2021 07:50

Why would you need to spend £20k? It’s not compulsory to have a massive insta-worthy wedding. You can do it at the registry office with just you and some witnesses.

hettie · 14/12/2021 07:52

I'm sorry you've never witnessed good relationships or been around people who are kind, fair and balanced to one another. If you're getting all your info about child rearing and marriage from online messaging boards then you'll get a very skewed picture. People mostly come to sites like Mumsnet for advice when things are shit (or for baby names and dog training/baking tips 😊). No one comes here to tell other people who are struggling about their fantastic partner...
Having said that I was once a bit like you. I didn't want to get married, absolutely adamant right into my late 20's. I didn't want kids either. I didn't want tying down, being forced into a role I didn't want, I didn't want to subsume my identity etc (was and am a feminist, so you know fuck the patriarchy and all that). But I met an amazing man..... He has made my life richer and I have in partnership wth him grown and have had a better life than I could have had without him. He wanted to get married and it mattered to him, he wanted me to think really what it would be like to have kids with him rather than some archetypal cockwomble that I had imagined in my head. He was right (annoyingly he is often right, but so am I so you know we'd drive you nuts with our smug marrriedness) . He's supported me through the early death of a parent, horrible pregnancy loss, the sleep sapping early years, a career change, a doctorate and the frustrations of the vestiges of the male privilege that play out in senior spaces in most work places. I should add he would have his own list for what I've done for him. We are a team and together we are better than alone. More than that though don't underestimate the power of love, The kind of steady unshowy unflashy (no 30k weddings involved) love that nourishes and carries you through, that you can rely on and is such a gift. I have it and my children have it and our worlds are infinitely better for it. You'd be a fool to not at least try to be open to that... Lots of people find it hard because they can't trust in it or in others, but you know you could spend some of that cash getting some decent therapy to figure out why... It would be a sound investment of it enables you to find the kind of relationship that many of us have.....

Icebreaker99 · 14/12/2021 07:53

Your post shouts out "me, me, me". Nothing about the emotional needs of children just "providing financially" for them.

This! You sound from your post and incredibly self centered and selfish and controlling individual. Parenting is about compromising too, much more than marriage.

I'm married but nothing changed my identity until I had a baby, you will become "so and so's" mum and your time and dreams are no longer your own, it sounds like you wouldn't cope with that.

Saltisford · 14/12/2021 07:54

So… how are you planning on creating this baby as a man is ultimately needed in some shape or form to create the baby??!? (Coming from someone who has had fertility treatment)

And… are you just going to deny the child a relationship with the father?

AnFiaRuaNua · 14/12/2021 07:54

Somebody said you havent a clue but the worst time of my life was disentangling myself from my x and setting myself up again.

If you are single parent from the get go then you have no battles to wage.

But STOP AT ONE

Capricopia · 14/12/2021 07:54

Your perception of marriage is very different to my experience of it, but I don’t think there’s anything wrong with being a single mother by choice. A friend of mine did it after being horribly jilted and she and her daughter are a very happy family.

I would think about the support you have around you though. My baby woke every hour of the night for five months straight. If I hadn’t had my husband to share nights with I think I might have killed myself. Do you have someone you can call on for support if you have a non-sleeping baby?

anon12345678901 · 14/12/2021 07:55

I'm a single mum and whilst I now chose to stay a single mum, it's very hard work at times. I know you say you'd put a child into nursery/childcare, but what happens if they're sick and can't go? Or there's a problem and it cannot open? What would happen to your work? When schools closed last year, juggling a full time job and home schooling was really tricky. I think you're under estimating how hard it could be. Children are great, but they can be really hard work at times. And that's true for any parent, but I think it's easier for those in relationships as they have someone to share the load.

Helpstopthepain · 14/12/2021 07:55

I understand some of your ideas (although some are quit naive) but what about the child having a father?
Do you have a good relationship with your dad?