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AIBU?

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To want to become a single mother by choice?

531 replies

Eversograteful · 14/12/2021 02:49

I have made up my mind that I 100% do not want to get married. Ever. Even after kids.

My reasons:

  • I’m well educated. So don’t need to rely on anyone else for income.
  • I have savings and I’m saving up enough to buy a house and get a mortgage which will be 100% mine (then passed on to my kids later).
  • I’m planning on living off my savings for maternity leave then returning to work after 6 months to one year.

My other, more emotional reasons for not wanting marriage:

  • it’s patriarchal, marriage was designed by men to control woman’s sexuality (my opinion)
  • I don’t like the idea of becoming a “Mrs” some else’s last name
  • I find the idea of marriage in general sexist especially the part about changing your name
  • I find weddings a mixture of boring (for everyone else), cringy (for me) and expensive and I’m not prepared to waste £20,000 on one day when I could be saving up for a house deposit with that
  • I don’t like the idea of your entire identity being deleted forever and getting deleted for a man’s identity

I just don’t like anything about marriage, couldn’t care less about being protected and I don’t care about having to work by myself and for myself to build up wealth for my children. Honestly, I’d be quite prepared to become a single mother by choice as I feel it’d almost be easier as

  • I could parent the way that I want
  • I could sleep how I want and feel rested and relaxed during baby stage without being distracted by my husband and dealing with relationship issues
  • I don’t want to deal with relationship problems, I want to parent + focus on my work and paying the bills
  • I get to make parenting decisions by myself
Single mothers have spoken about how much easier it is not to consult anyone else and just do things

I don’t have kids of my own (yet) but I’ve been yearning for my own family (children only) since I was sixteen - I even have the names picked out!. Strangely I’ve always been turned off by marriage since I was a child (even though my parents are married). It’s only recently I’ve decided it’s something I definitely do not want.

AIBU for dreaming about having children on my own?

OP posts:
Newrunner29 · 16/12/2021 00:28

Ive been thinking about ur post and wonderd if u was on the spectrum? I ask that kindly and i say that as i am on there myself, im waiting a diagnosis and has a child in Special school diagnosed at 2, it would make sense as to your OP, ur very rigid views on what u persieve marriage to be. Ur quite defensive on others who dont agre ,and because u seem to miss the obvious reason people get married that they enjoy connecting the bond. U dont seem to consider that or indicate that would be a want from u? If u r then people would hopefully be understanding and kind and the responses may be different.

Nat6999 · 16/12/2021 00:30

I had ds when I was married but have been a single parent since he was 6. It is hard work, the baby, toddler & young child years I could probably have done on my own but when they start with puberty it is so difficult, there is nobody there when they are kicking off & refuse to do as they are told, nobody to back you up. If you decide to go ahead, how are you going to get pregnant? Some random bloke on a one night stand or by sperm donation? It is harder than you think to get pregnant, young women are constantly told to not get themselves pregnant, but when you want to you realise how little time you are actually fertile each month, it will most likely mean having sex several times during your fertile window & probably will take several months.

AmIgoinghomeforXmas · 16/12/2021 00:33

OP has been asked several times if she is maybe not NT as it might help explain the the very rigid thinking amongst other things.

I don't think she has chosen to answer, which of course she was every right not to do.

But it means the responses can't take account of that when deciding how to answer.

AliceMcK · 16/12/2021 00:40

NRTFT

Aside from the marriage stuff you do sound very naive about being a single parent. Babysitting other people kids is nothing like having your own.

What will happen when your child/children get sick, nursery’s and schools have strict rules on allowing sick children in, they won’t be allowed in from anything from 48/72 hours after they vomit or had diarrhoea. You will have to keep them off when they get checking pox, every-time they get fevers (especially in the current climate) Do you have any idea how many times children get sick? Nursery’s are a breading ground for sickness and it’s not only the children who get sick the parents do too. Have you any idea what it’s like when an entire house gets a vomiting bug? There have been times when I’ve literally used every bedsheet and towel in the house and had to camp out on sofas because all the beds have been hit.

Then there is the number of times you get called to pick them up half way through the day. Taking time off for Drs and hospital appointments. Some nursery’s and schools won’t administer medication, can you take time off if your child needs meds during the day? School holidays, the school year is about 175 days, give or take a few days so you need to ensure you have child care for 190 days a year.

You would need to make sure that you have a very understanding employer and very good sick/family leave policy. Having support from a father is very different to family as a father has no choice but to be there to help (well in most cases) family and friends may not want to be exposed to illnesses or drop everything just to help you out.

I lost a job because I had to take time off when one of my children was sick, she’d had a bad fever, then vomiting bug, then a throat infection all one after the other. Even with DH and I splitting time off I was told I was taking too much time off to look after her (she was 3) In the end they told me to get my priorities right, work or my child, I choose my child, something I would not have been able to do as a single parent.

Then who is going to look after any children while your in hospital having more? What if there are complications and you need to stay in? What happened if you get sick or need hospital care, whose going to look after your child/children?

And worse case scenario, what happens to your child/children if you die? They will literally be orphans. If your well educated you will understand that can happen to anyone at anytime.

What if you loose your job? Being “well educated” is no guarantee you can walk from one job into another.

What about when they start school, dose your salary cover breakfast and after school clubs as well as any other costs? School uniforms are ridiculously expensive, then there are extra curricular activities.

Most single mums have a father around somewhere and they have custody arrangements in place, allowing the mum a break what the child/children are with the father or fathers family. Plus they get financial help. Granted it’s not always the case, but a lot of the time it is.

Maybe what you need to do is ask for the pros and cons of single parenting from people who have done it.

U8976532 · 16/12/2021 07:41

Strange that a woman who fulfils her own destiny and isn’t sad or desperate is considered to have something wrong with her.

OP you're coming across quite sad and desperate because you sound so out of your depth on relationships with partners and children, you're reaching to validate your own restrictive views rather than just having a dialogue and unpicking why you got to those views.

DrSbaitso · 16/12/2021 07:46

Strange that a woman who fulfils her own destiny and isn’t sad or desperate is considered to have something wrong with her.

What's beyond wrong is you seeing the care and raising of a dependent child as being all about you and your fulfilment and your destiny.

NdujaWannaDance · 16/12/2021 08:24

It doesn’t really matter what other Christians think, fact of the matter remains that Jesus was born “artificially”, outside of marriage, to an unmarried woman, without a father on this earth. I’m sure Christians would agree that if God created everything, he also created the technology to artificially impregnate a woman.

This sounds like your justification for getting PG by sperm doner and IVF just so that you never had to do any dirty sinful sex with a man because you have a phobia of it.

Paul says “a wife has no authority over her own body” “a husband has no authority over his body”. Therefore in a good marriage you exist to fulfil your husband’s sexual desires - how he likes it, when he wants it and vice versa.

Only if you insist on taking everything in the bible literally. clearly you do, and it's giving you a phobia of marriage because you already have a phobia of sex.

Are you saying that actually you want to be a single parent because you wish to remain celibate so you can remain, undistracted from God.

I think that's exactly what the OP is saying.

I’m not answering personal questions

It's okay. You don't need to now. Initially we all thought you were young and thus far boyfriendless, not necessarily by choice.

Now we all think you could be anywhere between 18 and 45 and your issue is less about marriage itself and more about a deep fear of having to do sex because you think it's sinful, revolting and scary so you've convinced yourself that the virgin birth of JC is a sign from God that it's okay for you to have your very own virgin birth via the wonders of science.

Darkpheonix · 16/12/2021 08:36

I’m sure Christians would agree that if God created everything, he also created the technology to artificially impregnate a woman

If you believe everything is a creation of God, you also believe that pedophiles are the creation of God? God created cancer and covid and HIV? And road accidents?

That all the suffering in the world is God created. Global warming? Starvation?

The vast majority of Christians I know, believe God created the world but also gave us free will. Which is why shit things happen. Because we are here and everything changes. We created IVF through freewill. Not through God

And not to recreat the immaculate conception. How odd for a Christian to try and elevate themselves to the same status as the Virgi Mary.

Eversograteful · 16/12/2021 09:31

@Darkpheonix

I’m sure Christians would agree that if God created everything, he also created the technology to artificially impregnate a woman

If you believe everything is a creation of God, you also believe that pedophiles are the creation of God? God created cancer and covid and HIV? And road accidents?

That all the suffering in the world is God created. Global warming? Starvation?

The vast majority of Christians I know, believe God created the world but also gave us free will. Which is why shit things happen. Because we are here and everything changes. We created IVF through freewill. Not through God

And not to recreat the immaculate conception. How odd for a Christian to try and elevate themselves to the same status as the Virgi Mary.

Then who created cancer? Who created covid according to you? Was it humans?

Not all Christians believe in free will.

OP posts:
Haveyoubrushedyourteethtoday · 16/12/2021 09:35

NRTFT

I think every child deserves to know and have the opportunity to have a relationship with a genetic parent (obvious disclaimers about loser parents apply).

Darkpheonix · 16/12/2021 09:39

Cancer and HIV occurred through mutation of cells/viruses.

The vast majority of Christians do believe in free will. Because how do yiu valance a god that lives us, who causes so much suffering?

It sounds slike your brand of Christianity is a very specific, unpopular version that doesn't believe in evolution etc.

Its even odder to believe in a God that harms people for no reason. And then to try and elevate yourself to their level.

That's not most Christians.

Apiddleawiddle · 16/12/2021 10:36

Op, you sound like you have had some awful experiences in life to have such hateful and bitter views on things. I certainly don't 'give myself' to my partner 😄 He doesn't 'give himself' to me either. Our responsibilities are always with the kids first and foremost. Then personal desires and it just so happens that we are both a personal desire of the other. Neither of us pester the other for sex, we are quite compatible in that sense where when he wants it, I usually do aswell. He's in total agreement with me that at the ages the kids are, sleep is so much better 99% of the time 😄 the compromising is mutual gain. If he can watch the kids then I get to go do something and vice versa. Sounds like you haven't been with someone who is compatible with you before and these experiences have made you selfish because you feel you have given and given and never had any significant gain from it. This is OK, but the bitterness and hate is not and for that, therapy could be beneficial. Not for your views, for the extremity. It's not healthy to live with such heightened negative emotions. Hate breeds hate and before you know it you hate everything and could end up discovering you actually hate being subservient to your children (I once felt I would happily sacrifice myself for my kids but turns out there are limits). I laughed so hard when you said you have babysat before. Totally not the same and very naive. It's fine to want to just be single and have a kid, you don't need to justify it. Your justifications however have shown there are deeper issues to why you feel the way you do. I wish you luck with them.

JSL52 · 16/12/2021 10:48

@Eversograteful

It’s funny if I had posted here asking for advice as a woman who had desperately wanted to have a man marry me so I could have kids and I was now considering going to the sperm bank to fulfil my dream of having my own family this thread would have taken a different turn.

Strange that a woman who fulfils her own destiny and isn’t sad or desperate is considered to have something wrong with her.

No one is saying there's anything wrong with you. You do have some naive and unusual views on marriage and babies though.
coconuthead · 16/12/2021 10:59

You seem overly defensive at anyone who poses a different point of view. What is it you actually want from this thread?

coconuthead · 16/12/2021 11:06

@SW1amp

The more you post, the more you are coming across as an angry, narcissistic know it all

If your intention was to articulate a rounded and reasoned case for why you could side step the worst aspects of a 2-parent set up by going it alone while still giving a child a stable and fulfilling upbringing, you are failing more with each post

What gets clearer from each post is that you will not contemplate any sort of self examination, let alone constructive criticism, and it’s like watching a slow motion car crash

Clearly some damage has been done to you in the past.

For the love of god, don’t pass it on to another generation because you think it’s easier to pay a sperm donor than examine your life and views

Having read some of the OPs recent comments I totally agree with this.
NdujaWannaDance · 16/12/2021 11:36

For the love of god, don’t pass it on to another generation because you think it’s easier to pay a sperm donor than examine your life and views

I agree. At the beginning of the thread I thought the OP was just a young, slightly naive woman who was desperate for a baby and didn't want to have to wait for the right man to come along.

The more the OP posts the more I am visualising the mother character in the film Carrie, hissing into her teenaged daughter's face 'Everyone can see your dirty pillows' and reading passages from the bible to her about 'Eve's sin' when she started her periods.

Frightening.

Eversograteful · 16/12/2021 11:46

@winterchills

I don't really agree with some of the points you raised regarding the marriage/wedding. However I completely agree with you wanting to be a single mother by choice. I often wish I did this as since being separated I have enjoyed being a mother alone so much
Thank you! Flowers Smile

At least a positive comment

OP posts:
Milkshake54 · 16/12/2021 11:48

Your post makes it sound like you think having a baby is easy.
It isn't 🤣

Eversograteful · 16/12/2021 12:17

@Apiddleawiddle

Op, you sound like you have had some awful experiences in life to have such hateful and bitter views on things. I certainly don't 'give myself' to my partner 😄 He doesn't 'give himself' to me either. Our responsibilities are always with the kids first and foremost. Then personal desires and it just so happens that we are both a personal desire of the other. Neither of us pester the other for sex, we are quite compatible in that sense where when he wants it, I usually do aswell. He's in total agreement with me that at the ages the kids are, sleep is so much better 99% of the time 😄 the compromising is mutual gain. If he can watch the kids then I get to go do something and vice versa. Sounds like you haven't been with someone who is compatible with you before and these experiences have made you selfish because you feel you have given and given and never had any significant gain from it. This is OK, but the bitterness and hate is not and for that, therapy could be beneficial. Not for your views, for the extremity. It's not healthy to live with such heightened negative emotions. Hate breeds hate and before you know it you hate everything and could end up discovering you actually hate being subservient to your children (I once felt I would happily sacrifice myself for my kids but turns out there are limits). I laughed so hard when you said you have babysat before. Totally not the same and very naive. It's fine to want to just be single and have a kid, you don't need to justify it. Your justifications however have shown there are deeper issues to why you feel the way you do. I wish you luck with them.
You actually seem to be very bitter and hateful. Your entire comment directed to me is dripping with hate. You’re accusing me of everything you are. So you personally don’t like to take care of your kids and it’s meant to reflect something on me? Maybe therapy would help you instead?
OP posts:
Eversograteful · 16/12/2021 12:20

@U8976532

Also intrigued as to how you would react to having a son if that happened? Considering your low opinion of men.
And I presume you don’t have a daughter? If you do, how did you react to it considering your low opinion of women?
OP posts:
U8976532 · 16/12/2021 12:23

@Eversograteful how has any of what I've said demonstrated a low opinion of women? But nice way to divert the question Hmm

sundaydayisnotmyfundayday · 16/12/2021 12:28

I mean what do I know, I'm clearly not well educated as I am married and we rely on each other financially, emotionally and whatever else-ally. That's just the nature of our marriage.

I know I could do it alone and I'm sure you will be able to as you are so obviously the expert here. Good luck with it

Sparechange · 16/12/2021 12:35

Oh OP, when you’re in a hole, stop digging!

You are sounding more childish and immature each time you post

Your ‘I know you are but what am I’ reply there is straight out of a primary playground 😂😂

Have a shred of dignity and stop now…

Eversograteful · 16/12/2021 12:35

[quote U8976532]@Eversograteful how has any of what I've said demonstrated a low opinion of women? But nice way to divert the question Hmm[/quote]
The same way any of what I've said demonstrated a low opinion of men.
Strange that you’ve decided not to answer the question I asked you.
So, how do you treat your daughter, particularly if she said she didn’t want to get married? Would you accuse her of hating men too then say she’ll probably abuse and mistreat her own son if she has one? Or are those words just saved up for me?

OP posts:
meloonhead · 16/12/2021 12:35

- I’m well educated. So don’t need to rely on anyone else for income.

This might've been done to death, not sure.

If you're well educated you won't be relying on a man anyway. Don't get why you'd want less money given the choice. And you also don't have to get married, you can have a civil partnership etc.

Most people chose this route because they're running out of time and didn't find the right person. Nutty to willingly do this, even if you have the resources.

You're really underestimating the value of having another pair of hands, and ears.

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