Why do we have to age! Depressing watching The new SATC *[Message from MNHQ: there are spoilers on this thread]

[Winterofdiscontent]

Has anyone seen the new series yet? Well, first two episodes?
Just felt a bit low watching it 🤷🏻‍♀️Eurgh, why do we have to age!

The episodes being discussed have already aired in the UK, I really don't understand all this drama about "spoiler, OMG you've ruined my life". If it's been aired, you don't need to "spoiler" it, just don't read threads about shows you haven't watched yet

Is Miranda alcoholic now?

I know Big’s ex Natasha is in upcoming episodes so I’m going to stick my neck out and say that when she split with Big she was pregnant. So he had a child that Carrie knew nothing about and the child will inherit everything. Carrie will then go back to hating him and so the grieving period will be very short lived. That makes room for her to quickly start dating other men

Or Natasha got her own back on Carrie and had her own affair with Big, perhaps in the early days of their marriage. Maybe when Carrie was being a dick with Aiden in Abu Dhabi.

I was already watching SATC from the beginning ( 2nd time this year )when AJLK began, so making myself feel better. Carrie is in the early days with Big and it's just so nostalgic. The Samantha scenes are brilliant as always.

I just can't get over how she just held him in the shower, when Big wasn't quite Dead yet
Surely her panic would have led her to try everything?! At one point, it looked like she might do Mouth to Mouth, but she decided against it?
Fair enough if he was stone cold when she found him. Just can't get over that..

Emoji big fail, sorry

Is true to character: Carrie wouldn’t be practical in an emergency, unless shoe related!

Have enjoyed the newspaper pics of Chris Noth on the peleton (looking good in the pics!) and the peleton PR response

Carrie getting embarrassed about the talk of masturbation on the podcast was nonsense. I immediately thought of Charlotte and the Rabbit. Why not just tell that story?

Given how Carrie and Big did talk extensively about their finances when they were buying a place together, and given the nature of his business, I would be highly surprised if he had not updated his will to include Carrie.

Also, I imagine he has probably left Gloria something nice, but his entire estate, doubtful.

Re. Natasha being the mother of Big junior and Carrie not knowing, I can't imagine this either. However, Natasha does appear in the series, so maybe Big did leave her something, her and Carrie's paths cross unexpectedly or maybe even Natasha contacts Carrie having heard of Big's death. Who knows, we will all find out soon.

I just don't get this need to paint Big into some kind of awful person or revenge affairs between Natasha and Big. Admittedly Big was an arsehole at the outset but he has clearly mellowed with age. Given the title 'And Just Like That refers to Big dying ('and just like that, Big died'), maybe, just like that, Carrie meets someone and realises it's time for a new love. It happens. Life can change in a heartbeat.

Oh, and to those who don't understand why Carrie didn't do anything as Big was laying there dying. Having been in a similar position with my dad, I just sat with him and held his hand (although to be fair, my dad was terminally ill anyway and would have wanted to just slip away peacefully, which he did.)

Gosh, that's a lot of words

I love the new series and don't get the criticism at all

I love the writing about ageing, the way the death was handled (he waited for her to arrive to say goodbye - that's what I think that long look was).

All the friends being useless at the funeral and trying to make it about them or jokes - so far, so normal

I like the way they handled the Samantha story line - they were showing the characters missed her.

The only bits I don't like are the 'wokeness' - utterly stupid, hope the tide turns on that soon.

And SJP and Miranda look great - if they've had work done I can't see it. Kristin Davies has gone too far.

It was so self-conscious it was painful.
The sex joke? Tick. The fact that it was about Miranda's son was irrelevant.
By the way the fact that she goes crazy seeing her son smoke dope but she doesn't mind him having very loud sex feet away from her was bizarre.
And yes to Miranda turning into a blubbering idiot- and Charlotte????
Feels like these women have frozen in time and are still stuck in the original show.

Fan service was laughable- Carrie cooing 'hello lovers' at shoes was funny when she did it mid-conversation while walking by a shoe shop.
Not so much randomly in her own house.

Worst thing was the reason given for Samantha's silence- she's not talking to Carrie because she sacked her as her publicist?
Not only is it completely against character but wasn't Samantha representing A listers? Carrie is clearly out of touch with modern zeitgeist (as seen in cringe podcast) and can't be that bankable

@Yamayo

It was so self-conscious it was painful. The sex joke? Tick. The fact that it was about Miranda's son was irrelevant. By the way the fact that she goes crazy seeing her son smoke dope but she doesn't mind him having very loud sex feet away from her was bizarre. And yes to Miranda turning into a blubbering idiot- and Charlotte???? Feels like these women have frozen in time and are still stuck in the original show.

Fan service was laughable- Carrie cooing 'hello lovers' at shoes was funny when she did it mid-conversation while walking by a shoe shop.
Not so much randomly in her own house.

Worst thing was the reason given for Samantha's silence- she's not talking to Carrie because she sacked her as her publicist?
Not only is it completely against character but wasn't Samantha representing A listers? Carrie is clearly out of touch with modern zeitgeist (as seen in cringe podcast) and can't be that bankable

Painfully self-conscious is exactly right. I cringed so hard I almost died. At one point (wanking scene) I raised my hands to the TV vainly trying to block it out while shouting "No! No!"

The original show was gritty and real; this is a caricature. Miranda was a partner in a New York law firm for 20 years, yet now all of a sudden she's a bumbling fool? The Woke podcast was horrendous and Charlotte's guilt tripping about Rose wearing the flowery dress was contrived; had she never seen her daughters style before? Stanford was the only one of the original cast who kept to his character.

I thought the writing about Samantha was vindictive. The writers obviously wanted it to be an allegory for 'we'd welcome her back but she's petty and doesn't want us'. Kim Cattrell is never coming back, so why even keep Samantha alive in the show except to criticise her? Have Samantha die in the intervening years, everyone mourned her at the time and now she's the vibrant old friend they talk about with love.

Obviously I am still going to watch the entire series, but the writing feels like just indulgent self service to SJP.

Same.
I will hate watch it.
Actually for me the only character that was true to self was Susan something (one with the grumpy husband who inherited Charlotte's dog). The one who (rightly) mentioned how much of a prick Big was to Carrie.
Also random secretary alert (of course they had to mention, at the funeral, that she insisted on being referred to as Big's secretary. We wouldn't want to offend anyone by using a non woke job title)
What was that about? Why was she so dramatically upset and annoyed she wasn't allowed front row billing?
Was she his secret lover? Meh. We probably won't see her again.

Hate watch is right. Aren't cisgender 50 ish married women the target audience? Why do they expect us to be apologetic? Fuck that.

@JanisMoplin

Hate watch is right. Aren't cisgender 50 ish married women the target audience? Why do they expect us to be apologetic? Fuck that.

You're so right. Their target audience is women in their 40s and 50s, yet the whole shtick of this new show was 'Look how out of touch and irrelevant you are. The world has changed. You're a relic. Get with the new program or be left behind and forgotten, you hag'

I was trying to put my finger on why the show made me (and the OP evidently) feel low and old; this is it. It could have been a fun show about these women we have seen on screen for 20+ years living out their lives with all the good and bad that entails, but it's almost a cringing apology for them daring to exist.

A bit Ab Fab then? Taking the piss out of the out of touch women? Yes I think that’s how it felt too.

@JanisMoplin

Great point. I’m 30 but the cigender woke crap is very off putting. I’m watching because I enjoyed the pretty offensive and fiesty original series, not to get some silly PC alternative thrown at me.

Also why why why didn’t she call 911? It was a sad scene but very annoying.

@FlowerFlour I agree. This show was always aimed at the gen x / millennial generations, but it’s almost as if they wrote the script then ran it through a “woke generator”/gen z filter because it was so tonally odd. None of it felt seamless or natural. I’m 36 and I spent most of the time rolling my eyes at the script and cringing.

The strange thing is they needed to diversify it, absolutely. But to do so in such a hamfisted way, and to bring in so much jargon terms, who exactly are they trying to appeal to? The original fans will just think WTF and why would a younger generation want to watch a show about women in their 50s? So they’ve just managed to alienate absolutely everyone!

I feel like I want to carry on watching, because I loved the original so much but I also think I’m going to hate it, so the hate watch term is probably accurate!

@ElizabethG81

The episodes being discussed have already aired in the UK, I really don't understand all this drama about "spoiler, OMG you've ruined my life". If it's been aired, you don't need to "spoiler" it, just don't read threads about shows you haven't watched yet

Couldn't give a shit really just thought others might but obviously MNHQ do.

[quote thebellagio]@FlowerFlour I agree. This show was always aimed at the gen x / millennial generations, but it’s almost as if they wrote the script then ran it through a “woke generator”/gen z filter because it was so tonally odd. None of it felt seamless or natural. I’m 36 and I spent most of the time rolling my eyes at the script and cringing.

The strange thing is they needed to diversify it, absolutely. But to do so in such a hamfisted way, and to bring in so much jargon terms, who exactly are they trying to appeal to? The original fans will just think WTF and why would a younger generation want to watch a show about women in their 50s? So they’ve just managed to alienate absolutely everyone!

I feel like I want to carry on watching, because I loved the original so much but I also think I’m going to hate it, so the hate watch term is probably accurate![/quote]
This exactly! I've now caught up and managed to watch it.

Today's Sunday Times has an interview with the lead writer Michael Patrick King, where he implies that being in your fifties is some sort of hanging offence. " Now what pits Carrie and friends against society is being in their fifties, as Parker, Nixon and Davis are. 'What do you do about vanity'? King says. 'If you are not young, what are you? Just get in a kaftan and go to Florida!"

Hey Michael, there are many of us women in our fifties who are leading full and wonderful lives without bloody going to Florida. ( He is 67, btw, but strangely nothing about the vanity of men).

What is sad is that in the original there were lots of moments suggesting that they would all grow old disgracefully and remain besties through thick and thin.
There was also a strong emphasis on age and wisdom, how being in your 20s givesyou the advantage of youth but not much more- as you get older you get better jobs, better flats, better sex and more confidence.

Fast forward 20 years and they run around like Victorian old maids, looking panicked and apologising to the world.
I'm not a Carrie fan but that podcast was ridiculous. Old Carrie would have joked about inventing masturbation.

For someone so very stylish, why was she wearing this hat at brunch?

Sad and boring. Joyless like everything because of the woke shit times we are living. Basically not entertaining but depressing.