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To think the anti-lockdown brigade have been proved right?
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Libertaire · 08/12/2021 19:34

We were told that if we all got vaccinated life would return to normal, and that process would be ‘cautious but irreversible’. So we complied. I am triple-jabbed and extremely grateful for the work of the brilliant scientists who made this possible.

Yet now, we are heading inexorably back into another lockdown. The fear mongering is being ratcheted up day by day. If this was ever about public health, it cannot be now because everyone who is vulnerable to covid has been offered at least two doses of vaccine.

We surrendered our freedoms willingly, to protect ourselves and one another and because we believed that we would get them back. But that isn’t happening, is it? An authoritarian government has confiscated them permanently and we will never get them back until we take them back, which is what anti-lockdown campaigners said from the start. They have been proved right, haven’t they?

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skeptile · 09/12/2021 01:15

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madroid · 09/12/2021 01:42

@CatAndHisKit There is info emerging from scientists that Omicron is like a cold/only mild flu - nothing dangerous

Could you link to this info please?

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Nancydrawn · 09/12/2021 02:23

Um, the actual Great Reset was about creating "green growth, smarter growth and fairer growth" through massive investment in developing countries and green technology. It was about resetting away from late stage capitalism towards a more just and verdant world. It was largely bullshit in a kind of greenwashing/justicewashing kind of way, but it was benign.

QAnon and Infowars have started a massive conspiracy theory that this is about controlling the world economy. Here is a very useful analysis: www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/04/great-reset-capitalism-became-anti-lockdown-conspiracy

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gofg · 09/12/2021 03:09

Fear is being used as a method of controlling a vaccinated population. This only ends when WE say it ends.

I don't consider wearing a mask when in shops, showing a vaccine passport now and again, and scanning into places (I'm not in the UK) means I am being "controlled".

Some of you have serious issues in my opinion.

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gofg · 09/12/2021 03:15

I can't comment about countries of which I have no experience, but venal politicians are hardly exclusive to the UK and I'd be very surprised if those elsewhere don't have something to sell to their cronies, even if it's not a state health system. Generally, where there's advantage to be taken of a population who've been deliberately frightened (see SAGE minutes) then politicians will take it

What a load of absolute rubbish. Some of us actually believe our governments have our best interests at heart (mind you, those governments are not the 'do as I say, not as I do' type as you seem to have in the UK). Why do I want to 'see SAGE minutes' - SAGE has nothing whatsoever to do with other countries?

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Cascais · 09/12/2021 03:16

@Scautish

Disagree. Not enough people vaccinated. Too many twats who think they know better than scientists. So because of them we’re back in a fucking lockdown.

Also - it’s a fucking virus and it’s just doing what viruses do. It’s quite hard to build legislation around them (though this government have been spectacularly incompetent)

most people are vaccinated
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aurynne · 09/12/2021 03:17

"Fear is being used as a method of controlling a vaccinated population. This only ends when WE say it ends"

...And this comes from the people who try to scare everyone by saying that the vaccine will kill us, that the vaccine will make us sterile, that the government are lizards and pedophiles, that the vaccine has a chip... And that is not spreading fear, right?

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skeptile · 09/12/2021 04:13

So, Nancydrawn, global digital ID systems and the emerging global digital economy are in fact 'conspiracies' - despite voluminous promotion of said ID system by Blair, Gates and the World Economic Forum. And the 'on cue' global roll out of (drum roll...) digital vaccine passports.

For our safety, of course.

Doesn't feel too 'benign' to me.

But because a 'comment is free' piece in The Guardian says so, I shouldn't worry about the primary source material.

Phew.

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arcof · 09/12/2021 04:42

I don't live in uk now (but am from the uk) and I don't understand what the end game is here. This is not going away. You surely can't face "restrictions" for ever.
While the NHS is rightly lauded, it is the reason you are faced with these draconian measures - it can't cope with the number of hospitalisations, even it would seem when vaccinations already decrease their likely number. Im relieved I live somewhere now where yes, I have to pay $35 flat rate to see a GP but can get a face to face appt that day, have free preventative care and $4 prescriptions, and $35 to see any specialist, and there are tons of hospital beds. I'm happy about this. I've had no restrictions on my movement, who I can socialise with etc at any point through this crisis. The worst part was a few months without school.
Im sure this post will go down like a lead balloon but for me, you need to rise up to reclaim your freedoms and pressure the govt to reform your health service so it can cope with the added pressures of this virus which is going to be with us probably forever.

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chaosrabbitland · 09/12/2021 04:58

@sst1234

Get real folks and stop with the ‘oh but there’s no lockdown’. A lockdown is coming. Many on MN and within general public love lockdowns.

For those that don’t like being locked down, what will you do? Serious question, will you comply?

no i wont be complying ,
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applesandoranges221 · 09/12/2021 06:01

Sadly, yes, I do think I've been proved right, and to be fair to my friends, had a few texts last night admitting this after having been patronised ALL summer about how I was paranoid and there'd never be more restrictions. We gave freedom away and it won't be coming back.

What does give me some hope this morning is the massive backlash against it - people are finally realising that the virus is here to stay and frequent lockdowns (which I note we're now referring to as plan B to avoid the L word) are simply not the answer. I'm double jabbed, soon to be triple jabbed - enough.

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Thatldo · 09/12/2021 06:08

Viruses mutate and in combination with a very incompetent bunch of clowns in government,the future for Britain does not look rosy.

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Thatldo · 09/12/2021 06:11

@arcof

I don't live in uk now (but am from the uk) and I don't understand what the end game is here. This is not going away. You surely can't face "restrictions" for ever.
While the NHS is rightly lauded, it is the reason you are faced with these draconian measures - it can't cope with the number of hospitalisations, even it would seem when vaccinations already decrease their likely number. Im relieved I live somewhere now where yes, I have to pay $35 flat rate to see a GP but can get a face to face appt that day, have free preventative care and $4 prescriptions, and $35 to see any specialist, and there are tons of hospital beds. I'm happy about this. I've had no restrictions on my movement, who I can socialise with etc at any point through this crisis. The worst part was a few months without school.
Im sure this post will go down like a lead balloon but for me, you need to rise up to reclaim your freedoms and pressure the govt to reform your health service so it can cope with the added pressures of this virus which is going to be with us probably forever.

You are so very right.I have lived in other countries,where the health service with covid is coping much better.People here just dont get it.it is because of the failing NHS( and this is absolutrly not the fault of hardworking nurses and doctors)Britain will be struggling with this for a long time or even forever.
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MarshaBradyo · 09/12/2021 06:18

I have lived in other countries,where the health service with covid is coping much better.

We’ve had high case numbers which would strain most health systems. Where are you talking about?

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rrhuth · 09/12/2021 06:46

"lockdowns (which I note we're now referring to as plan B to avoid the L word)*

We're not in a lockdown, that's why we're not calling it a lockdown Confused

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Pumperthepumper · 09/12/2021 06:46

@applesandoranges221

Sadly, yes, I do think I've been proved right, and to be fair to my friends, had a few texts last night admitting this after having been patronised ALL summer about how I was paranoid and there'd never be more restrictions. We gave freedom away and it won't be coming back.

What does give me some hope this morning is the massive backlash against it - people are finally realising that the virus is here to stay and frequent lockdowns (which I note we're now referring to as plan B to avoid the L word) are simply not the answer. I'm double jabbed, soon to be triple jabbed - enough.

All of your friends thought the pandemic was over forever? Really?
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rrhuth · 09/12/2021 06:47

[quote madroid]**@CatAndHisKit* There is info emerging from scientists that Omicron is like a cold/only mild flu - nothing dangerous*

Could you link to this info please?[/quote]
Doubt it as it is fictional.

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LuaDipa · 09/12/2021 06:47

@TulipsGarden

We're not in lockdown. If we didn't have vaccines we must definitely would be, but we're not.

Why do people think the government want lockdown? What's in it for them? It costs them vast amounts of money, pisses off the electorate, it's a nightmare.

This. Like it or not, the vaccine programme has saved thousands of lives and allowed us to live normally over the past 6 month, albeit with some increased precautions when travelling. The last thing the government wants is increased restrictions as they stifle the economy, which benefits no one.

To be honest, I have never actually stopped wearing a face covering in public or remote working for the most part, although we have been back in the office a couple of days a week. We’ve already had an email saying that we can continue as we are or wfh fully as the numbers in the office have remained low enough to ensure adequate distancing.

I wouldn’t go anywhere without a lft, I even take one before my days in the office, and I’m counting down to my booster next week. This really hasn’t changed anything for the vast majority of the population so why all the hyperbole.
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ablutiions · 09/12/2021 06:55

If the virus runs unchecked, it mutates. And whilst huge swathes of the global population remain unvaccinated new waves will continue, and the threat will stay.

What is needed is global immunisation. We are not all safe until we are all vaccinated. Developing countries don't have enough vaccine, and countries like South Africa become literal breeding grounds for new variants.

Countries like ours, who are ahead of others should be doing much more to ensure vaccination of our fellow humans - it's the right thing to do and will positively affect us all in the long run.

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XmasElf10 · 09/12/2021 06:58

If you really think the vaccines haven’t been effective then you are not understanding the graphs shown yesterday. Very clearly the number of people testing positive is huge and not far off where we were at the very height of the pandemic and the number of people being hospitalised and dying is very small. This is due to the vaccines reducing the severity of Covid.

The severity of Covid omicron in the unvaccinated and the vaccinated is unknown and we won’t know for a few more weeks yet. What we do know is it is the more contagious and will replace delta as the variant in circulation in the population. That was also very clear from the figures.

The government don’t want lockdowns- ruins the economy. People don’t want lockdowns - ruins everyone’s lives. However no-one wants what happened in Italy where there are so many desperately ill people over running hospitals that they had to pick and choose who to treat.

I will get my booster and watch and wait for scientists to get a clear understanding of how serious omicron is in the population and then I will do as I am bloody well told (even if I hate it) to avoid some poor nurse having to pick whether to treat Patient A or B and to let the other poor guy die.

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Nothinbut · 09/12/2021 07:00

@ablutiions

If the virus runs unchecked, it mutates. And whilst huge swathes of the global population remain unvaccinated new waves will continue, and the threat will stay.

What is needed is global immunisation. We are not all safe until we are all vaccinated. Developing countries don't have enough vaccine, and countries like South Africa become literal breeding grounds for new variants.

Countries like ours, who are ahead of others should be doing much more to ensure vaccination of our fellow humans - it's the right thing to do and will positively affect us all in the long run.

We have provided millions upon millions of vaccines for countries who otherwise wouldn't have it. I agree we could always do more, but i do think in this regard actually we've done okay.
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Grannycurls · 09/12/2021 07:17

@Lostinacloud

The plan is that we won’t be allowed to truly live with covid in the sense that we used to live with winter viruses. Even though they seem to be keeping very quiet about how dangerous omnicron is, most reports so far suggest it has evolved into a mild cold virus as expected. This should be the best news ever, to be celebrated from the rooftops and all restrictions immediately lifted, including travel ones, so that omnicron can spread as fast as possible and become the dominant strain worldwide.
But no, that’s not going to happen. Everywhere needs to keep its population tied down and restricted until everywhere has had the chance to fully install the vaccine passports. Then there will be a global digital ID system and that is the plan.

This in spades. Thank you, @Lostinacloud.
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BirdyBirdyTweetTweet · 09/12/2021 07:22

I always said we wouldn't lockdown again and I'm still not sure we will (or that anyone will comply).

But if we HAVE to I doubt it'll be a full lockdown and January is the month to do it.

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Unsure33 · 09/12/2021 07:37

It’s not a lockdown though.

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Unsure33 · 09/12/2021 07:40

Well said @XmasElf10

I can never understand why people think any government would want restrictions. We are doing the right thing for now.

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