I reached peak trans a couple of years ago and was swayed a lot by MN posters on how womens rights were being threatened by TRAs to the point I got into a massive argument one Christmas Day with my ‘right on’ DB and DH over it who accused me of being an anti trans bigot for expressing my concerns.
However, recently I’ve started to peel back the other way ironically also by MN. This is because not matter the topic, some posters have to turn it to a trans debate. It’s obsessive and is starting to feel very uncomfortable and sinister. There are some posters who will side with anyone or cause no matter how nasty if that person or cause is anti trans.
I'm struggling to believe you were ever convinced self ID threatened women's rights because you have characterised the discussion as anti trans. Women and specifically feminist who have experience of setting up single sex services have offered to share their expertise with TRA's to make sure trans people have access to services but that help has been rejected. As far as TRA's are concerned the only solution is for women to budge over and make room even when that approach goes against our interests.
I think the ability to accept you may agree with a person on one issue whilst you may not even like them or agree with them on anything else is a sign of maturity. I don't take an oppositional stance on an opinion because I don't like the person expressing it.
You have a government engaging in culture wars, putting minority lives under threat, ruining industries, cutting back welfare, large scale corruption . Things that statistically negatively impact women the most but none of this matters because ‘at least Boris knows what a woman is’.
I think the Conservative government is sitting back and letting all the left leaning parties destroy themselves over identity politics. I've no doubt they are very satisfied with what they are seeing but I don't think you can blame them for the divisive purity politics. This particular conservative government appear to be quite libertarian.
These are the same type of voters like Susan Sarandon who refused to vote for Hilary because she wasn’t pro-woman enough, allowing Trump to win so he could pack the Supreme Court with anti-abortionist Gilead wannabes.
Should she have voted for Hilary to prevent a potential challenge to Roe Vs Wade? If you think she should have voted a particular way because of one issue why do you think it's unreasonable for other people to be single issue voters?
This bullshit does real damage to women not a few nutty TRAs which nobody in real life would mistake for women. No laws would ever be passed to erase women. I’m totally over this anti-trans shit. I can’t be the only one who’s changed their views and become more disturbed by the zealots on MN.
Real damage is already being done to women because the legal definition of women is being eroded; the woman posting here about being unable to access single sex rape survivor support, the women in prison being raped by male born inmates, the teenage girl in the US raped in the school toilets, the woman who posted in feminism about living in a tent because she couldn't find a single sex DV shelter, the women being hounded out of their jobs, the prison inmate in the states who had learning disabilities and was repeatedly raped by her cellmate for a week before anyone noticed, the ND teenagers being convinced that a trans identity explains their social difficulties and being led down a path towards irreversible harm in the hope it will fix everything.
I could go on and on... Are these people not vulnerable enough for you or do you just see them as collateral damage?