Do you believe Boris Johnson when he says there was no Christmas party?

[Kendodd]

YABU There was no party
YANBU He's lying, there was a party.

@CorrBlimeyGG

We don't live in a society that mandates we have to stay in one place all of the time and can't move around the country as we please.

At the time in question, we were mandated to stay at home.

You seem to have completely missed the issue here.

No government could possibly get away with saying people had to stay at home. There would be a riot. Don't be daft.

Well next door then

No government could possibly get away with saying people had to stay at home. There would be a riot. Don't be daft.

How quickly they forget.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59601447

Headline on BBC today: Boris Johnson's press chief Jack Doyle spoke at No 10 party last year.

Is there a petition asking johnson to resign?

Its funny i was thinking about this and i realised i felt desensitised by the Cummins trip - i was so outraged about that i was almost 'meh' about the Christmas party. It all feels very animal farm. We should be very wary of this government, in my humble opinion.

@AmIgoinghomeforXmas

Much as I dislike the man I think he actually lives at No 11?

Regardless, these are his employees, he is responsible for them and their behavior at the work place, plus he gave a speech at one party but says there wasn't one!!!

For me the really scandal, rather than this party, is whether he has introduced Plan B for scientific reasons OR as a distraction.

These restrictions will have dire effects on peoples lives and our economy, if he did it on a whim, then he has to go today.

I think he's hoping that plan B/C and birth of his baby daughter distracts from all the scandals. However, there's a constant drip feed of dodgy behaviour that's not letting him Bury it under other news.

@Kendodd

Right so Johnson is lying (again). We know he's lying. He knows we know he's lying. And yet he continues to lie to us. Johnson isn't stupid. He's learnt that like Trump, he can lie as much as he wants and the electorate (enough of) won't care if he's lying or will believe him. It's our fault he lies so much because we've let him get away unpunished with so many lies.

I don't know where we go from here.

You raise a really interesting point here.

So prior in the Blair / Brown / Cameron era there was a growing feeling amongst the electorate that politicians always lie. In defence of the above politicians I don't think they were actively lying but more a clever use of words that avoids telling the truth but without actually lying. But this subtlety goes over the head of most of the electorate who just saw lies.

Also in defence of "lying" politicians they need to lie in order to get elected. A politician that lies and says he can increase Gov spending and not increase taxes or tackle immigration or build 40 new hospitals will get elected over a politician that tells the truth. So in fairness we the electorate are to blame for supporting lying politicians.

Lastly Johnson has been quite clever, he knows that the elect view politicians as liars anyway so he has decided tin which case go big on the lies.

Then when caught out adopt a "Shaggy-it wasn't me" defence of himself and every other Gov minister to repeat the line " the was no party and appropriate Covid guidance was followed at all times". He is betting with this approach people will get bored about it and forget about it by the new year and certainly by the next election.

Sadly I think he is right and he will get away with it and the offence and cover up lies will become more brazen and blatant at the next offence and the next and so on.

It's really shameful we have a PM that modelled his premiership on Trump. The philandering, financial shenanigans, lying and inciting people to break the law - because that is what the Tories are doing. If government are seen to break the law and laugh about it, then there is no encouragement for others to uphold the law. To think the Tories claimed to be the party of 'law and order' 🙄🙄

The silence of other Tory members and by implication the police (they must have known what was going on) I'd deafening.

I think he needs to be a bit careful thinking he can be like Trump, say whatever he likes whether it's true or not, and enough people will believe him/make excuses for him/not care that he's lied - because it didn't work out so well for Trump in the end did it? And surely we can't be more stupid and gullible than the Americans? I wait with baited breath on that one.

@521Jeanie

Do not tell me there isn't a police log of who is in the building at any time? Let's assume there must be. Why did the police not step in and stop it?

My friend's son was fined a huge sum for having a small student party at a similar time. She is beyond livid that he was punished so harshly at the same time that all these shenanigans were going on at no10.

Exactly! And why after all the fuss with Cummings and the eye test and the visit to the castle would the government risk and do such an idiotic thing.

I am waiting for the details of the police enquiry.

@Tal45

I think he needs to be a bit careful thinking he can be like Trump, say whatever he likes whether it's true or not, and enough people will believe him/make excuses for him/not care that he's lied - because it didn't work out so well for Trump in the end did it? And surely we can't be more stupid and gullible than the Americans? I wait with baited breath on that one.

What make you think Boris modelled his behaviour from Trump? More likely the hard lefties have modelled their behaviour from what the US did to take Trump out. Let me know how is that going for the US?

I read that "no offence was committed" may be true as the law may not apply in government " crown" property.
The Queen understood not to use that excuse at her husband's funeral though.

Oh, they probably had the party. But I cannot stress enough how little I care.

The specific party is far from important I agree.
But I think the leadership have been revealed as pathetic, out of touch, a laughing stock and incapable of leading the country.

I wouldn't believe Johnson if he said the sky was blue. It astonishes me how much shit a nation will take from a lying, incompetent, heartless, philandering clown if they believe he is a 'character' who went to Eton therefore is better than them.

Of course there were parties. I think it was probably leaked as the dead cat to cover up the contentious bills currently going through (removing the right to peaceful protest, withdrawing citizenship etc) . However, people are rightly very angry that their loved ones died alone in order to follow rules and protect others, while Johnson and his cronies broke the rules to party.

Anyone with a shred of decency would have resigned many scandals ago. He has no decency.

@Notonthestairs

Surely a basic expectation of any government is that they abide by the laws they introduce?

What other laws are people ok with them ignoring? Or is it just this one?

It's not trivial for those people why complied and lost valuable time with family andfriends. Businesses that buckled under repeated lockdowns. Jobs that were lost. Mental health battered by loneliness.

Of course there are many other issues that warrant investigation. The good news is that we don't have to limit ourselves to just one!

Absolutely !!! Yes, Johnson is lying about the rule breaking Parties (s) held by the Govt last Christmas. Breaking the rules & lining their pockets is what this administration do. Its the only thing they are remotely competent at.

@fournonblondes

I care more about having dinghies full of people coming daily to the U.K. without any checks. I will give my vote to the party that guarantee my children would be safe in the streets of London. The party that prevent more terrorists moving here on taxpayers money. Also, the party that protects women rights.

In the meantime I am happy with having access to my vaccines and the relative freedom we have here that European countries have lost.

Well, racists are always going to vote for the Tories, no matter what...

mobile.twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1468162117719240706

I think Johnson should go because he has no credibility as a leader. On the other hand we have bloody Nicola Sturgeon 'urging us not to have Christmas parties' They can both fuck off.

I actually think the fact we even have BJ and this government in charge reflects very, very badly on the country as a whole.
Shame on you if you voted them in, you have dragged the whole country down to their level.

@HeadPain

That Twitter link deserves a thread of it's own.
The worse thing is, Rees-Mogg is absolutely right, the police won't do anything. They can break the law and then publicly point and laugh at us over it and the Met will do FA.

Bojo has never had any credibility, it hasn't hindered him!

Moggs' is the worst.