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Am I over reacting or is this kid out of line calling my DD trans?

187 replies

Overreactingmom · 02/12/2021 13:14

DD is 10. Overall she is a lovely kid who gets on well at school but of course she is in year 6 so fall outs are inevitable at this age but had no serious issues, she is happy to go to school and she has no additional needs etc just so as not to drip feed.

There is a boy at school who is very popular in the year group, he is confident, sporty and from a huge family.

He has been making comments about my daughters hair for months now, calling her ginger etc and just generally making fun, always appearance related. We hadn’t really acted as she seemed to be holding her own and telling him to mind his own etc.

Last week she went into school wearing trousers rather than a skirt, cue this kid (and others) commenting that she looks like a boy, why is she wearing trousers, you look like ‘X child’ (who is on the spectrum and has always been the only girl to wear trousers in their year group which is fine ofc but they’re using this child as an insult!) and laughing about it generally. Spoke to school, she was pretty upset and teacher was fab, thought it was sorted.

Yesterday the same boy said to her (about her new school shoes) ‘why are you wearing them, you look like a boy! Are you trans?’ She also admitted he has been saying she’s going to grow up to ‘be a boy’ because of wearing trousers.

Now she’s not particularly upset over the more recent comments. But I am fuming. Aibu?

For the record - I wouldn’t care how she chose to identify as an adult but she is 10 years old and just a happy little ‘tomboy’ who wants to be warm and comfy in this freezing weather!

It’s 2021 ffs not the 50’s why can’t my daughter wear what she feels comfortable in without being picked on? I dread secondary school next year!

OP posts:
Bergamotte · 02/12/2021 14:02

@Peanutmnm

Issue 1 is that the boy is bullying your child. Issue 2 is that the boy is using trans as a slur, which is completely unacceptable.

The school needs to come down on both issues and not mix them up. Two major things.

The boy is
  1. A bully
  2. Transphobic and misogynistic
  3. Ablist (using "you look like [child with autism]" as an insult)
MorningStarling · 02/12/2021 14:06

It's not acceptable but it's pretty standard behaviour, schools can be very childish at times. Calling someone "trans" is just a form of name-calling, when I was at school boys bullied others by calling them "gay" and girls bullied others by calling them "lesbian" and it seems that, with trans rights being to the fore now, the language of bullying has moved on.

To the PP who said she should just wear a skirt, there is a degree of merit in that idea, in that the OP's DD needs to do what's best for them. Some children are more affected by bullying than others, the advice "do what works" is sometimes the most immediately helpful even if it's not the most just decision. The bully will probably just revert to calling her out for her red hair though.

HaveringWavering · 02/12/2021 14:06

@Indecisivelurcher

This sort of thing makes me livid. My Dd has been getting very cold on school and I've just this week persuaded her to wear school trousers with long socks under. I explained that women weren't always allowed to wear trousers, we talked about riding side saddle, and how trousers are much more practical. If this boy came along, I'd be livid. I hope my Dd learns to deal with things like this as well as your daughter has, op. Personally I think school uniforms should all be changed to trousers only. There's no need for skirts.
Presumably your daughter has no problem wearing jeans and other trousers when not in school?

I agree that it would be much more practical for all school kids just to wear trousers. Skirts are anachronistic - remember when female police officers used to have to wear them? That seems crazy now.

anotherchocolate · 02/12/2021 14:06

What on earth? I was wearing trousers at school in the 90s/00s a lot of girls were and never got any grief over it.

Society really is going backwards with its worship of stereotypes.

fruitbrewhaha · 02/12/2021 14:06

Lots of girls wear trousers to school.

He is a misogynist and a disablist. I wonder what his father is like.

Complain to the school.

Bogofftosomewherehot · 02/12/2021 14:08

@MrsBison
Are you for real??!!!!!

Enable a bully and teach a girl to give in to the shit tactics and sexist views of a boy.
You win the award today for crap advice and how to affect a girls mental health. Unbelievable.

Rissole · 02/12/2021 14:08

MrsBison the 1920's called. They want you back for some reason

viques · 02/12/2021 14:09

It’s bullying, plain and simple. So should be dealt with as bullying, he started off bullying her about her hair and is now bullying her about clothes. He is throwing in the trans issue because he thinks he’s a woke little shit. He is just a little shit who bullies other kids and has cottoned on to the issue that lots of kids are anxious about this bloody gender nonsense.

( So big thanks to Stonewall who are traumatising a whole generation instead of supporting the very few kids who are genuinely confused about their gender, which actually is more likely to be them being confused about their sexuality.)

Ionlydomassiveones · 02/12/2021 14:10

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countrygirl99 · 02/12/2021 14:10

@MrsBison

Why give people the ammo though?

Just encourage your daughter to wear a skirt. Problem solved.

Teaching a girl that a male can dictate what clothing she wears is do far off solving the problem it's on another planet.
hangrylady · 02/12/2021 14:13

@MrsBison

Why give people the ammo though?

Just encourage your daughter to wear a skirt. Problem solved.

This is terrible advice!
FOJN · 02/12/2021 14:15

Just encourage your daughter to wear a skirt. Problem solved.

FFS why should OP's daughter wear less comfortable clothes because a boy at school is a bullying little shit. It does not solve the problem because the problem is bullying not clothing.

Ringsender2 · 02/12/2021 14:16

@MrsBison

Why give people the ammo though?

Just encourage your daughter to wear a skirt. Problem solved.

Ahahahahahahahagaha.

Em, no.

tearsforfears72 · 02/12/2021 14:18

Definitely don’t encourage your daughter to wear a skirt, what archaic advice! Two problems here, firstly that of horrible gender stereotypes. Nothing wrong with girls wearing trousers. Secondly, ‘trans’ being used in an inappropriate context and as an insult. Definitely complain to school, your DD should have the right to wear whatever she likes and this boy needs a good talking to

ddl1 · 02/12/2021 14:18

*Why give people the ammo though?

Just encourage your daughter to wear a skirt. Problem solved.*

Why should we just let male chauvinists win? Loads of women and girls wear trousers nowadays - and have for decades.

And if she did wear a skirt, I doubt that it would solve the problem. Bullies will bully. He'd find an excuse. Her hair would be the wrong length or style (he's already picked on its colour). or her clothes wouldn't be frilly and feminine enough, or she'd play too many active games for a 'real girl', etc. etc.

EmotionalSupportBear · 02/12/2021 14:19

There's multiple issues here.

  1. he's bullying your daughter, she has a right to wear/appear however she chooses.

  2. No-one should be using 'Are you Trans?' as a bullying tactic, its Transphobic, and needs stopping.

Regardless of whether a person is simply choosing one style over another, or questioning their sexuality, or presenting gender, its NOT ok to bully, full stop.

Fomofo · 02/12/2021 14:19

Out of interest, what's the size of his family got to do with it?

ddl1 · 02/12/2021 14:21

And indeed the latest bullying was not about her trousers but her shoes.

Shedmistress · 02/12/2021 14:21

So bizarre. One word from a boy and Mrs Bison leaps to do whatever it is he wants.

Is it any wonder girls grow up to please men when this is the reaction from one adult?

Aroundtheworldin80moves · 02/12/2021 14:22

Stand up for your daughter. She has the right to wear what she likes.

ddl1 · 02/12/2021 14:25

So big thanks to Stonewall who are traumatising a whole generation

Can't blame Stonewall for this; it's nothing new. I didn't get this specific form of bullying as a kid, probably because I went to an all-girls' school; but my friend went to a co-educational school, and she told me that a standard form of teasing was to taunt a girl: 'You're a boy! You're a boy!' Apparently it came from both boys and girls. This was in the 70s.

LemonKitten · 02/12/2021 14:26

@MrsBison

Why give people the ammo though?

Just encourage your daughter to wear a skirt. Problem solved.

WTAF???
tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 02/12/2021 14:26

@MrsBison

Why give people the ammo though?

Just encourage your daughter to wear a skirt. Problem solved.

What a ridiculous suggestion
FooFighter99 · 02/12/2021 14:30

@MrsBison

Why give people the ammo though?

Just encourage your daughter to wear a skirt. Problem solved.

And this is why we're fucked as nation
tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 02/12/2021 14:30

We had similar from a an older boy at school a few years ago, little piece of shit he was. Thankfully he moved shortly after but agree, this isn't acceptable (plus implying that trans is somehow an insult probably counts as a "hate incident " or summat Confused).