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AIBU to loathe the people here?

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OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:06

Some people say that feeling a negative emotion or having unpleasant feelings about something shouldn't define you, that you should let the thoughts flow and then let them go. OK. I hope this to be true :(

But i have lived somewhere for the past 6 years that has brought me to conclusions and created feelings in me that I am not proud of. For the first time in my life I have actually come to loathe people and feel a sense of terror about being stuck with them. This is not particularly politically 'correct' when put into words, unfortunately, but I can't think of any other way to express it.

I moved to a town6 yrs ago in which I don't have much in common with the residents. It isn't unusual, just an ordinary large town which at one time contained more diversity, but in recent years has become very insular and homogenous. Everyone is angry, anti social, or depressed. If you don't openly discuss some sort of prejudice (racism, sexism, anti-intellectualism) you're 'soft in the head' or a 'bloody weirdo'.
Wherever I go here, in any direction, you will either see kids or drunk adults destroying property, or else screaming at each other in the street. There are a few select areas that are less challenging and rough, but the vibe is somehow the same.

Education or reading is a mugs game, football is the only passion, kids are yelled at for merely existing. Any conversation with a seemingly friendly stranger results in them wishing all the foreigners to go home. There is a general air of brutality to everything, a leathery, hard resistance to any kind of sensitivity whatsoever. Art, creativity and self reflection are suspicious, and the only permissible clothing is black or sport branded. Every damned street is choked with the fumes of endlessly revved up vehicles with ear splitting exhaust modifications. The environment is filthy, full of dog shit and bordering on dereliction.

I would once have considered all of this a problem of poverty, but it isn't quite that easy to determine, having witnessed it. There is no seeming variation in behaviour across income brackets here, it looks to be more cultural than income related, although the attitude towards learning, etc will obviously have the effect of creating more poverty regardless. It is like a self perpetuating cesspit of no hope and hard hearts. I thought i was a leftie, a socialist, but when I leave here I will be fucking marked by this and hope to never exist within it ever again.

We moved here for DP's work and are set to leave this coming year. I also appreciate that the residents and I have experienced very different upbringings and we do not share much in common, but even so, I think that you have to endure this to really, really see it, to come to fear it. It is easy to sit in a comfy armchair miles from it and 'defend' this stuff because you haven't truly sampled the existential sickness of it on your own doorstep.
I wish i didn't feel it, but it is difficult to lie to oneself, and the fear has probably evolved from having felt 'stuck' in it for so long. I wfh and DP does part time (some here regard us as 'pretentious' for this and have suggested we ought to do some 'real' work). It all feels very dated and odd, to be surrounded by values that repulse me and contain so little diversity. I mean, this is the type of place where you'll get side-eyed for cooking from scratch or having the audacity to flavour a dish with pesto.

Does this mean I loathe them? I don't know. I imagine I will chill with it when we have moved, as it all becomes a distant memory, but it has certainly left a mark. It feels wrong to state these feelings and observations, but I bet I am not the only one who has thought them....

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HairyFanjoBanjo · 30/11/2021 10:10

Cue everyone trying to guess the town...

TheCatWearsPrada · 30/11/2021 10:12

Every single person in your area is an arsehole? That's unfortunate and very unusual.

Hawkins001 · 30/11/2021 10:13

That's the thing, some talks are just the headlines of papers, some it's sports, then others it's pop culture or tv show trying to find people well versed in different areas of learning, cM be a mix at times.

DaisyNGO · 30/11/2021 10:13

OP " I thought i was a leftie, a socialist, but when I leave here I will be fucking marked by this and hope to never exist within it ever again. "

This made me laugh. There are a lot of prominent "lefties" - not a fan of those labels - who say this sort of thing.

I bet there's lots of nice people in this town. But you can't see it.

OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:14

@TheCatWearsPrada

Every single person in your area is an arsehole? That's unfortunate and very unusual.
it was to me until moving here.
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OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:14

@DaisyNGO

OP " I thought i was a leftie, a socialist, but when I leave here I will be fucking marked by this and hope to never exist within it ever again. "

This made me laugh. There are a lot of prominent "lefties" - not a fan of those labels - who say this sort of thing.

I bet there's lots of nice people in this town. But you can't see it.

no, they must be well hidden, you must come visit and find out!
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OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:15

True that i can't see it, but it is overwhelmingly like this, i have spent a few yrs thinking i have a problem and defending them. Had enough of that i suppose.

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KingRoloIV · 30/11/2021 10:18

Ok where do you live?

ChrissyPlummer · 30/11/2021 10:18

It sounds a bit like where I live (though worse - and I didn’t think that was possible!). I’d do anything to move away again, but we just can’t afford it at the moment without taking a huge hit on our savings.

I too, feel trapped and it is one source of my anxiety and depression. The reason my town is like this was identified as something called “poverty of aspiration”. No one has done anything about it though.

I feel for the people, especially the younger ones. There is nothing here. At one time we had engineering works, factories. Not the best jobs perhaps, but the pay wasn’t bad. Now, if the factories are still there, they only employ agency staff, everything else is gone and nothing came to replace it. There really isn’t much to aspire TO.

Salayes · 30/11/2021 10:19

How does what you describe connect to ‘leftie’ ideology? I’m not totally sure I understand.

GoGoPowerScooter · 30/11/2021 10:20

Do you live in Stoke on Trent, OP?

LadyWithLapdog · 30/11/2021 10:20

I felt a similar despair regarding a big city in England when I was there 25 years ago. I didn’t have the talent to describe it like you do but I recognise the dread. I’m more relaxed about it now, to the point we even researched property for a move back just before the pandemic. The difference was 25 years, some outward cosmetic differences, being able to buy in a nice area, being more secure overall. I get you though.

OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:20

@Salayes

How does what you describe connect to ‘leftie’ ideology? I’m not totally sure I understand.
it doesnt, but it tells something of my previous reticence to judge people who are technically at the shitty end of the economic stick.
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Technosaurus · 30/11/2021 10:20

I live in a town that some would class as "rough", but I bloody love it. The people are warm, friendly and funny - even getting a JustEat delivered results in a chat. There are a few dickheads revving souped up cars and the town centre itself has its problems with a bit of anti social behaviour, but it's quite easy to avoid and the positives far outweigh the negatives.

I have a friend nearby who sees the negative in everything and moans about our surroundings permanently - he makes no attempt to engage, it's a mindset thing.

I have yet to discuss with anyone their thoughts on me reading books, wearing green trousers, cooking from scratch or using pesto, perhaps if it ever comes up in conversation I'll change my view. But such things never have as I go about my day.

You sound like you've already adjudicated that everyone in your vicinity does not meet your exacting standards.

TheCatWearsPrada · 30/11/2021 10:22

@OnenessWithAllStrife oh that is unfortunate. Have you maybe considered that perhaps you have tarred everyone with the same brush? Yes the antisocial behaviour will stand out more but you're probably ignoring all the good.

OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:22

When we moved here, we chose a quite little street in a culdesac. Neighbours fairly pleasant, a bit older than us.

Since then, most of the houses are rentals with too many residents, most houses have fallen into disrepair, and two loud businesses have opened in the street, just feet from our door (a busy modded car garage and a warehouse that sounds like thunder and hellfire for 9 hours per day).

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OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:23

@Technosaurus

I live in a town that some would class as "rough", but I bloody love it. The people are warm, friendly and funny - even getting a JustEat delivered results in a chat. There are a few dickheads revving souped up cars and the town centre itself has its problems with a bit of anti social behaviour, but it's quite easy to avoid and the positives far outweigh the negatives.

I have a friend nearby who sees the negative in everything and moans about our surroundings permanently - he makes no attempt to engage, it's a mindset thing.

I have yet to discuss with anyone their thoughts on me reading books, wearing green trousers, cooking from scratch or using pesto, perhaps if it ever comes up in conversation I'll change my view. But such things never have as I go about my day.

You sound like you've already adjudicated that everyone in your vicinity does not meet your exacting standards.

Im sorry but if you can hack it, it must be a brighter little place than this.
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sashagabadon · 30/11/2021 10:24

Crikey! Sounds like somewhere out of a horror movie or Twin Peaks

Technosaurus · 30/11/2021 10:24

*Meant to add "so just move for your own well-being"

OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:24

[quote TheCatWearsPrada]@OnenessWithAllStrife oh that is unfortunate. Have you maybe considered that perhaps you have tarred everyone with the same brush? Yes the antisocial behaviour will stand out more but you're probably ignoring all the good.[/quote]
I bet you'd love it here, why not move? Come and warm to the charm and down-to-earthiness! I bet you'd shit yourself if you did.

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DaisyNGO · 30/11/2021 10:25

@OnenessWithAllStrife

When we moved here, we chose a quite little street in a culdesac. Neighbours fairly pleasant, a bit older than us.

Since then, most of the houses are rentals with too many residents, most houses have fallen into disrepair, and two loud businesses have opened in the street, just feet from our door (a busy modded car garage and a warehouse that sounds like thunder and hellfire for 9 hours per day).

this is a problem occurring across the country - businesses being opened in bonkers places - particularly considering how empty and run down the high streets are.

your post does remind me a bit of a colleague who talked a lot about her leftie values but wouldn't shop in Aldi because "oh I don't like the sort of people I see in there".

she thought I was raving right winger as well.

KatherineJaneway · 30/11/2021 10:25

I bet you'd love it here, why not move? Come and warm to the charm and down-to-earthiness! I bet you'd shit yourself if you did.

We can't because you won't say where it is Grin

Birdsnesting · 30/11/2021 10:26

I spent eight years living in a chocolate-box pretty, prosperous English village, and had come to absolutely loathe the collective mindset of most of the inhabitants by the time we left -- this wasn't any kind of side-effect of poverty (the village had just come out close to the top of 'most prosperous parishes' in some C of E survey), it was a kind of big and small-C conservatism, an insularity and deep suspicion of any form of novelty. It was easily the most depressing place I've ever lived.

icelolly12 · 30/11/2021 10:26

Sooo where is this hell hole?

logsonlogsoff · 30/11/2021 10:27

You sound depressed, OP. I’m not sure moving will help you, if you’re fixated on all the negatives about people only. Still, a change of scene can sometimes help with depression, maybe get you out of your funk.