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AIBU to loathe the people here?

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OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:06

Some people say that feeling a negative emotion or having unpleasant feelings about something shouldn't define you, that you should let the thoughts flow and then let them go. OK. I hope this to be true :(

But i have lived somewhere for the past 6 years that has brought me to conclusions and created feelings in me that I am not proud of. For the first time in my life I have actually come to loathe people and feel a sense of terror about being stuck with them. This is not particularly politically 'correct' when put into words, unfortunately, but I can't think of any other way to express it.

I moved to a town6 yrs ago in which I don't have much in common with the residents. It isn't unusual, just an ordinary large town which at one time contained more diversity, but in recent years has become very insular and homogenous. Everyone is angry, anti social, or depressed. If you don't openly discuss some sort of prejudice (racism, sexism, anti-intellectualism) you're 'soft in the head' or a 'bloody weirdo'.
Wherever I go here, in any direction, you will either see kids or drunk adults destroying property, or else screaming at each other in the street. There are a few select areas that are less challenging and rough, but the vibe is somehow the same.

Education or reading is a mugs game, football is the only passion, kids are yelled at for merely existing. Any conversation with a seemingly friendly stranger results in them wishing all the foreigners to go home. There is a general air of brutality to everything, a leathery, hard resistance to any kind of sensitivity whatsoever. Art, creativity and self reflection are suspicious, and the only permissible clothing is black or sport branded. Every damned street is choked with the fumes of endlessly revved up vehicles with ear splitting exhaust modifications. The environment is filthy, full of dog shit and bordering on dereliction.

I would once have considered all of this a problem of poverty, but it isn't quite that easy to determine, having witnessed it. There is no seeming variation in behaviour across income brackets here, it looks to be more cultural than income related, although the attitude towards learning, etc will obviously have the effect of creating more poverty regardless. It is like a self perpetuating cesspit of no hope and hard hearts. I thought i was a leftie, a socialist, but when I leave here I will be fucking marked by this and hope to never exist within it ever again.

We moved here for DP's work and are set to leave this coming year. I also appreciate that the residents and I have experienced very different upbringings and we do not share much in common, but even so, I think that you have to endure this to really, really see it, to come to fear it. It is easy to sit in a comfy armchair miles from it and 'defend' this stuff because you haven't truly sampled the existential sickness of it on your own doorstep.
I wish i didn't feel it, but it is difficult to lie to oneself, and the fear has probably evolved from having felt 'stuck' in it for so long. I wfh and DP does part time (some here regard us as 'pretentious' for this and have suggested we ought to do some 'real' work). It all feels very dated and odd, to be surrounded by values that repulse me and contain so little diversity. I mean, this is the type of place where you'll get side-eyed for cooking from scratch or having the audacity to flavour a dish with pesto.

Does this mean I loathe them? I don't know. I imagine I will chill with it when we have moved, as it all becomes a distant memory, but it has certainly left a mark. It feels wrong to state these feelings and observations, but I bet I am not the only one who has thought them....

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NovemberNovemberDarkNights · 30/11/2021 10:41

@OnenessWithAllStrife

Why not start a new thread, under a new name, in a different section asking fir suggestions of nice places to go/groups to join/people to meet up with?

A lot of my family live somewhere a bit 'rough'. My parents, with my Grandparents moved away years ago (1960 ish) I absolutely love going to visit, but I couldn't live there.

I think on the face of it 'newcomers' might see it as you see your area, but underneath the people are actually warm & lovely. It's just getting past that bit... not mentioning some things they'd definitely see as pretentious would certainly help!! Know your audience/read the room.

needtogetfit21 · 30/11/2021 10:42

@OnenessWithAllStrife Huddersfield?

RedHot22 · 30/11/2021 10:43

not sure why me hating a place makes me the problem

It doesn’t hurt to look at oneself though does it? To potentially help with the next move.

Laserbird16 · 30/11/2021 10:43

Warrington?

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 30/11/2021 10:43

@icelolly12

Sooo where is this hell hole?
OP has given such specific details about 2 businesses close by that it would genuinely be outing for her actual address.
ohfiddledeedee · 30/11/2021 10:44

It's somewhere in West Yorkshire, isn't it? You've articulated exactly how I feel about where I live (I'm not originally from there and yes, I want to leave but can't afford to)

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 30/11/2021 10:44

Blackburn?

daimbarsatemydogsbone · 30/11/2021 10:44

It's London isn't it?

Wingutyoy · 30/11/2021 10:44

Could be a few places in West Yorkshire, I grew up here and desperate to move now days.

Technosaurus · 30/11/2021 10:44

Here's my advice from a "rough area":

  • join a common interest group or two. You'll hopefully be surprised that there are other people on your wavelength. If you haven't got any interests, volunteer somewhere as people who do such things tend to be interesting
  • engage with the community somehow. Be nice to people in shops, chat with taxi drivers, go to the nicer pubs and restaurants, in my experience it's very rare that every single person in a place is a stone cold dickhead
  • look for the positives and wash your hands of the negatives. You can't do anything about other people's perceived feral lifestyle, so just leave them to it
  • if all else fails, move
Chocolatier9 · 30/11/2021 10:45

I know the feeling of moving to a place and realising the culture is not yours, that you are not welcome, meeting with a degree of negativity or hostility every day and recognising, with horror, that you yourself are becoming someone you don’t like in reaction to the encounters you have every day.

I can only advise you to move OP. It’s miserable living like that, even if you understand why the people are the way they are and you occasionally meet ones who are more on your wavelength. Hope you can get out soon.

RedHot22 · 30/11/2021 10:45

@daimbarsatemydogsbone

It's London isn't it?
Grin How dare you
DaisyNGO · 30/11/2021 10:45

@daimbarsatemydogsbone

It's London isn't it?
I'm in London and it could be AFAIK except the OP mentioned diversity which often means one thing.
RedRobyn2021 · 30/11/2021 10:45

I know towns like this. It's important to say that not everyone there will be like this though. I mean, you aren't are you?

You would be better off in a smaller market town, people tend to be kinder and have more community spirit than the larger towns I've noticed.

Rissole · 30/11/2021 10:46

I get you OP. I moved to where I am in in 1998. I didn't research the area first and that was a huge mistake. I live between an area known to be insular and a city full of horrible people. Can't wait to move back to normality.

MooseBreath · 30/11/2021 10:46

I certainly never insinuated that you are a horrible cunt. Just that you sound a bit more judgemental than I think you intended.

And while you may not wish to post the location, it does make it difficult for people to offer advice that would be suitable for you. People may know of some hidden gems in your area that you haven't found. I know where I lived (Coventry), there were some really nice little cafes and friendly people if you looked past the endless drudgery.

OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:46

@RedHot22

not sure why me hating a place makes me the problem

It doesn’t hurt to look at oneself though does it? To potentially help with the next move.

But i do look at myself, and have been palming it off on me for years. That's the point. Something just snapped i guess.

Ive done what many of you suggest and it is simply not a great place.
My OP is about being sad and ashamed of starting to hate a certain group of people in society, i thought i was immune to that, and it is shit.

I am not proud of it nor do i feel superior, i just feel a bit suffocated by it.

I also think a lot of you know exactly what i mean, or else have never experienced it. Nobody would like this and it is not a healthy place to be.

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manolantern · 30/11/2021 10:46

Okay, let me guess. Is it Hampstead Village?

Juniper68 · 30/11/2021 10:46

Does it have a community centre? With classes? Or somewhere you can volunteer for a few hours? This might help you be able to bear the last months?

I live somewhere that was a culture shock to me when I first moved here. But there are good people here luckily. Just a lot of ignorant people. I used to argue with them (usually in the club...homophobic racist sexist chat) but now I just ignore. Unless it's a friend and then they get educated.

I hope you can find some peace as you do sound very down. Understandable as environment is so important.

Laserbird16 · 30/11/2021 10:46

Though Stoke can be quite depressing. But very rich industrial history. I enjoy the Josiah Wedgewood statue and his ever rotating traffic cone hats and kebabs

SSOYS · 30/11/2021 10:47

OP, does it help to look for similarities rather than differences? Even if you have very different political views and life expectations from most people in your community, you will have things in common. Might help to try to focus on those. People are generally more complex and contradictory than "them v us" thinking allows.

SpinachIsAGatewayDrug · 30/11/2021 10:47

@Iooselipssinkships

I'm going with Hull.
How very dare you???

I'm from Hull!

(I left 20+ years ago and haven't been back since Grin)

OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:47

@MooseBreath

I certainly never insinuated that you are a horrible cunt. Just that you sound a bit more judgemental than I think you intended.

And while you may not wish to post the location, it does make it difficult for people to offer advice that would be suitable for you. People may know of some hidden gems in your area that you haven't found. I know where I lived (Coventry), there were some really nice little cafes and friendly people if you looked past the endless drudgery.

im judgemental now (about this subject, sadly) and i think that's because it's been years and i am so tired and fed up of it. I know we can move but i was still troubled by having such feelings.
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Wingutyoy · 30/11/2021 10:47

ohfiddledeedee and needtogetfit21 beat me to it Grin

lastqueenofscotland · 30/11/2021 10:48

@OnenessWithAllStrife

Ok ladies it is sitting snugly and proudly between Manchester and Liverpool.
Is it Leigh?
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