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AIBU to loathe the people here?

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OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:06

Some people say that feeling a negative emotion or having unpleasant feelings about something shouldn't define you, that you should let the thoughts flow and then let them go. OK. I hope this to be true :(

But i have lived somewhere for the past 6 years that has brought me to conclusions and created feelings in me that I am not proud of. For the first time in my life I have actually come to loathe people and feel a sense of terror about being stuck with them. This is not particularly politically 'correct' when put into words, unfortunately, but I can't think of any other way to express it.

I moved to a town6 yrs ago in which I don't have much in common with the residents. It isn't unusual, just an ordinary large town which at one time contained more diversity, but in recent years has become very insular and homogenous. Everyone is angry, anti social, or depressed. If you don't openly discuss some sort of prejudice (racism, sexism, anti-intellectualism) you're 'soft in the head' or a 'bloody weirdo'.
Wherever I go here, in any direction, you will either see kids or drunk adults destroying property, or else screaming at each other in the street. There are a few select areas that are less challenging and rough, but the vibe is somehow the same.

Education or reading is a mugs game, football is the only passion, kids are yelled at for merely existing. Any conversation with a seemingly friendly stranger results in them wishing all the foreigners to go home. There is a general air of brutality to everything, a leathery, hard resistance to any kind of sensitivity whatsoever. Art, creativity and self reflection are suspicious, and the only permissible clothing is black or sport branded. Every damned street is choked with the fumes of endlessly revved up vehicles with ear splitting exhaust modifications. The environment is filthy, full of dog shit and bordering on dereliction.

I would once have considered all of this a problem of poverty, but it isn't quite that easy to determine, having witnessed it. There is no seeming variation in behaviour across income brackets here, it looks to be more cultural than income related, although the attitude towards learning, etc will obviously have the effect of creating more poverty regardless. It is like a self perpetuating cesspit of no hope and hard hearts. I thought i was a leftie, a socialist, but when I leave here I will be fucking marked by this and hope to never exist within it ever again.

We moved here for DP's work and are set to leave this coming year. I also appreciate that the residents and I have experienced very different upbringings and we do not share much in common, but even so, I think that you have to endure this to really, really see it, to come to fear it. It is easy to sit in a comfy armchair miles from it and 'defend' this stuff because you haven't truly sampled the existential sickness of it on your own doorstep.
I wish i didn't feel it, but it is difficult to lie to oneself, and the fear has probably evolved from having felt 'stuck' in it for so long. I wfh and DP does part time (some here regard us as 'pretentious' for this and have suggested we ought to do some 'real' work). It all feels very dated and odd, to be surrounded by values that repulse me and contain so little diversity. I mean, this is the type of place where you'll get side-eyed for cooking from scratch or having the audacity to flavour a dish with pesto.

Does this mean I loathe them? I don't know. I imagine I will chill with it when we have moved, as it all becomes a distant memory, but it has certainly left a mark. It feels wrong to state these feelings and observations, but I bet I am not the only one who has thought them....

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Nowomenaroundeh · 30/11/2021 10:49

Ohhhh OP I feel your pain, it sounds absolutely horrible.

Years ago myself and a friend moved into a rental in a really horrible part of the city we lived in. Finding accommodation was really tough and we took this against my better judgement. She was insistent I was being a snob but I'd lived in many different types of areas and I knew this was a mistake.

I was right. No engagement with anyone. Lots of buildings full of soulless flats which you entered directly from the street as quickly as possible. Nobody in our building or any other building made eye contact, I used to look up and down my corridor and wonder who lived behind all the doors. You didn't stop on the street, got quickly to your underground car or to the train where it was safe. There was a methadone clinic and a number of safe houses in the locality so drug addicts were asleep outside the front door frequently or begging or fighting. There was a little area with benches near our building but it was used as a sleeping area for these poor souls. You kept your head down. There were numerous bars nearby but every taxi driver warned us not to set foot in any of them. There was one a little further out which they said was safe enough. We tried it one night and the barman covertly told us to leave before we got beaten up. The only shops were two convenience stores, off licence, fast food and a sex shop.

A grim, horrible place. I should have trusted my judgement.

I think you should move. You've given it a good chance. Just get out.

Ironically I now own a house in an area which is always in the news and completely villified by the media. It's like they are reporting about a different place as I've never lived anywhere that feels safer, more welcoming, stuff to do, beautiful beaches. You have to live in a place to know it. Which you have. And life is too short for that stuff you've described.

RedRobyn2021 · 30/11/2021 10:49

@OnenessWithAllStrife

Ok ladies it is sitting snugly and proudly between Manchester and Liverpool.
Warrington?
OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:49

@SSOYS

OP, does it help to look for similarities rather than differences? Even if you have very different political views and life expectations from most people in your community, you will have things in common. Might help to try to focus on those. People are generally more complex and contradictory than "them v us" thinking allows.
It isnt so much us against them, at all.

it is the fact that most of who we see, every day here, are generally either pissed up and violent or destroying something. It isnt an exaggeration, i guess we are in the worst part right now. This does happen and most of you would not want to live here. The place isnt full of cheeky chappies with heartwarming chatter. It really really isnt.

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Levithian · 30/11/2021 10:50

You sound depressed and you're blaming it on your surroundings. I see people talking about my area in this way and I wonder why they choose to look outwards for the reason for their own unhappiness instead of looking in. There will be happy, contented people in your area, and you know that.

OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:51

I love the snob or pretentious comments.

I would like to see how many people on MN would be cool with this. And this is a website where most women say they'd never date a man with a low income or on benefits.

mmm....

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MissyB1 · 30/11/2021 10:51

I get it OP. Some areas are just insular and small minded, I lived in a small town like that but managed to get away.
It’s not even a social class thing I don’t think, as a pp said some middle class villages can be just as bad! Some friends of ours live in a very posh little village, full of pretentious narrow minded prats, who look down their noses at everyone else.

Another pp mentioned the phrase “poverty of aspiration” that’s an interesting one, I hadn’t heard it before, but it sounds like it might apply to the place you are in.

MLMshouldbeillegal · 30/11/2021 10:51

OP says between Manchester and Liverpool - so Warrington, St Helens, Runcorn, Widnes - that sort of place.

OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:51

@Levithian

You sound depressed and you're blaming it on your surroundings. I see people talking about my area in this way and I wonder why they choose to look outwards for the reason for their own unhappiness instead of looking in. There will be happy, contented people in your area, and you know that.
fucking bullshit, my surroundings are the fucking problem.

nice try though.

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MissyB1 · 30/11/2021 10:52

@MLMshouldbeillegal

OP says between Manchester and Liverpool - so Warrington, St Helens, Runcorn, Widnes - that sort of place.
If it’s Widnes that would explain an awful lot about my Mil! Grin
RedHot22 · 30/11/2021 10:53

Can you tell us just one positive thing about where you live OP?

OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:53

It is also a shame we cant have a discussion about the stuff, it is basically shoving social issues under the rug and blaming the person who observed some of them.

even if we pretend really hard and say it's all jolly bobbins, it wont go away!

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Franklyfrost · 30/11/2021 10:53

Yeah, I’ve live in a couple of places like that. It’s not to do with wealth, just like attracting like. Move.

MLMshouldbeillegal · 30/11/2021 10:54

But why did you choose to live there in the first place OP? If you're not from there originally?

NightmareSlashDelightful · 30/11/2021 10:54

Chester

OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:55

@RedHot22

Can you tell us just one positive thing about where you live OP?
There's a few roads that lead out?

on a serious note, there used to be. It was a decent place a decade ago. The council have let it rot. I dont blame the people for this, i just cant enjoy the resulting atmosphere.
There are a few areas of crime, but it isnt unsafe in general. Yet.

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Wingutyoy · 30/11/2021 10:56

OP there are plenty of us on here know exactly what you mean, there are far to many people who don't live in these areas and have never experienced what its like to actually LIVE in these areas not visit or pass thorough at all.

I have travelled around quite extensively as part of my job for many years spending months on end in different areas of the country on temporary basis and its always the same lefty types who tell me how wonderful these places are and it must be me with a problem, only because they don't bloody have it on their doorstep or live their.

RedHot22 · 30/11/2021 10:56

It’s depressing, I can see that.

Think very carefully about your next move

DaisyNGO · 30/11/2021 10:56

@OnenessWithAllStrife

It is also a shame we cant have a discussion about the stuff, it is basically shoving social issues under the rug and blaming the person who observed some of them.

even if we pretend really hard and say it's all jolly bobbins, it wont go away!

It's the tone of your post that is the issue

In many ways, many towns have been set up to be like this.

I still think there's probably some kind hearts and decent people there though.

RedRobyn2021 · 30/11/2021 10:57

@OnenessWithAllStrife

Assuming it might be Warrington

I know a few people who are originally from Warrington, I went to go visit once actually when he moved back there after uni wrapped up, the family were absolutely lovely and about as left as you can get 😂

Warrington was quite run down when I visited. I wouldn't want to live there either tbf, not the part I visited anyway.

OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:58

@Wingutyoy

OP there are plenty of us on here know exactly what you mean, there are far to many people who don't live in these areas and have never experienced what its like to actually LIVE in these areas not visit or pass thorough at all.

I have travelled around quite extensively as part of my job for many years spending months on end in different areas of the country on temporary basis and its always the same lefty types who tell me how wonderful these places are and it must be me with a problem, only because they don't bloody have it on their doorstep or live their.

This. I have lived similarly.
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DaisyNGO · 30/11/2021 10:58

OP "It was a decent place a decade ago."

I'd go back further than a decade but I think this can be said about many places.

OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:58

DaisyNGO

i agree with you. My tone is possibly exasperated! Apologies.

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raspberrymuffin · 30/11/2021 10:59

YANBU. I used to live somewhere just like this. It wasn't a class thing and it is actually appalling that people here are implying that being racist, sexist and deliberately ignorant are in some way working class values. There was just a cultural inclination towards being an arsehole, across all social classes. My grandparents both came from large families there and yet by the time I moved there there was no one left who I was related to as everyone had moved away. My theory is that as the economy declined anyone with any interest in living a nice life moved away leaving only the arseholes, who then raised their kids to believe this was the only way to be.

NotQuiteFinishedYet · 30/11/2021 11:00

My guess is Swindon !?

OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 11:00

@raspberrymuffin

YANBU. I used to live somewhere just like this. It wasn't a class thing and it is actually appalling that people here are implying that being racist, sexist and deliberately ignorant are in some way working class values. There was just a cultural inclination towards being an arsehole, across all social classes. My grandparents both came from large families there and yet by the time I moved there there was no one left who I was related to as everyone had moved away. My theory is that as the economy declined anyone with any interest in living a nice life moved away leaving only the arseholes, who then raised their kids to believe this was the only way to be.
Thank god it isnt just me!

It is interesting how people do this in AIBU. Suddenly it is ok to be racist, i just need to chill out!

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