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AIBU to loathe the people here?

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OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:06

Some people say that feeling a negative emotion or having unpleasant feelings about something shouldn't define you, that you should let the thoughts flow and then let them go. OK. I hope this to be true :(

But i have lived somewhere for the past 6 years that has brought me to conclusions and created feelings in me that I am not proud of. For the first time in my life I have actually come to loathe people and feel a sense of terror about being stuck with them. This is not particularly politically 'correct' when put into words, unfortunately, but I can't think of any other way to express it.

I moved to a town6 yrs ago in which I don't have much in common with the residents. It isn't unusual, just an ordinary large town which at one time contained more diversity, but in recent years has become very insular and homogenous. Everyone is angry, anti social, or depressed. If you don't openly discuss some sort of prejudice (racism, sexism, anti-intellectualism) you're 'soft in the head' or a 'bloody weirdo'.
Wherever I go here, in any direction, you will either see kids or drunk adults destroying property, or else screaming at each other in the street. There are a few select areas that are less challenging and rough, but the vibe is somehow the same.

Education or reading is a mugs game, football is the only passion, kids are yelled at for merely existing. Any conversation with a seemingly friendly stranger results in them wishing all the foreigners to go home. There is a general air of brutality to everything, a leathery, hard resistance to any kind of sensitivity whatsoever. Art, creativity and self reflection are suspicious, and the only permissible clothing is black or sport branded. Every damned street is choked with the fumes of endlessly revved up vehicles with ear splitting exhaust modifications. The environment is filthy, full of dog shit and bordering on dereliction.

I would once have considered all of this a problem of poverty, but it isn't quite that easy to determine, having witnessed it. There is no seeming variation in behaviour across income brackets here, it looks to be more cultural than income related, although the attitude towards learning, etc will obviously have the effect of creating more poverty regardless. It is like a self perpetuating cesspit of no hope and hard hearts. I thought i was a leftie, a socialist, but when I leave here I will be fucking marked by this and hope to never exist within it ever again.

We moved here for DP's work and are set to leave this coming year. I also appreciate that the residents and I have experienced very different upbringings and we do not share much in common, but even so, I think that you have to endure this to really, really see it, to come to fear it. It is easy to sit in a comfy armchair miles from it and 'defend' this stuff because you haven't truly sampled the existential sickness of it on your own doorstep.
I wish i didn't feel it, but it is difficult to lie to oneself, and the fear has probably evolved from having felt 'stuck' in it for so long. I wfh and DP does part time (some here regard us as 'pretentious' for this and have suggested we ought to do some 'real' work). It all feels very dated and odd, to be surrounded by values that repulse me and contain so little diversity. I mean, this is the type of place where you'll get side-eyed for cooking from scratch or having the audacity to flavour a dish with pesto.

Does this mean I loathe them? I don't know. I imagine I will chill with it when we have moved, as it all becomes a distant memory, but it has certainly left a mark. It feels wrong to state these feelings and observations, but I bet I am not the only one who has thought them....

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Antsgomarching · 30/11/2021 11:01

Some places are just shitholes.

I lived in an area of liverpool where black friends had an actual phone booth chucked through their window, fireworks and dog shit through the letterbox. Racist abuse was rife like daily basis rife (from different people not just the same asshole) there were some nice shopkeepers who were friendly and the sex workers in the area were pretty polite but I would say 90% of the people there were anti-social bastards. I doubt EVERY person is horrible in your place OP but it can start feeling like you are a bit under siege in some areas. Places develop a culture of their own, sometimes thats nice (or there are at least pockets of nice) and some are just grim.

AliveAndSleeping · 30/11/2021 11:01

@logsonlogsoff

I’m guessing that you aren’t naming the place as you know people will start talking about the positives of their experiences there, and you realise that’s it’s not them, it’s you.
I think, it's more likely that op doesn't want to share the name for the sake of anonymity.
Bexxe · 30/11/2021 11:02

I'm honestly never one to comment something negative on here, but OP i feel sorry for you.

The entire post screams pretentious and condiscending.
And even after all of this, i still can't seem to fathom the point of this post?

You are leaving in the coming year, so why come on here to tell MN how much better you are than everyone who lives around you?

I hope for your sake, and for any (unfortunate) future neighbours, you find a lovely little rural home and moan about your distaste for anything below upper class in solitary.

Grimbelina · 30/11/2021 11:02

I think that a kind of defensiveness and, as a PP said 'poverty of aspiration', is only getting worse after years of council's failing local areas, austerity and then the horrors of Covid. I know so many people who are struggling.

I have moved to an area which has a different feel (which I also struggle with) smug, conservative with a small (and large) c. I don't like it, I don't think I will ever get used to it, I can see already I will struggle to make like-minded friends... but I need to stay (for very specific educational reasons) for 10 years and I can do that (with some adjustments, and regular escapes!).

MLMshouldbeillegal · 30/11/2021 11:03

And I do get in part where you are coming from OP. We drifted into buying a property in a home counties town without doing our homework on who the other people were who were buying on our small development. Think about 20 houses in total.

It wasn't until we moved in that we discovered that out of the 20 houses, 15 had been sold to a buy to let company who let them back to the council for emergency housing. We had some lovely neighbours but a very high percentage of "problem" families and suffered with antisocial behaviour, drug dealing, noise. We just kept ourselves to ourselves and had nothing to do with them, luckily it was just a very small pocket of problem families.

So I do get that these people exist and no, I wouldn't want to live next to them again either. Which is why we did our homework so carefully when moving again.

But I think it's your assertions that everyone in a large-ish town is depressed, alcoholic or antisocial which has got people's backs up.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 30/11/2021 11:03

Everyone is angry, anti social, or depressed.

The thing is, you yourself sound very angry, and the fact that you take such a negative view of an entire population suggests that you may be a bit depressed. Even if we take your word for it that you were a sparkling ray of sunshine before you moved there, you may not be best placed to point fingers now.

I am wondering where you are planning to move next? An area you know well, where you already have like minded friends, would probably be best.

OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 11:04

@Bexxe

I'm honestly never one to comment something negative on here, but OP i feel sorry for you.

The entire post screams pretentious and condiscending.
And even after all of this, i still can't seem to fathom the point of this post?

You are leaving in the coming year, so why come on here to tell MN how much better you are than everyone who lives around you?

I hope for your sake, and for any (unfortunate) future neighbours, you find a lovely little rural home and moan about your distaste for anything below upper class in solitary.

i feel for you, too. lets hug and be besties
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SelfHelpPlease · 30/11/2021 11:04

I thought you was going to say up North. Everything you described sounds like I've watched on benefits street!

It sounds awful and I feel for you. People will say you think you're better than everyone else but I don't think you are at all. Some people are okay living like that but you are not and thats okay. I cane from a run down part of London and now I live in an affluent area and I wouldn't trade it in for anything.

HippoRaine · 30/11/2021 11:05

I thought Widnes as soon as I read the first post so I'm not surprised it's somewhere around there.

HippoRaine · 30/11/2021 11:06

(sorry Widnesians, nothing personal, I'm from there too but I haven't been back in years)

ThousandsOfTulips · 30/11/2021 11:07

@daimbarsatemydogsbone

It's London isn't it?
Geography lesson required!
Coolwaterscoolcool · 30/11/2021 11:07

But why did you choose to live there in the first place OP? If you're not from there originally?

They wanted to “live like common people, do whatever common people do?”

OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 11:08

Yes i am angry being stuck with racist, sexist shit bags. I am tired of people abusing pets, setting fire to cars, spitting out of upstairs rooms onto the street, walking around with their hands in the pants juggling their balls.
Im fucking tired of street shouting and seeing smashed windows.

I am obviously just angry, if i look at it differently it will all go away. It must be me!
It's ok to smack your kids around the face, leave dog shit on the pavements, shout at foreigners, block all passages along the canal with boozed up aggressive men, to see trash piled sky high at the end of your street.

i evidently am the problem.

just fucking tell me you'd be ok with this.

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twilightermummy · 30/11/2021 11:09

I actually guessed Liverpool..so pretty close 😌

buntybanana · 30/11/2021 11:09

OP I don't think you're being a snob at all. It sounds tough. I've lived short term in places like this and I absolutely believe what you're saying is true (my guess is definitely somewhere in West Yorkshire).

Also - of course OP sounds depressed. This situation would make lots of people depressed. I understand that some might be able to make the best of this situation, but others are very sensitive to their surroundings and much more affected by things like this.

MsTSwift · 30/11/2021 11:09

Why are people attacking the op?! She’s observing where she lives how does that make her “condescending” or “pretentious”? Bizarre.

Definitely live in a bubble here and bloody glad to be frankly.

OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 11:10

@Coolwaterscoolcool

*But why did you choose to live there in the first place OP? If you're not from there originally?*

They wanted to “live like common people, do whatever common people do?”

christ what a blinkered response.

I must be a snob because i loathe shitholes and have the audacity to say it on the internet.

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CarrotVan · 30/11/2021 11:11

If it's between Liverpool and Manchester there will likely be an active and thriving rugby scene

OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 11:12

OK, it is Wigan.

Im originally from Kendal. Lived in a few places across the north, this is the worst. Im sure there are many that could compete, like goddamn Barrow, but there you go.

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ThousandsOfTulips · 30/11/2021 11:12

@OnenessWithAllStrife

Yes i am angry being stuck with racist, sexist shit bags. I am tired of people abusing pets, setting fire to cars, spitting out of upstairs rooms onto the street, walking around with their hands in the pants juggling their balls. Im fucking tired of street shouting and seeing smashed windows.

I am obviously just angry, if i look at it differently it will all go away. It must be me!
It's ok to smack your kids around the face, leave dog shit on the pavements, shout at foreigners, block all passages along the canal with boozed up aggressive men, to see trash piled sky high at the end of your street.

i evidently am the problem.

just fucking tell me you'd be ok with this.

It sounds horrific. You're not being pretentious at all. Glad for you that you can escape soon and go to live somewhere decent.
Siameasy · 30/11/2021 11:12

Sounds like Medway

teleskopregel · 30/11/2021 11:13

This is an interesting post, OP, and it has put into words my thoughts and feelings I have been unable to describe. Thank-you.

In my limited experience, there have been places, seemingly independent of socio-economic status, where it has been a pleasure to live, and others where it has been continual hard work. A bad fit might be a more apt description. A certain culture becomes apparent after a while of living somewhere, and either it fits or it doesn't. It is horrible, though, when it doesn't.

We have found the overall culture of the town we currently live in so overwhelmingly negative and insular that I cannot wait to leave next year. The people are generally unfriendly and anti everything they can think of - anti immigration, anti vaccination, anti government, anti personal responsibility. The local council also blatantly absolves themselves of responsibility for problems that have arisen, and as a result there is very little sense of cohesiveness, of community. We still feel like outsiders after several years of living here, and although initially painful to accept, I have made my peace about that.

We will be moving next year to a more rural area and although we have found a house and land that we think ideal, we know nothing about the neighborhood and the general culture. What happens if it is the same? Or have we changed and matured enough as people to get past that and form satisfying relationships in the community? I hope so.

OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 11:13

It wont out me, there are over 500,000 of us here.
And i havent mentioned making my own pesto to anyone for years.Grin

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KittensWearingWoollyMittens · 30/11/2021 11:14

I'm going with Mansfield

Siameasy · 30/11/2021 11:15

Ok X posted, not Medway lol. It sounds shit and some places are full of negative people and have a negative vibe. I totally get what you’re saying-I live in Kent and do encounter this anti-intellectual thought. Deeply unhappy people who hate difference.

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