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AIBU to loathe the people here?

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OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:06

Some people say that feeling a negative emotion or having unpleasant feelings about something shouldn't define you, that you should let the thoughts flow and then let them go. OK. I hope this to be true :(

But i have lived somewhere for the past 6 years that has brought me to conclusions and created feelings in me that I am not proud of. For the first time in my life I have actually come to loathe people and feel a sense of terror about being stuck with them. This is not particularly politically 'correct' when put into words, unfortunately, but I can't think of any other way to express it.

I moved to a town6 yrs ago in which I don't have much in common with the residents. It isn't unusual, just an ordinary large town which at one time contained more diversity, but in recent years has become very insular and homogenous. Everyone is angry, anti social, or depressed. If you don't openly discuss some sort of prejudice (racism, sexism, anti-intellectualism) you're 'soft in the head' or a 'bloody weirdo'.
Wherever I go here, in any direction, you will either see kids or drunk adults destroying property, or else screaming at each other in the street. There are a few select areas that are less challenging and rough, but the vibe is somehow the same.

Education or reading is a mugs game, football is the only passion, kids are yelled at for merely existing. Any conversation with a seemingly friendly stranger results in them wishing all the foreigners to go home. There is a general air of brutality to everything, a leathery, hard resistance to any kind of sensitivity whatsoever. Art, creativity and self reflection are suspicious, and the only permissible clothing is black or sport branded. Every damned street is choked with the fumes of endlessly revved up vehicles with ear splitting exhaust modifications. The environment is filthy, full of dog shit and bordering on dereliction.

I would once have considered all of this a problem of poverty, but it isn't quite that easy to determine, having witnessed it. There is no seeming variation in behaviour across income brackets here, it looks to be more cultural than income related, although the attitude towards learning, etc will obviously have the effect of creating more poverty regardless. It is like a self perpetuating cesspit of no hope and hard hearts. I thought i was a leftie, a socialist, but when I leave here I will be fucking marked by this and hope to never exist within it ever again.

We moved here for DP's work and are set to leave this coming year. I also appreciate that the residents and I have experienced very different upbringings and we do not share much in common, but even so, I think that you have to endure this to really, really see it, to come to fear it. It is easy to sit in a comfy armchair miles from it and 'defend' this stuff because you haven't truly sampled the existential sickness of it on your own doorstep.
I wish i didn't feel it, but it is difficult to lie to oneself, and the fear has probably evolved from having felt 'stuck' in it for so long. I wfh and DP does part time (some here regard us as 'pretentious' for this and have suggested we ought to do some 'real' work). It all feels very dated and odd, to be surrounded by values that repulse me and contain so little diversity. I mean, this is the type of place where you'll get side-eyed for cooking from scratch or having the audacity to flavour a dish with pesto.

Does this mean I loathe them? I don't know. I imagine I will chill with it when we have moved, as it all becomes a distant memory, but it has certainly left a mark. It feels wrong to state these feelings and observations, but I bet I am not the only one who has thought them....

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OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:27

@KatherineJaneway

I bet you'd love it here, why not move? Come and warm to the charm and down-to-earthiness! I bet you'd shit yourself if you did.

We can't because you won't say where it is Grin

im saving you the heartache Grin
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logsonlogsoff · 30/11/2021 10:29

I’m guessing that you aren’t naming the place as you know people will start talking about the positives of their experiences there, and you realise that’s it’s not them, it’s you.

Figgygal · 30/11/2021 10:29

Sounds absolutely miserable I could not live in a place like that are you able to move

OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:29

@logsonlogsoff

You sound depressed, OP. I’m not sure moving will help you, if you’re fixated on all the negatives about people only. Still, a change of scene can sometimes help with depression, maybe get you out of your funk.
i am fucking depressed with this environment yes!

Most on MN know how important that is, especially if you have children (we dont). It is easy for people to pick my words apart but more difficult to offer constructive thoughts and ideas. If someone isn't experiencing this, it just makes me look ignorant of course. It is always easy to be forgiving when one doesn't have to live with it.

We are lucky to be able to move any time, but got a lot to sort first.

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bonitaaurelia · 30/11/2021 10:31

Any small clues? North or south?

OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:31

@logsonlogsoff

I’m guessing that you aren’t naming the place as you know people will start talking about the positives of their experiences there, and you realise that’s it’s not them, it’s you.
Why so black and white? they are doing nothing 'wrong', even if there are some unpleasant attitudes. But then, neither am i. We are just very different, so it is not good for me as i am the odd one out here i guess. I was not odd where i grew up or where i have previously loved. Swings and roundabouts. Sadly i have come to fear and loathe this lot, and i would love to challenge that and not feel it!
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NovemberNovemberDarkNights · 30/11/2021 10:34

@ChrissyPlummer

It sounds a bit like where I live (though worse - and I didn’t think that was possible!). I’d do anything to move away again, but we just can’t afford it at the moment without taking a huge hit on our savings

I too, feel trapped and it is one source of my anxiety and depression.

'Chrissy' you need to read that back to yourself. You'd do ^anything to move*. It's a source of your anxiety & depression...

But you don't want to take a hit to your savings?

What????

What are your saving for that you won't spend them on moving to an area that doesn't make you anxious & depressed??

TheYearOfSmallThings · 30/11/2021 10:34

Some places are better than others, and some places are probably shitholes through and through.

However...you moved there, and you chose to stay there. I hate when people badmouth the place they have chosen to go, and to stay - it is like inviting yourself into someone else's house, and sitting in their house for years, complaining bitterly about the accomodation.

OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:34

I would love to hear how to fix this, not feel it! If any of you have experienced this and managed to come to love it like a fucking zen master, i would welcome your helpful advice!

can people honestly say they would like it in a place like this and think themselves ignorant for noticing the rot?

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femfemlicious · 30/11/2021 10:34

@TheCatWearsPrada

Every single person in your area is an arsehole? That's unfortunate and very unusual.
😂😂😂😂😂
CactusLemonSpice · 30/11/2021 10:35

I think you need to move, you're already feeling angry, the rage smog is going to get you, too!

Regularsizedrudy · 30/11/2021 10:35

You could easily be one of those people if you were born in different circumstances. Maybe be grateful that you are able to move away from it rather than thinking you are somehow naturally superior.

OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:35

yes, you CAN badmouth something that is regressive and prejudiced, as people do every day on MN.

I am allowed to hate this place in hindsight, absolutely.

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TheCatWearsPrada · 30/11/2021 10:36

@OnenessWithAllStrife I'm from a town that's considered a shit hole but there are many good people and plenty of good things happening but most people refuse too see any good. People judge based on where you live which is shit but you get used to it. If you hate it so much you leave, i had a neighbour like you who only saw the negative and despised us all for existing. Like you she was a pretentious snob

Iooselipssinkships · 30/11/2021 10:36

I'm going with Hull.

RedHot22 · 30/11/2021 10:36

You have to involve yourself into the community. I could go on but you’re moving anyway.

Have you considered where you’re moving to very carefully and how you plan to integrate into that society better?

OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:36

@Regularsizedrudy

You could easily be one of those people if you were born in different circumstances. Maybe be grateful that you are able to move away from it rather than thinking you are somehow naturally superior.
was awaiting a 'superior' comment tbh!

I mean, naturally.

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DaisyNGO · 30/11/2021 10:37

I can't tell how much of your post is hyperbole but this really stuck out

"Everyone is angry, anti social, or depressed."

That has happened in a lot of places. Many of us are living in it. We are hoping to move. But we aren't experiencing as a sort of hatred and contempt for everyone. We still have general sociability round here.

Play8063 · 30/11/2021 10:37

You are not a tree. If you don't like where you are, move.

MooseBreath · 30/11/2021 10:38

I have lived in a place that I hated. It was run down and rife with poverty, not at the fault of the residents. It did result in a lot of antisocial behaviour and I was so happy when I moved. It's very hard living somewhere like that.

That said, you are coming off as rather pretentious. Maybe you aren't as a person, but the fact that you're writing in 3rd person (one, oneself, etc.) does seem a bit holier-than-thou when you talk about people being anti-education and pro-football and tracksuits. Plus the fact that you haven't named the place means that people can't give you and constructive advice about the area.

OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:38

@RedHot22

You have to involve yourself into the community. I could go on but you’re moving anyway.

Have you considered where you’re moving to very carefully and how you plan to integrate into that society better?

i can integrate fine, have done for most of my life.

not sure why me hating a place makes me the problem. i fucking hate sexism too but i am not going to accept it to please anyone.

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MLMshouldbeillegal · 30/11/2021 10:39

Everyone is angry, anti social, or depressed.

Everyone? Everyone? Hardly.

Look, you clearly don;t like where you live but you chose to live there in the first place. And you're moving anyway. What's the point in starting a ranty, hyperbolic thread about how awful they all are, in your opinion?

0blio · 30/11/2021 10:39

You don't like it and it doesn't suit you. Rural villages, hipster areas, yuppie towns, very diverse/non diverse areas... don't suit everyone either.

You're moving away, you're doing the right thing for you (as some people are obviously happy and settled there) and hopefully you're grateful you're able to do that. I don't see the problem here.

OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:40

@MooseBreath

I have lived in a place that I hated. It was run down and rife with poverty, not at the fault of the residents. It did result in a lot of antisocial behaviour and I was so happy when I moved. It's very hard living somewhere like that.

That said, you are coming off as rather pretentious. Maybe you aren't as a person, but the fact that you're writing in 3rd person (one, oneself, etc.) does seem a bit holier-than-thou when you talk about people being anti-education and pro-football and tracksuits. Plus the fact that you haven't named the place means that people can't give you and constructive advice about the area.

I might hate the place but i have no wish to degrade it on the internet.

I didnt realise i may sound pretentious. That wasnt intended. Maybe i am just a terrible cunt.

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OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:41

Ok ladies it is sitting snugly and proudly between Manchester and Liverpool.

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