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AIBU to loathe the people here?

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OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:06

Some people say that feeling a negative emotion or having unpleasant feelings about something shouldn't define you, that you should let the thoughts flow and then let them go. OK. I hope this to be true :(

But i have lived somewhere for the past 6 years that has brought me to conclusions and created feelings in me that I am not proud of. For the first time in my life I have actually come to loathe people and feel a sense of terror about being stuck with them. This is not particularly politically 'correct' when put into words, unfortunately, but I can't think of any other way to express it.

I moved to a town6 yrs ago in which I don't have much in common with the residents. It isn't unusual, just an ordinary large town which at one time contained more diversity, but in recent years has become very insular and homogenous. Everyone is angry, anti social, or depressed. If you don't openly discuss some sort of prejudice (racism, sexism, anti-intellectualism) you're 'soft in the head' or a 'bloody weirdo'.
Wherever I go here, in any direction, you will either see kids or drunk adults destroying property, or else screaming at each other in the street. There are a few select areas that are less challenging and rough, but the vibe is somehow the same.

Education or reading is a mugs game, football is the only passion, kids are yelled at for merely existing. Any conversation with a seemingly friendly stranger results in them wishing all the foreigners to go home. There is a general air of brutality to everything, a leathery, hard resistance to any kind of sensitivity whatsoever. Art, creativity and self reflection are suspicious, and the only permissible clothing is black or sport branded. Every damned street is choked with the fumes of endlessly revved up vehicles with ear splitting exhaust modifications. The environment is filthy, full of dog shit and bordering on dereliction.

I would once have considered all of this a problem of poverty, but it isn't quite that easy to determine, having witnessed it. There is no seeming variation in behaviour across income brackets here, it looks to be more cultural than income related, although the attitude towards learning, etc will obviously have the effect of creating more poverty regardless. It is like a self perpetuating cesspit of no hope and hard hearts. I thought i was a leftie, a socialist, but when I leave here I will be fucking marked by this and hope to never exist within it ever again.

We moved here for DP's work and are set to leave this coming year. I also appreciate that the residents and I have experienced very different upbringings and we do not share much in common, but even so, I think that you have to endure this to really, really see it, to come to fear it. It is easy to sit in a comfy armchair miles from it and 'defend' this stuff because you haven't truly sampled the existential sickness of it on your own doorstep.
I wish i didn't feel it, but it is difficult to lie to oneself, and the fear has probably evolved from having felt 'stuck' in it for so long. I wfh and DP does part time (some here regard us as 'pretentious' for this and have suggested we ought to do some 'real' work). It all feels very dated and odd, to be surrounded by values that repulse me and contain so little diversity. I mean, this is the type of place where you'll get side-eyed for cooking from scratch or having the audacity to flavour a dish with pesto.

Does this mean I loathe them? I don't know. I imagine I will chill with it when we have moved, as it all becomes a distant memory, but it has certainly left a mark. It feels wrong to state these feelings and observations, but I bet I am not the only one who has thought them....

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OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 11:15

in case anyone missed it, the place is Wigan.

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KittensWearingWoollyMittens · 30/11/2021 11:15

Oops, missed the OP's comment that it is Wigan...

crackofdoom · 30/11/2021 11:15

I completely get you OP. There are kinds of poverty other than financial- poverty of aspiration, as mentioned, cultural poverty etc. Racism, brutality, anti intellectualism and closed mindedness doesn’t always go alongside financial poverty any more. Sounds like a lot of the people from your town can afford big shiny cars and probably own their own homes, but their horizons are very small and their aspirations are very low, enthusiastically fed by a media on a continuous diet of bigotry, football and anti intellectualism.

I actually come from a very wealthy area of the Home Counties, but it’s the same there, just politer. Grew up constantly being bullied for being a “swot”. Now I live happily as a single mum on benefits somewhere welcoming, open and culturally rich. It’s OK to have ideas and be interested in stuff here, even if you don’t own much materially, and that’s how I like it.

LittleoldTERFy · 30/11/2021 11:16

I feel the same about my old town OP - so I moved. When I visit family there it depresses the shit out of me.

DaisyNGO · 30/11/2021 11:16

@OnenessWithAllStrife

Yes i am angry being stuck with racist, sexist shit bags. I am tired of people abusing pets, setting fire to cars, spitting out of upstairs rooms onto the street, walking around with their hands in the pants juggling their balls. Im fucking tired of street shouting and seeing smashed windows.

I am obviously just angry, if i look at it differently it will all go away. It must be me!
It's ok to smack your kids around the face, leave dog shit on the pavements, shout at foreigners, block all passages along the canal with boozed up aggressive men, to see trash piled sky high at the end of your street.

i evidently am the problem.

just fucking tell me you'd be ok with this.

Many of us have lived with this

I'm the wrong colour, I get shouted at, dad was spat at fairly recently in his naice town.

I think it's the tone and the admission you were a leftie...though I guess props for admitting that.

There's just something really nasty about your first post that I can't put my finger on.

Where I've lived, there are pockets that I know are like that but an entire town?

My parents came here to signs saying "no dogs, no blacks, no Irish". They didn't write off the whole town. They even, shock horror, made friends.

buntybanana · 30/11/2021 11:17

@Siameasy

Ok X posted, not Medway lol. It sounds shit and some places are full of negative people and have a negative vibe. I totally get what you’re saying-I live in Kent and do encounter this anti-intellectual thought. Deeply unhappy people who hate difference.
Interesting, I though Kent was quite a middle class intellectual vibe. I stand corrected! Does it differ between west Kent and east Kent?
MrsTophamHat · 30/11/2021 11:17

I wouldn't be ok with it, no, but then I accept that there are unpleasant people in all walks of life, just like there are kind people in all walks of life.

I don't see how you can write off an entire town - without exception - as racist, without seeing the irony of that. It smacks of deserving/undeserving poor a bit.

OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 11:17

There are 'nice' areas in wigan, on the periphery, like parbold, wrightington, etc. makes no difference really. So if anyone wants to say wigan is lovely, you must come near to the town center, but bring a crash hat and some skunk.

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TheOccupier · 30/11/2021 11:17

Six years! It sounds shit but what are you doing to change anything? Have you done anything to contribute to the community?

Helpstopthepain · 30/11/2021 11:18

I lived somewhere similar although not as bad. I felt stuck and didn’t want that for my dc. I realised it was me, not them so got out.
I was the issue.

OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 11:19

@TheOccupier

Six years! It sounds shit but what are you doing to change anything? Have you done anything to contribute to the community?
there isnt a community. it isnt the cotswolds love.

we tried reporting regular arson attacks in the area and the drug farm next door. Police dont show up. Is that community spirited enough for you?

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CheshireChat · 30/11/2021 11:19

I thought you'd say Hull, I spent several lonely years there.

MLMshouldbeillegal · 30/11/2021 11:19

But you still haven't explained why you chose to live there in the first place...

Chocolatier9 · 30/11/2021 11:20

Is Barrow really that bad? I once applied for a job there and didn’t get it, despite being eminently qualified. It sounds such a lovely, remote part of the world and I was gutted, but everyone told me no, I wouldn’t have liked it, and no one ever seems to say anything nice about it. Even JK Rowling’s picture was less than complimentary!

OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 11:20

There's just something really nasty about your first post that I can't put my finger on

pent up frustration. it can do a number on us. apologies. a dam burst.

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TheYearOfSmallThings · 30/11/2021 11:20

just fucking tell me you'd be ok with this.

The thing is, I don't think you'd be any happier where I live (East London, stabby, few gang issues), but I find plenty to like. It's not like the rest of us live in Utopia.

All the anger isn't doing you any good...

OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 11:20

@MLMshouldbeillegal

But you still haven't explained why you chose to live there in the first place...
i did.
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buntybanana · 30/11/2021 11:21

@MLMshouldbeillegal

But you still haven't explained why you chose to live there in the first place...

Her husbands work I believe

DaisyNGO · 30/11/2021 11:21

"there isnt a community. it isnt the cotswolds love."

You'd complain about that too.

Most places have a community but often those who aren't looking for it won't find it.

Nowomenaroundeh · 30/11/2021 11:22

I feel stressed out reading your posts OP. I know exactly what you mean about it not being cheeky chappy types, the place I described in an earlier post did not have 'salt of the earth' people as was claimed by the estate agent. It had intimidating, violent, aggresssive people.

Wingutyoy · 30/11/2021 11:22

I'm the wrong colour, I get shouted at, dad was spat at fairly recently in his naice town.

Funnily enough my DP and I are white and had the exact experience in Nelson, Lancashire and Bradford, West Yorkshire. But then again we can`t say this can we!

MLMshouldbeillegal · 30/11/2021 11:23

OK so your husband works in Wigan. But that doesn't mean you had to choose to live there. Many, many people work in deprived / less desirable areas and commute from other places.

Where are you moving to?

ThousandsOfTulips · 30/11/2021 11:23

Interesting, I though Kent was quite a middle class intellectual vibe. I stand corrected! Does it differ between west Kent and east Kent?

Yes, massively. It's mainly the coastal parts that are very run down and backwards and full of bigoted people. The areas nearer the Sussex and Surrey borders are mostly lovely.

Nowomenaroundeh · 30/11/2021 11:23

@DaisyNGO

"there isnt a community. it isnt the cotswolds love."

You'd complain about that too.

Most places have a community but often those who aren't looking for it won't find it.

I am living for the first time in my life in a place with a really really strong community and i can tell you unequivocally that lots of places don't have a community.
Bluntness100 · 30/11/2021 11:25

Actually although I cannot comment on Wigan but by druggie brother moved to Easter house in glasgow in the eighties and it was horrific where he was, drugs, arson, gangs were rife, teens roaming the streets and destroying things, and windows were boarded up in the tenements and shops, fire damage visible on every street etc, it was like a crime wasteland that time forgot. I don’t know if it’s any better now, but back then it was really really bad. I’m sure there were nice people but you’d not want to stop and take the time to find out.

So places like the op describes do exist. I couldn’t comment if Wigan is one of them,