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AIBU to loathe the people here?

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OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:06

Some people say that feeling a negative emotion or having unpleasant feelings about something shouldn't define you, that you should let the thoughts flow and then let them go. OK. I hope this to be true :(

But i have lived somewhere for the past 6 years that has brought me to conclusions and created feelings in me that I am not proud of. For the first time in my life I have actually come to loathe people and feel a sense of terror about being stuck with them. This is not particularly politically 'correct' when put into words, unfortunately, but I can't think of any other way to express it.

I moved to a town6 yrs ago in which I don't have much in common with the residents. It isn't unusual, just an ordinary large town which at one time contained more diversity, but in recent years has become very insular and homogenous. Everyone is angry, anti social, or depressed. If you don't openly discuss some sort of prejudice (racism, sexism, anti-intellectualism) you're 'soft in the head' or a 'bloody weirdo'.
Wherever I go here, in any direction, you will either see kids or drunk adults destroying property, or else screaming at each other in the street. There are a few select areas that are less challenging and rough, but the vibe is somehow the same.

Education or reading is a mugs game, football is the only passion, kids are yelled at for merely existing. Any conversation with a seemingly friendly stranger results in them wishing all the foreigners to go home. There is a general air of brutality to everything, a leathery, hard resistance to any kind of sensitivity whatsoever. Art, creativity and self reflection are suspicious, and the only permissible clothing is black or sport branded. Every damned street is choked with the fumes of endlessly revved up vehicles with ear splitting exhaust modifications. The environment is filthy, full of dog shit and bordering on dereliction.

I would once have considered all of this a problem of poverty, but it isn't quite that easy to determine, having witnessed it. There is no seeming variation in behaviour across income brackets here, it looks to be more cultural than income related, although the attitude towards learning, etc will obviously have the effect of creating more poverty regardless. It is like a self perpetuating cesspit of no hope and hard hearts. I thought i was a leftie, a socialist, but when I leave here I will be fucking marked by this and hope to never exist within it ever again.

We moved here for DP's work and are set to leave this coming year. I also appreciate that the residents and I have experienced very different upbringings and we do not share much in common, but even so, I think that you have to endure this to really, really see it, to come to fear it. It is easy to sit in a comfy armchair miles from it and 'defend' this stuff because you haven't truly sampled the existential sickness of it on your own doorstep.
I wish i didn't feel it, but it is difficult to lie to oneself, and the fear has probably evolved from having felt 'stuck' in it for so long. I wfh and DP does part time (some here regard us as 'pretentious' for this and have suggested we ought to do some 'real' work). It all feels very dated and odd, to be surrounded by values that repulse me and contain so little diversity. I mean, this is the type of place where you'll get side-eyed for cooking from scratch or having the audacity to flavour a dish with pesto.

Does this mean I loathe them? I don't know. I imagine I will chill with it when we have moved, as it all becomes a distant memory, but it has certainly left a mark. It feels wrong to state these feelings and observations, but I bet I am not the only one who has thought them....

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mustlovegin · 02/12/2021 16:03

You sound bigoted, smug, melodramatic and hard work OP.

Also 'fear' is a too strong an emotion for the context you describe. You would benefit from getting some help

Peregrina · 02/12/2021 16:03

I can agree about technical education - the very good Tomlinson report of the early 2000s wasn't implemented.

I just don't agree about grammar schools - they were not all havens of excellence for one thing - girls schools especially didn't encourage too much ambition. There were never enough places anyway and even so, it is not really possible to sort people into academic sheep and non academic goats by the age of 10. Witness large numbers of people who didn't have the education they deserved who went on to get OU degrees when that came into being.

Kent has I believe effectively opened at least one new grammar school by making it an extension of an existing one, but it's in a town some miles away!

TheRigatonini · 02/12/2021 16:14

@mustlovegin

You sound bigoted, smug, melodramatic and hard work OP.

Also 'fear' is a too strong an emotion for the context you describe. You would benefit from getting some help

And you sound just lovely.
ThousandsOfTulips · 02/12/2021 16:24

@Peregrina

I can agree about technical education - the very good Tomlinson report of the early 2000s wasn't implemented.

I just don't agree about grammar schools - they were not all havens of excellence for one thing - girls schools especially didn't encourage too much ambition. There were never enough places anyway and even so, it is not really possible to sort people into academic sheep and non academic goats by the age of 10. Witness large numbers of people who didn't have the education they deserved who went on to get OU degrees when that came into being.

Kent has I believe effectively opened at least one new grammar school by making it an extension of an existing one, but it's in a town some miles away!

That was a new policy introduced by TM was it not? Even expanding the existing ones was prohibited for decades. So obviously there are nowhere near enough places because population has increased enormously since the 1960s/70s!!

I'm not saying it was a perfect system. No system is. Instead of being destroyed it should have been modernised with good non-academic options available, and also a system for late bloomers to move to grammar school later, not ab absolute cut-off at 11.

But to deny the huge benefits of a system aiming to make an academic education available based on the ability of the child rather than money is just dogmatic in my view and doesn't do anybody any favours.

TheseBootsWereMadeForSitting · 02/12/2021 17:15

In all my years on here, I have never come across a set of posts from one poster that displayed so much obvious stereotyping and been allowed to stay up.

Everyone in Wigan is in possession of every bad aspect a high class outsider might garner from binge watching Shameless and similar middle class poverty porn, both fiction and "ooh, look at the scummy poor people" documentaries?

No area is completely filled with identikit humans for a start.
That is impossible.
OP speaks as if someone too that Frank person from Shameless and photocopied him 400,098 times,

I am actually surprised that OP left out the fucking everything that moves, including their own underage relatives. Although, I am pretty sure that would have been there if they did not reckon on it getting their thread deleted.

I have lived in several areas, post industrial shit holes to use OPs parlance, where I certainly came across some with traits attributed to what OP like to call "shit bags" but not all in the same person and not a large number of such individuals. Those that did display some of it were universally frowned upon by their other working class neighbours, not copied.

While I am making zero allegations of outright dishonesty here, I am highly suspicious of either embellishments or just plain seeing only what one wants to see, from a distance without bothering to engage with their local townfolk.

DottyHarmer · 02/12/2021 17:34

I too am surprised that the posts haven’t attracted much criticism. Everyone likes their own tribe. But to sound so full of vitriol about others who are not very naice is rather unsettling. I hope the neighbours pass muster in the OP’s next abode. Woe betide anyone who fails to be “diverse” , or is “dated”. I hope the new neighbours don’t knock on my door and demand to know if I’m sensitive and creative. And pesto… so 15 years ago.

TheRigatonini · 02/12/2021 18:26

@TheseBootsWereMadeForSitting

In all my years on here, I have never come across a set of posts from one poster that displayed so much obvious stereotyping and been allowed to stay up.

Everyone in Wigan is in possession of every bad aspect a high class outsider might garner from binge watching Shameless and similar middle class poverty porn, both fiction and "ooh, look at the scummy poor people" documentaries?

No area is completely filled with identikit humans for a start.
That is impossible.
OP speaks as if someone too that Frank person from Shameless and photocopied him 400,098 times,

I am actually surprised that OP left out the fucking everything that moves, including their own underage relatives. Although, I am pretty sure that would have been there if they did not reckon on it getting their thread deleted.

I have lived in several areas, post industrial shit holes to use OPs parlance, where I certainly came across some with traits attributed to what OP like to call "shit bags" but not all in the same person and not a large number of such individuals. Those that did display some of it were universally frowned upon by their other working class neighbours, not copied.

While I am making zero allegations of outright dishonesty here, I am highly suspicious of either embellishments or just plain seeing only what one wants to see, from a distance without bothering to engage with their local townfolk.

The local townsfolk? 🤣🤣

I grew up living and hanging out on a council estate and there are plenty of people like the people in Shameless – that is why it‘s funny. And I know a lot of people who live (or grew up on it have lived) on those type of estates who liked it for that reason. So much of it is recognisable, but it’s affectionate.

every bad aspect a high class outsider might garner from binge watching Shameless and similar middle class poverty porn

I don’t think you’re speaking as an insider somehow.

And of course the OP is making generalisations, her post is about the aspects of her environment that she’s feeling fed up about – what’s she going to do, paste a diary of events from the last 4 years and leave us to work out what she’s getting at.

The OP also clearly says that she’s grappling with how she feels as before she lived where she does she did not have such a negative impression and perhaps even judged people a bit who did. Her whole post is about feeling uncomfortable that she is now observing evidence for some of the stereotypes that she previously prided herself on not buying into.

5128gap · 03/12/2021 09:48

The OP has included just enough genuine issues, crime, child neglect, animal cruelty to trigger empathy and outrage, and these function as a smokescreen for her unpleasant attacks on a less affluent culture. The colourful language and controversial nature of the post (in a week where class appears to be a bit of a theme) suggest someone looking for 15 minutes of fame/attention. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence (or even an ability to Google Wigan) will know that an entire town cannot be like this. Certain areas, yes, but the whole place? Insulting to the intelligence to expect people to take it seriously.

TopCatsTopHat · 03/12/2021 10:22

Well said TheRigatonini

Pipsquiggle · 03/12/2021 10:51

@TheseBootsWereMadeForSitting

In all my years on here, I have never come across a set of posts from one poster that displayed so much obvious stereotyping and been allowed to stay up.

Everyone in Wigan is in possession of every bad aspect a high class outsider might garner from binge watching Shameless and similar middle class poverty porn, both fiction and "ooh, look at the scummy poor people" documentaries?

No area is completely filled with identikit humans for a start.
That is impossible.
OP speaks as if someone too that Frank person from Shameless and photocopied him 400,098 times,

I am actually surprised that OP left out the fucking everything that moves, including their own underage relatives. Although, I am pretty sure that would have been there if they did not reckon on it getting their thread deleted.

I have lived in several areas, post industrial shit holes to use OPs parlance, where I certainly came across some with traits attributed to what OP like to call "shit bags" but not all in the same person and not a large number of such individuals. Those that did display some of it were universally frowned upon by their other working class neighbours, not copied.

While I am making zero allegations of outright dishonesty here, I am highly suspicious of either embellishments or just plain seeing only what one wants to see, from a distance without bothering to engage with their local townfolk.

@TheseBootsWereMadeForSitting - OP was talking about where she lived and her experience She revealed she was talking about Wigan and then in a later post she said she lived near the centre of Wigan.

Have you ever been to the centre of Wigan? It is a shit hole. And OP accurately describes the lack of ambition and drive of this specific cohort which have under-invested in for generations.

Of course - there are more affluent parts of all these post industrial towns - Wigan, Blackburn, Burnley etc. however, affluent relative to the town - we're not talking Guildford or Sandhurst.

I don't think it helped that OP had moved from Kendal - which is just beautiful and a real community town (I have relatives that live there)

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