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No Religious Christmas cards

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mumofEandE · 28/11/2021 23:05

I was in one of those 'cheap card shops' and a customer asked if there were any Religious Christmas cards.
There weren't.
I am not a practising Christian/ or practising anything (!) but this really made me feel that this is wrong!

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mustlovegin · 01/12/2021 13:09

Stating something over and over again doesn't make it true

Non-Christians take advantage of the bank holidays and do their own thing too. That doesn't mean that Christmas has evolved into a secular festival.

depremesnil · 01/12/2021 13:11

@mustlovegin

Stating something over and over again doesn't make it true

Non-Christians take advantage of the bank holidays and do their own thing too. That doesn't mean that Christmas has evolved into a secular festival.

Not for everyone, but it is for some.

Why do you care what non-Christians do at Christmas?

Ellen888 · 01/12/2021 13:16

deprinesmil,
"Good for them. But what has that got to do with Christmas?"

The French don't accept that body of water as the 'English Channel' so they call it something else.

mustlovegin · 01/12/2021 13:16

Why do you care what non-Christians do at Christmas?

I don't.

But I do not welcome religion being despised (while for instance paganism hailed as it's oh so cool Hmm) , being called a zombie, some suggesting that virtually no one stocks religious cards anymore as they don't sell and other general nuttery spouted on this thread. Am I allowed?

depremesnil · 01/12/2021 13:24

@Ellen888

deprinesmil, "Good for them. But what has that got to do with Christmas?"

The French don't accept that body of water as the 'English Channel' so they call it something else.

That doesn't really answer my question.
Ellen888 · 01/12/2021 13:24

speakout,

your lack of logic leaves me breathless

"If I could live in a world where religion does not impact me I would be happy.
The foundations of our patriarchial society are built on misogynistic christian ideas,, jesus is still stuff down the throats of our children in schools.
I would love to ignore christianity- I can't."

So why are you here on a thread about Christmas Cards ??!!

If you hate our 'patriarchal society' so much do something to change it, join a feminist group, if you hate Jesus, join the secular society, write to your MP about RK on the National Curriculum.

Lots of things you can do to avoid Christianity.

depremesnil · 01/12/2021 13:26

@mustlovegin

Why do you care what non-Christians do at Christmas?

I don't.

But I do not welcome religion being despised (while for instance paganism hailed as it's oh so cool Hmm) , being called a zombie, some suggesting that virtually no one stocks religious cards anymore as they don't sell and other general nuttery spouted on this thread. Am I allowed?

Funny, you've spent plenty of time on here deriding "Paganism".

And I don't see what's nutty about suggesting that if places don't have religious cards, it's because they don't sell as well as secular ones.

Ellen888 · 01/12/2021 13:28

deprenesmil,

The French have got a name for a body of water that is different to the one English use.

Ipso Facto;

If atheists hate Christmas they can call that time of the year something else.

depremesnil · 01/12/2021 13:36

@Ellen888

deprenesmil,

The French have got a name for a body of water that is different to the one English use.

Ipso Facto;

If atheists hate Christmas they can call that time of the year something else.

They can, but they don't have to.

Although I don't see anyone on here saying they hate Christmas.

FluffyBooBoo · 01/12/2021 13:55

But I do not welcome religion being despised

I don't think people necessarily despise the religious so much as they despise what has happened at a result of religion. I think they despise things that have happened because of religion. Abuse of people including children, conflict, abuse of power, bigotry, hate, marginalisation of women etc.

Any organisation that allows these things to happen within it, isn't one that is deserving of respect.

FluffyBooBoo · 01/12/2021 13:56

I did a bad job of editing that post.. apologies.

Chakraleaf · 01/12/2021 14:33

But christmas is still based on old tradition. Rebirth of the sun after solstice. Sounds similar.

Ellen888 · 01/12/2021 15:00

BooBoo

"I don't think people necessarily despise the religious so much as they despise what has happened at a result of religion. I think they despise things that have happened because of religion. Abuse of people including children, conflict, abuse of power, bigotry, hate, marginalisation of women etc.

Any organisation that allows these things to happen within it, isn't one that is deserving of respect."

May I suggest you read your history books?

The following actions were initiated by Communist/Atheist Regimes;

The Holocaust 6 million killed
China's Cultural Revolution 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50 -49-78,000,00 killed.
Stalin's Purges 1932-39 - 23,000,000 killed
North Korea 1948-1994 - 1,600,000 dead
Cambodia - 1975-1979 - 2.5 million dead
Bulgaria - 1944-1989 - 31,000 killed.
Romania 1945 - 100,000 killed
Cuba 1959/70 - political repression was responsible for 5-8,000 deaths

To try and lay all the examples of man's inhumanity to man at the feet of religion is a bit of a stretch. Only 7% of wars were based on religion.

depremesnil · 01/12/2021 15:05

@Ellen888

BooBoo

"I don't think people necessarily despise the religious so much as they despise what has happened at a result of religion. I think they despise things that have happened because of religion. Abuse of people including children, conflict, abuse of power, bigotry, hate, marginalisation of women etc.

Any organisation that allows these things to happen within it, isn't one that is deserving of respect."

May I suggest you read your history books?

The following actions were initiated by Communist/Atheist Regimes;

The Holocaust 6 million killed
China's Cultural Revolution 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50 -49-78,000,00 killed.
Stalin's Purges 1932-39 - 23,000,000 killed
North Korea 1948-1994 - 1,600,000 dead
Cambodia - 1975-1979 - 2.5 million dead
Bulgaria - 1944-1989 - 31,000 killed.
Romania 1945 - 100,000 killed
Cuba 1959/70 - political repression was responsible for 5-8,000 deaths

To try and lay all the examples of man's inhumanity to man at the feet of religion is a bit of a stretch. Only 7% of wars were based on religion.

Where did the poster say that bad things have only happened because of religion?
FluffyBooBoo · 01/12/2021 15:05

To try and lay all the examples of man's inhumanity to man at the feet of religion is a bit of a stretch

Yes, I agree with you. I didn't do that though.

It's entirely possible to dislike what some organised religions have been responsible for and also dislike what some atheist ones have been responsible for too.

The difference is, most atheists aren't generally aligned with the values of, say, Stalin or Hitler.

Most Christians do align themselves with the values of their churches.

depremesnil · 01/12/2021 15:05

And you say communist/atheist like they're the same thing.

MrsTerryPratchett · 01/12/2021 15:27

@Ellen888

BooBoo

"I don't think people necessarily despise the religious so much as they despise what has happened at a result of religion. I think they despise things that have happened because of religion. Abuse of people including children, conflict, abuse of power, bigotry, hate, marginalisation of women etc.

Any organisation that allows these things to happen within it, isn't one that is deserving of respect."

May I suggest you read your history books?

The following actions were initiated by Communist/Atheist Regimes;

The Holocaust 6 million killed
China's Cultural Revolution 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50 -49-78,000,00 killed.
Stalin's Purges 1932-39 - 23,000,000 killed
North Korea 1948-1994 - 1,600,000 dead
Cambodia - 1975-1979 - 2.5 million dead
Bulgaria - 1944-1989 - 31,000 killed.
Romania 1945 - 100,000 killed
Cuba 1959/70 - political repression was responsible for 5-8,000 deaths

To try and lay all the examples of man's inhumanity to man at the feet of religion is a bit of a stretch. Only 7% of wars were based on religion.

I personally know people who were sexually, physically and emotionally abused by priests (and sometimes nuns). I know their children (and sometimes grandchildren). I see the alcoholism, and violence and suicide from that. It's not just wars. It was schools FFS with small children. All over the world.

I also see that religion brings some people joy and peace. So it's a complicated thing.

And as @Ellen888 'don't call it Christmas' and @mustlovegin 'calling it Yule is twatty' have demonstrated, we can't win. So we might as well have the relationship with Christmas we decide we can live with. Whether that's throwing religious cards away or joining in with everything while knowing it's a story. And a decent story even for the non-believers; Jewish revolutionary sticks it to the Romans. And tells everyone to be nice. I'm not a Tibetan Buddhist but it doesn't mean I can't quote the Dalai Lama.

mustlovegin · 01/12/2021 15:36

To try and lay all the examples of man's inhumanity to man at the feet of religion is a bit of a stretch

^This

bigbluebus · 01/12/2021 15:41

Packs of 10 cards with a religious theme are easy enough the fjnd. As a previous poster said, charity shops usually have them. It's the individual cards I used to struggle to get. Always wanted one for my religious parents but struggled to get one.

bustersword · 01/12/2021 15:41

@mustlovegin

To try and lay all the examples of man's inhumanity to man at the feet of religion is a bit of a stretch

^This

Good job no one is doing that then.
MrsTerryPratchett · 01/12/2021 15:50

@mustlovegin

To try and lay all the examples of man's inhumanity to man at the feet of religion is a bit of a stretch

^This

Some of them though. I mean entire nations of people affected can't have slipped you by.
Ellen888 · 01/12/2021 16:04

Mrs TP,
"Some of them though. I mean entire nations of people affected can't have slipped you by."

Examples, please.

Ellen888 · 01/12/2021 16:06

Mrs TP
'we can't win'

What is it you actually want to "win" ?

ErrolTheDragon · 01/12/2021 16:17

What is it you actually want to "win" ?

Maybe acceptance that people can call the thing that happens near the end of December whatever they want, and celebrate it (or not) however they like without being criticised one way or the other by a few people who appear to think they own it?
Maybe we'd all like a bit of 'peace on Earth, goodwill to all people'?

MrsTerryPratchett · 01/12/2021 16:27

@Ellen888

Mrs TP, "Some of them though. I mean entire nations of people affected can't have slipped you by."

Examples, please.

The Esquimalt Nation, the Malahat First Nation, the T'Sooke Nation... you know what, listing every single Nation in North America from West to East will take too long. You get the idea. Then there's Nicaragua with illegal abortion, recent changes to law in Poland, equal marriage pretty much everywhere was delayed or blocked, gay people everywhere treated poorly and even killed.

My fingers are tired. Do you understand what I mean about whole nations now?