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AIBU to not want to be an unmarried SAHM?

522 replies

EnglishMuffins · 27/11/2021 12:49

Just wondering what people’s thoughts are on my situation.

I was married for several years and had 2 DC with my exH. I had always worked part time to be around for our young DC in a general admin job. Upon divorce , exH stayed in marital home and bought me out of my share. I took some furniture, no savings (in fact debts that needing reconciling) and no claim to his pension as he said the pot was too small to even consider sharing it 50/50 after only a few years being married.
I lived with family as I couldn’t afford to buy or rent on my PT salary, and we share custody of our DC 50/50.

Fast forward a couple of years and I met DP. He was also a divorcee. Their split was amicable, no DC involved. We bought a house together about 18 months into our relationship and soon after we unexpectedly fell pg (I said unexpectedly as there are fertility issues on both sides but a blessing all the same and we were delighted).
When our child was born we decided I would give up my job to be a full time SAHM. We also needed a bigger house so sold up and moved , but this time my name was no longer on the mortgage as my lack of income decreased our borrowing prospects. So my initial lump sum I invested into our first property (from my divorce settlement) which had also grown as property prices went up in value and the mortgage was paid off (I might add that for 18 months I contributed towards the mortgage and bills) is now tied up in a house that is in DP sole name. I feel naive but he said that we’d just have to base it on “trust”.

My issue is, I really thought that by now, DP would have proposed marriage. He’s not dead set against it, but he says things like “don’t do it!!” When we drive past weddings and things , and I just generally get the feeling he doesn’t see a second marriage in his future. Our child is almost 2, ive given up on my job, a career, paying into a pension, independence , I sold my little car.. have no savings or means to save , am solely reliant on DP wages . Meanwhile he is climbing the career ladder, paying into a pension, accruing savings and saving what I imagine would be a vast monthly sum in childcare costs.
AIBU to expect him to marry me? I just feel I’m in a vulnerable position, with nothing to fall back on. I want a secure future for my child and my DC from my previous marriage. I would even like to share a name with DP and our child and I guess rubber seal our family unit? So both financially, and romantically, I’d like to be married - but DP has no interest . Then part of me feels like a gold-digger for thinking he should marry me and give up 50:50 if we were to split.

What are the legal implications of not being married vs being married?
DP has a will, I don’t. DP has insurance through work that would pay off the mortgage - I guess this would be taxed? I have life insurance. No savings and a tiny pension from my PT job.

OP posts:
Bluntness100 · 27/11/2021 13:07

That’s quite astonishing, did you not even consider having a legal agreement drawn up to protect your investment, you literally just gave up every single thing to be with this man, your money, your car, your home, your job?

I think you need to stop focusing on how you can force this man to marry you and start focusing on how you get back into work and start to build some financial independence and protection.

Bluntness100 · 27/11/2021 13:09

Does his will leave th house to you? Have you seen it?

Hankunamatata · 27/11/2021 13:09

Well you dont need to be married. You do need to go get legal advice to ring fence your deposit in the house, start a private pension that's paid out of the bill money and start savings in your own name out of the bill money.

neithernever · 27/11/2021 13:10

I think you need to forget marriage and get a job asap, get back on the mortgage and the deeds to the house?

Hankunamatata · 27/11/2021 13:11

Dont see why your name cant be on the deeds!

neithernever · 27/11/2021 13:13

Dont see why your name cant be on the deeds!

The mortgage and the deeds need to match don't they? So if OP can't go on the mortgage then she can't go on the deeds?

Wombat46 · 27/11/2021 13:15

Who told you being on the mortgage would reduce your borrowing?

I've always been on the many mortgages we've had & that's never been the case for us.

I'd be very suspicious that he's actually protecting his assets.

NearlyThereMum · 27/11/2021 13:15

@EnglishMuffins

Just wondering what people’s thoughts are on my situation.

I was married for several years and had 2 DC with my exH. I had always worked part time to be around for our young DC in a general admin job. Upon divorce , exH stayed in marital home and bought me out of my share. I took some furniture, no savings (in fact debts that needing reconciling) and no claim to his pension as he said the pot was too small to even consider sharing it 50/50 after only a few years being married.
I lived with family as I couldn’t afford to buy or rent on my PT salary, and we share custody of our DC 50/50.

Fast forward a couple of years and I met DP. He was also a divorcee. Their split was amicable, no DC involved. We bought a house together about 18 months into our relationship and soon after we unexpectedly fell pg (I said unexpectedly as there are fertility issues on both sides but a blessing all the same and we were delighted).
When our child was born we decided I would give up my job to be a full time SAHM. We also needed a bigger house so sold up and moved , but this time my name was no longer on the mortgage as my lack of income decreased our borrowing prospects. So my initial lump sum I invested into our first property (from my divorce settlement) which had also grown as property prices went up in value and the mortgage was paid off (I might add that for 18 months I contributed towards the mortgage and bills) is now tied up in a house that is in DP sole name. I feel naive but he said that we’d just have to base it on “trust”.

My issue is, I really thought that by now, DP would have proposed marriage. He’s not dead set against it, but he says things like “don’t do it!!” When we drive past weddings and things , and I just generally get the feeling he doesn’t see a second marriage in his future. Our child is almost 2, ive given up on my job, a career, paying into a pension, independence , I sold my little car.. have no savings or means to save , am solely reliant on DP wages . Meanwhile he is climbing the career ladder, paying into a pension, accruing savings and saving what I imagine would be a vast monthly sum in childcare costs.
AIBU to expect him to marry me? I just feel I’m in a vulnerable position, with nothing to fall back on. I want a secure future for my child and my DC from my previous marriage. I would even like to share a name with DP and our child and I guess rubber seal our family unit? So both financially, and romantically, I’d like to be married - but DP has no interest . Then part of me feels like a gold-digger for thinking he should marry me and give up 50:50 if we were to split.

What are the legal implications of not being married vs being married?
DP has a will, I don’t. DP has insurance through work that would pay off the mortgage - I guess this would be taxed? I have life insurance. No savings and a tiny pension from my PT job.

You will be entitled to literally nothing if your relationship ends. This is essentially putting all the power in his hands as you presumably could not afford to leave if you wanted/ needed to. Please seek advice about this from a professional, you are making yourself very vulnerable
NoSquirrels · 27/11/2021 13:15

What are the legal implications of not being married vs being married?

If you’re not married and your name is not on the house deeds legally you get nothing in the event of his death, unless his will leaves the house and his money to you. If you split up, you get nothing at all.

You are incredibly vulnerable.

You need a big conversation about financial security, with or without the ‘romance’ of marriage.

Your pension needs considering.

ImprobablePuffin · 27/11/2021 13:15

Blimey! Why on earth did you let yourself get into such a precarious position?!

Why did you think it was ok to just hand all your money over based on trust?!

I don't want to be mean but this is absolutely nuts.

FreedomFaith · 27/11/2021 13:16

Wow you've been taken for a ride by two men. You've lost two houses, have 3 children, no pension, no money, no security.

I don't think you're going to listen to anything said here. I mean you'll have had the second house issue explained to you by a solicitor and you decided they were wrong. Why are we any different? He isn't going to marry you, he's made that quite clear. The advice given above is what you need to follow, all of it, but I suspect you won't.

whateverintheworld · 27/11/2021 13:16

@neithernever - no lender would allow someone an ownership interest in a property they have a charge over who is not subject to the mortgage

WTF475878237NC · 27/11/2021 13:17

Oh no. I feel genuinely worried for you. Seek legal advice asap.

Lockheart · 27/11/2021 13:19

@neithernever

Dont see why your name cant be on the deeds!

The mortgage and the deeds need to match don't they? So if OP can't go on the mortgage then she can't go on the deeds?

No. A person's name can be on the deeds but not the mortgage.

The mortgage is an agreement with your bank, and it is separate to the legal ownership of a property.

You can share ownership of a property without sharing the liability to the bank.

For example, two people who buy a property may be able to get a better mortgage deal if only one of them is on the mortgage - this may be because the other has a poor credit history. However, they could both be on the deeds of the house and share ownership.

Lockheart · 27/11/2021 13:22

[quote whateverintheworld]@neithernever - no lender would allow someone an ownership interest in a property they have a charge over who is not subject to the mortgage[/quote]
It is not impossible to have two names on property deeds but only one person with the mortgage:

www.pocketpence.co.uk/good-one-mortgage-two-names-deed-12268407.html

TrufflesAndToast · 27/11/2021 13:23

See a solicitor pronto and stop being so passive in your relationships! Put your children’s interests first, pull up your big girl pants and live your life like an independent adult and stop relying on men. Sorry if that’s blunt but my goodness you have been foolish.

Quartz2208 · 27/11/2021 13:25

I cannot believe you have put money into a house that you have no claim to at all.

Ues you should be married and you need legal advice as well as to your current position

ChargingBuck · 27/11/2021 13:25

no claim to his pension as he said the pot was too small to even consider sharing it 50/50 after only a few years being married.
& you took his word for that? Didn't think to ask a lawyer?

but this time my name was no longer on the mortgage as my lack of income decreased our borrowing prospects
Lose the passive voice, & re-read:
"I allowed my new DP to tell me it was ok not to be on the deeds, because our decision for me to SAHM meant I would not initially be contributing to the monthly repayments."

So my initial lump sum I invested into our first property (from my divorce settlement) which had also grown as property prices went up in value and the mortgage was paid off (I might add that for 18 months I contributed towards the mortgage and bills) is now tied up in a house that is in DP sole name. I feel naive but he said that we’d just have to base it on “trust”.
Good grief.
You allowed your con artist new DP to appropriate ALL of your capital, which he now holds in bricks & mortar in solely his own name?

DP has insurance through work that would pay off the mortgage
Not to your benefit or comfort OP.
Unless he has named you as direct beneficiary in a separate & binding Will? (even if he had, he could change it on a moment's whim)

My issue is, I really thought that by now, DP would have proposed marriage
Again, with the passivity.
Why are you not acting with agency over your own life, instead of allowing men to be the deciders of your fate?

AIBU to expect him to marry me?
Wrong question.
Do you want to marry him? Then ask him to marry you.

OP, I am really sorry you are now in this invidious situation, & I do not trust your DP an inch. What human being takes another's money "on trust", refuses the parent of their child who they allegedly are in love with equal rights to the family home, & takes all the benefits of being with said co-parent, while any benefits to her must be left to the vagaries of "trust"?

Ask him to marry you, then please come back to MN for advice if he declines, because you are in a deep hole & need support to bring yourself out of it.

Either way, your seriously need to address your issues with establishing your own independence, instead of relying on the (unforthcoming) goodwill of the men you fall in love with.
Again, apologies for the lack of soft speech here, but I am keen for you to wake up & smell the fraudulence coffee.
Flowers

HappyMeal564 · 27/11/2021 13:25

You don't have to get a full time job if you want to be at home with your kids. You do need to get your name on the deeds to the house, you won't have a leg to stand on, at the moment you've basically given him a deposit for a house. You not earning doesn't mean you can't be named on the deeds. Do you get child benefit? That is classed as an earning and adds value to your mortgage application.

category12 · 27/11/2021 13:26

Wow.

www.citizensadvice.org.uk/family/living-together-marriage-and-civil-partnership/living-together-and-marriage-legal-differences

Isn't it lovely that you are expected to trust him and take 100% of the risk of joint choices, while he takes 0% of the risk?

TheWholeWorld · 27/11/2021 13:30

What the fuck have I just read. You've given someone your savings for a house that doesn't have your name on it?

Your poor bloody children.

Seeingadistance · 27/11/2021 13:31

Bloody hell!

OP, you need to stop being a passive bystander in your own life!

As per previous posts - see a solicitor, take back control, and stop being dependent on a man for everything.

vivainsomnia · 27/11/2021 13:33

Get a FT job. You pay half the childcare each. Stop being so passive
This! Marriage is what people do when they are both ready. If he isn't, then you just have to support yourself.

At the moment, he is supporting your joint child but also the 2 children who are not his.

You need to go to work FT and make it clear that childcare is to be shared as are pick up and drop off, evening routines and housework.

Hippychicken1 · 27/11/2021 13:33

Well if he won’t marry you your basically fucked but I think you know that
You would be worse off second time than the first time as you have another child to support
Why on earth did you put money into a house without protecting it I really can’t get my head around that
I can understand the first time around you make a mistake but to do pretty much the same thing again but even worse is fucking crazy
You might as well have given it to a random stranger in the street
Your DP on the other hand will be fine as you said and he knows it
He probably knows exactly what he would lose if he marries you so most likely he won’t
A house in his own name that he didn’t solely invest his own money into
A good job and prospect and a decent pension
Yep he’s got it made

vivainsomnia · 27/11/2021 13:34

Oh and of course once you have a FT job, take him to the bank to add you on the mortgage and deeds.