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AIBU to think my SIL and BIL have been insensitive?

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IviSable · 25/11/2021 20:04

Hi everyone,

I'm looking to get some perspective from kind strangers.

Before I get into, here's a bit of context about my situation. My DH and I have had a hellish couple of years trying to start a family. We got pregnant naturally last year but this tragically ended in me having a termination for medical reasons quite far along into the second trimester. We have since undergone IVF, which very sadly ended in a chemical pregnancy. We're now looking to go into a second round of IVF asap.

Last year when we lost our baby, my SIL and BIL, who didn't at that time have any children, were supportive and appeared to understand how devastating this event was for us. After we lost the baby, DH and I put the wheels into motion to do IVF. We had a long 6 month wait before we could start our treatment. Early on into that 6 month period, I discover that my SIL and BIL are also going to do IVF, but as this is not something we discussed I didn't know the timescales for their IVF treatment.

At this point I started to worry about how my SIL and BIL would handle things if my SIL got pregnant before me, so I decided to contact SIL (who I wasn't on bad terms with but am not that close with either) to explain that should we find ourselves in that situation we'd need the matter to be dealt with sensitively and that I may need space from them. DH also had a similar discussion with his DB. Both my SIL and BIL said they understood and would be sensitive to us.

Fast forward a couple of months and I accidentally find out that my SIL is pregnant. This was completely unintended, but without going into too much detail (it's a bit long winded and I wouldn't want to give away too many of the details for fear of being identified) I found this out due to the carelessness of SIL and BIL. I was angry that they'd been so careless with our feelings despite knowing all we'd been through, so I cut contact with them both, only messaging on birthdays and to congratulate them when they finally publicly announced they were having a baby. DH didn't want me to tell them that we'd found out she was pregnant before they announced it, so we said nothing and I made my excuses and avoided them. This may seem extreme, but leading up to this I'd already started to strongly suspect that my SIL may be pregnant because of unusual behaviour by them - for example, SIL took a call on speaker phone from her family when we were all out together one day and immediately said to them that she was out with DH and I. It was apparent to me that she didn't want them saying something in front of us.

Fast forward another couple of months and SIL and BIL announce they're pregnant. Not long after this I get wind that SIL has been complaining that she feels no one on DH's side of the family is that excited for them. I found this out because my BIL told DH. This made DH feel guilty and so he approached me to say he was going to buy SIL a present for the baby. Now, I have no issue with DH doing this, but what I do take issue with is my BIL saying this to DH given the heartbreaking loss we had last year. SIL and BIL were aware at this point that we were going through IVF and that we'd already been through a lot. It was a massive kick in the teeth to hear that SIL was complaining about people not being excited for her pregnancy that was going well, and when she knew we were still going through IVF and all the anxiety that brings with it.

The final nail in the coffin was that they threw a baby shower with the whole family (not just women, which I thought was the norm but everyone) but me, given they know I wouldn't go. This to me was extremely poor taste under the circumstances. I have no issues with normal baby showers (SIL of course has every right to be excitement and celebrate), but to have a family party with both men and women was IMHO OTT and extremely insensitive.

SIL also never messaged me to say she understands why this may be difficult for us given all the loss we've had over the past couple of years. Had she acknowledged this just once to me, it would have gone a very long way, but there was nothing.

AIBU to feel they've been insensitive in light of our situation?

Thanks very much for any responses!

OP posts:
Wisteriac43 · 26/11/2021 16:22

I suspect when your friends are saying 'I wouldn't have answered the phone' they were just being your friend. It isn't an unusual thing to do. I'll echo what a few people have said above- please do consider counselling.

I've been on the other side of this - the SIL, although with more extreme behaviour. Crying, storming out of rooms, angry glares. It took quite bit to forgive and a lot of therapy. Is there anyway you could be the bigger person in this? It sounds like they made some clumsy mistakes - but they were mistakes. Try and feel the love towards the baby you would want for your own - the baby hasn't done anything wrong. Is there a gesture you could make towards them - a gift? Even a text acknowledging you've found it hard and are sorry if it's taken the shine off things for them.

UserOfManyNames · 26/11/2021 16:47

You sound like hard work OP. I imagine you were somewhat difficult before your fertility struggles too.

I say this as someone who went through a stillbirth after trying to conceive for two years then found out a close friend was expecting a few weeks later. I was horrified they were worrying they might upset me. My loss had no bearing on someone else having a baby and I certainly wouldn’t have projected my pain into anyone else or wanted people walking on eggshells around me.

I too think you should apologise to your BIL and sister in law.

Snaketime · 26/11/2021 17:07

Hi OP, I have read all you replies and see that you are doing some soul searching, have taken stock of what pp's have said and I don't think there is too much I can add really, but I didnt want to read and run.
I am so very sorry for you losses and the hard time you are going through. That said I do agree that yabu, I don't think they were being unsensitive, I think at best they were over thinking it too much and not wanting to upset you and at worst were too caught up in their own baby bubble.
Have you been receiving councilling for your loss OP, I didn't see anywhere that you mentioned you had or not, if you have answered that then I'm sorry.

hardboiledeggs · 26/11/2021 18:48

OP with every update you put on your still trying to justify your outrageous behaviour. As I’ve said, I feel for you but u need to stop before you push everyone away. You have no right to behave this way with your SIL and BIL. If I was them I’d have told you to fuck off at this point, your are putting a dampener in their news!

Wannakisstheteacher · 26/11/2021 18:53

When they were trying to get pregnant before they resorted to IVF did they ask you to hide your pregnancy or spend the entire time trying to make you feel shit about it?

JackieQueen · 26/11/2021 19:10

Sorry about your situation op, I really hope you get your happy ending one day Flowers

Offmyfence · 26/11/2021 19:10

@Wannakisstheteacher

When they were trying to get pregnant before they resorted to IVF did they ask you to hide your pregnancy or spend the entire time trying to make you feel shit about it?
They went straight to IVF
esloquehay · 26/11/2021 19:16

YABVVVU, totally self-absorbed and have an over-inflated sense of entitlement.
I am so sorry that you have suffered such a loss, however I think your attitude towards your BIL and SIL stinks.

Wannakisstheteacher · 26/11/2021 19:17

@Offmyfence no one goes to IVF for fun. Even if they went straight to IVF it must have been because they knew they would have issues getting pregnant. But it doesn’t seem like the SIL tried to make OP feel bad for being pregnant when she knew she’d need IVF and nothing is guaranteed with it.

steff13 · 26/11/2021 19:20

They went straight to IVF

The OP says they did. But does she REALLY know? They must have had an issue of some kind; IVF is difficult and expensive. No one chooses that if they can get pregnant naturally.

Bassetlover · 26/11/2021 19:42

Blimey! You are being VVU. Are you expecting them to keep their baby in a cupboard for the first year in case you accidentally see it?

Asi1 · 26/11/2021 19:59

Sorry for your loss.

Your demands for them to keep things low key is ridiculous and shows how insensitive you are actually being.

You can't control what other people should do and you are making a lot of assumptions even down to why they cut a phonecall short!!

They have a right to celebrate their news and their baby without tiptoeing around you. Its not okay for you to demand anything from them

Heronwatcher · 26/11/2021 20:02

Just to say that although I did think that your OP was U, I have read your updates and you sound really sensible and perceptive. I think that despite the harsh responses absolutely everyone can understand what you’re going though and how difficult it is. But for everyone’s sake yes you have to put on your game face and forgive them any minor slip ups. It will get easier in time, your niece or nephew will bring you so much joy, and I really hope it happens for you too.

Keeva2017 · 26/11/2021 20:06

Op you are being so incredibly unreasonable and honestly I think you are being quite cruel to your sister in law. This is her baby, she hadn’t taken anything from you.

Honestly if I was her or any of your dh family I’d be taking a massive step away from you. For one moment, try to remember that you are not the centre of the universe. These people don’t orbit around you, in a manor you decide.

I remember Mother’s Day after my loss. I sat with my mum and a pregnant friend and can remember the hurt. But for an hour I supported my friend, enjoyed seeing her happy for HER baby. Your jealousy will ruin your dhs relationship with his brother if you keep thinking like you are.

Thevoiceofreason2021 · 26/11/2021 20:10

Wow, you are completely self obsessed. I am sorry for your loss, but seriously, you don’t have “first dibs” on IVF or pregnancy. You need to se a therapist.

NeedAHoliday2021 · 26/11/2021 20:11

I really admire you for taking on board what people are saying. I’ll just add, you’ll never fully know the pain others feel behind closed doors. Your grief, and way of coping, won’t feel the same as others. While some people want low key, others, having faced IVF, want to go all out and shout it from the roof tops. Do you really want sil to totally play down her whole pregnancy and not fully enjoy it how she wants out of protecting you? That’s a really unfair expectation.

It sounds like they tried to be sensitive but the rumour slipped out. You’d said your piece so off course they didn’t invite you and put you in that position.

Take time to heal but also try to be happy for sil and bil. I hope you’ll have your own baby soon but don’t let the absence of that right now prevent you enjoying being an auntie. It can be a wonderful relationship to have - very different from being a mum but lovely.

TheBitchOfTheVicar · 26/11/2021 20:14

I would say that the behaviour you expected from your SIL would have indicated that her thoughts and actions completely centred you. This is not normal, not reasonable, to expect to be the centre of someone else's thoughts continually. Answering the phone, for example. Maybe she just answered it, without centring you in that action. An utterly reasonable thing to have done

bjjgirl · 26/11/2021 20:14

Is this a reverse?

YABVU

I am actually astounded

KaycePollard · 26/11/2021 20:18

Your jealousy will ruin your dhs relationship with his brother if you keep thinking like you are.

This is worth reflecting on.

bjjgirl · 26/11/2021 20:18

However, well done for taking the comments on Jordan and I really hope it has helped you gain perspective, I am so sorry for your loss

Bluntness100 · 26/11/2021 20:24

This is both sad and awful, your poor inlaws, who had to go through ivf to get pregnant having to deal with this. Any excitement or joy they feel to be hidden or stamped out by you, she’s not even allowed to answer her phone, and you even object to the scale of her baby shower.

I’m sorry you’re going through what yoire going through, but yout behaviour is bullying and unacceptable, you need to apologise to all concerned,

surreygirl1987 · 26/11/2021 20:39

Although I did comment earlier that you sounded very unreasonable, I think it's great you've taken onboard replies from people and you sound like you are really reflecting on this. I really respect you for that and I'm so sorry you're going through something so tough.

AngeloMysterioso · 26/11/2021 20:49

I think from the beginning I felt they wouldn't handle it as I hoped they would. The reason I felt this is firstly because this is a very emotionally charged situation and secondly because I (as well as others) have found them to be like this with other situations, which I've never taken them to task over (though others have).

What do you mean by “like this”? And how have people taken them to task over it?

pompomsgalore · 26/11/2021 20:58

OP you are allowed to feel sadness, grief, devastation, envy and agonising pain without the other party having done any wrong.
I've been in a very similar position and I was so angry and hurt that I looked to aim that at someone. I wanted to see them doing wrong and for them to deserve my anger. That's what I did and I can only realise than now after years and with hindsight they were just living their lives and having their pregnancy.

Are you having counselling?

Offmyfence · 26/11/2021 20:59

[quote Wannakisstheteacher]@Offmyfence no one goes to IVF for fun. Even if they went straight to IVF it must have been because they knew they would have issues getting pregnant. But it doesn’t seem like the SIL tried to make OP feel bad for being pregnant when she knew she’d need IVF and nothing is guaranteed with it.[/quote]
Where did I say they did it for fun, where did I say they didn't Beechlands to go straight to IVF?

I was merely pointing out they didn't "try naturally".