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Anyone else with an emotionally unavailable mum?

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Watchclock · 20/11/2021 22:31

Since as long as I can remember my mum has been so emotionally unavailable to me.
I’ve never been able to talk to her about anything really. Things like starting my period, I hid it from her until she found out packs of pads had been disappearing and found some of my underwear.
I never spoke to her about contraception when I started my first serious relationship at 15.
I started self harming around age 18 and she knew but said nothing and just took my means to self harming away which she found in my room.
I never told her I was pregnant until I was showing and couldn’t hide it.
These are just some of the key memories I have.
Having my own daughter who’s getting a bit older now I encourage her to talk about everything and always reassure her I’m there for her for anything.
The point to all this is that it’s been really tough, and I just wanted to talk to anyone else who might have similar mothers? I’m NC with my dad so that doesn’t help and if I’m honest it’s a really lonely situation.
All I’ve seen throughout my life is everyone else with such a good relationship with their mum and who’s mums are so helpful and caring and I don’t think others can relate.
I have metal health issues I think mainly as a result of my mum always being so cold towards me.

I have an amazing partner and some close dear friends I can confide in, but I know no one in real life in a similar situation with their mum and it would be nice to speak to someone who can understand where I’m coming from.

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AquaFaba · 24/11/2021 02:27

So many of these posts resonate!
So many instances of her being emotionally unavailable when I was growing up.
Periods: I used to hide the bloodied, balled up tissues in a plastic bag as I was too ashamed to ask her what to do.
I was bulimic from 13 onwards; weirdly, it felt like a release for feelings I'd kept locked up inside.
First pregnancy ended in miscarriage - I texted her on the way back from the hospital in a taxi (too sad to talk). No reply for days.
As a fortysomething now who came late to motherhood I am terrified of being like my mother.
Like so many here, she knows nothing about my life or my children. Her idea of being a grandparent was to constantly ask for photos to be sent to her on social media. She only lives an hour away - no interest in meeting up or
Actually being hands on with her grandchildren.
When on the occasional visit to coincide with Easter or Christmas, she would act as if she were a guest with me doing all the running around or stay in her room watching her iPad (while children downstairs). No interest on doing bedtime stories or bathtime with them.
I've long accepted she has no interest in me but seeing her being a crap grandmother made me go NC.
Siblings feel the same. My poor bro came back from living overseas during Covid. Instead of the warm welcome he had hoped for, she pulled a typical stunt as he was leaving saying 'I'm going to divorce your father'.

I feel very resigned to it but like so many others here envious of those who have good mums. My sil's mum comes over to stay with her and is hands on and interested. I don't have that and have really struggled with ill children work and lack of childcare support.
I'm very good at swallowing down my feelings and detaching myself from sadness and disappointment at not being loved by my mum. I wish it were different but I've accepted it will never change.
I'm terrified of turning out like her. One of the things that makes my heart melt is being able to tell my children just how fantastic and loved they are and that I'm going to love them when they are grown ups.

checkedcloth · 24/11/2021 03:53

My goodness. So many of these posts are similar to my relationship with my mother. I can very much identify with the sense of feeling responsible for my mother emotions and every interaction is like walking on egg shells, nothing is natural or flows.

My mother knows very little about my life, mostly because she doesn’t want to understand it. If I was to start a conversation about how busy my job is and the impact that’s having on me, she would just say ‘oh dear’. However soon after this she’ll be reminding me to send birthday cards to her friends that I have not seen in 10 years, despite the fact that I’ve not even had the time to do things for my family such as a food shop due to my work.

She shuts down any conversation and cannot offer any empathy or support.

I’ve caught her sending text messages about me to her friends that are unkind and when I confronted her she became ‘ill’ with the Worry. She cannot hold herself in that adult space of taking responsibility for what she’s done.

I’ve so many examples, these are a small selection. I have never had any sort of therapy but it’s something that deep down causes me some distress.

I have a DS and a DD. My life focus is not in anyway make them feel how I do/did. They are magnificent and I hope they know that I will always be there for them, unconditionally.

Byeckythump · 24/11/2021 03:55

I relate so much to so many of these posts. It’s actually quite comforting knowing I’m not the only one.

It’s difficult because when you’re young you don’t know any different. I clearly remember several things in my childhood that made me start to realise perhaps my mother wasn’t ‘normal’. A friends mum asking how her day was and if she would like some orange juice when I visited after school. A mum saying well done you were brilliant to a friend after a school music concert. A well stocked bathroom with sanitary products and nice shampoo etc that a friend could just help herself to. And now I have my own children seeing how warm my mother in law is to them compared to my own mother. Mine never sit and play with my children, never offer to help, definitely no offer of babysitting or going near a nappy change. Visits involve me rushing around feeding/watering everyone and looking after the children while they watch, then they take some photographs to show off to their friends and that’s it.

I cannot believe the love I hold for my children, how interested I am in what they are doing, how proud I am of them and how much I want them to feel safe, warm and loved with full tummies and clean clothes and just all the things that should come naturally to a mother. I didn’t get much of that and it’s definitely affected my self esteem as an adult. But strangely I absolutely know that I’m a really good mum which has been a pleasant surprise.

Tabbypawpaw · 24/11/2021 06:17

These are such sad stories. I’m another who hid my periods from my mother, plus I was at boarding school - used to use wads of tissues/loo roll! Eventually I got some money and bought proper protection.

My mother has always been unavailable, I don’t think she really knows what job I have. I remember a few years back a friends eldest aged 3 was being a nightmare (so was mine so we were having a moan) and she said ‘oh I’ve been on the phone in tears to my mum over how hard it is.’ My mouth was literally open in amazement because it had never even crossed my mind to ring my mum over some difficulty in my life - she has a thing about badly behaving children and I knew she’d just turn it against me so I was a poor mother because my child was being difficult. And be able to criticise me for it. That was a penny dropped moment.

Tabbypawpaw · 24/11/2021 06:21

I can spend a week with my mum and she won’t ask me a single question about my life. She was particularly unavailable as a teenager so I couldn’t tell her about the low level bullying at my boarding school and that kind of stuff. My eye opener was watching my sister in law parent, she is the most devoted mother I’ve ever seen, she knows her kids lives inside out, takes them to every sporting event they wish even if it involves long drives. She is utterly devoted to them having rich and fulfilling childhoods.

YanTanTetheraPetheraPimp · 24/11/2021 06:37

My mother never said she loved me, told me I was a huge disappointment on many occasions and that as a small child I was a confounded nuisance.
When I told her about my proudest achievement in becoming CEO of a charity she told everyone I was carer who went into peoples houses ‘wiping their bums’. She just didn’t want to know.
I spent the whole of my life being compared with other peoples’ children, always unfavourably.
It was deeply hurtful and when she died earlier this year I felt unable to grieve.
It’s tainted my whole life.

Mummyoflittledragon · 24/11/2021 06:43

What I see from reading these posts is that a lot of people had difficult and / or abusive mums but somehow, somewhere knew they could do things for themselves as a child or teen. The instinct of self care even if it wasn’t total self love shone through.

Profoundly, congratulations for having had the inner strength inside yourselves for knowing you were and are worth something. I didn’t know I was allowed to do half of these things and a lot is because of how my brother also controlled me. So that was 3 controlling people: him, my father and my mother. I was therefore so unsure of myself and doing anything different was dangerous or different as my brother would beat me up and abuse me. When home alone, I couldn’t even sit down and watch tv by myself or with my friends as he and his mates would come and wiggle their dicks near our faces.

A lot of these posts resonate. The razor one. I was given my father’s old butterfly razor (which uses a razor blade) after being called chicken legs at school and a blood bath ensued. The bra one. I was bought one and only one and ridiculed with lots of narrative about her having one made for her as a child. Still bangs on about that now. I struggle to understand the message there beyond her needs being met but mine should be laughed at - laughing at herself maybe? The sanitary towel one. I was given a sanitary belt in a hushed voice, my friend, god love her took me to Superdrug for stick on towels. The university one. Another friend persuaded me to go through clearing rather than attend the secretarial college course I had lined up.

I truly thought I was worthless for all my childhood and didn’t understand what unconditional love was until I was well into adulthood. At age 30, I was still deferring to what my mother and part of the time, I was genuinely scared to use the phone to talk to utility companies etc. Other times I could be fine. It’s difficult to explain beyond saying some of the time I could be rational and adult and other times I was petrified of doing something wrong or different due to a lifetime of abuse.

My father was a workaholic and the house / children were very much the mother’s domaine. He was also pretty narcissistic and lived vicariously through my brother. So bought him lots of shiny big boys toys and nothing for me. Including a pony that I knew better than to show a close attachment to as my brother would have been violent and abusive. I was so sad when they sold the pony that I secretly and desperately wanted for me. 😭 My brother is also the golden child. So I got the hit from both parents despite my mother’s insistence we were treated the same.

When my dad died in my teens, I was never comforted and she actually went out of her way to denigrate me in his eyes by telling me she never told me I had sex (she snooped and found out shortly before he died) as it would have destroyed him and made a big thing about how hurt he was that I turned away from him when we spotted one another in town when I was with my mates (being a parent to a teen now, I know this to be totally normal). She was in pain and I imagine telling me these things made her feel better and good. I now realise that she doesn’t see me as separate and she was berating me as she considers me the ‘bad’ part of her.

I cannot speak to her about my life as anything I say will instantly be turned onto her. So I leave her to drone on, exhausting me. And to add insult to injury, get told I am secretive, was even as a child. Um, no, I had zero guidance, never asked if I was ok, never told I was loved and had a brother, who prevented me from doing anything. No wonder I didn’t know I had basic rights. She’s exactly the person described on the video, knows I’ve had a lot of therapy and thinks I’m weak. I tried a couple of times to break the surface with her in my 20s and that was a big mistake, which was used against me for years.

Now I’ve had some serious therapy, she can no longer do this to me. Apart from the droning on. She’s tons and tons better and if I were well, I’d put up better boundaries.

I still need to fix the my brother thing. Due to my ailing health, I don’t go out much but we were at the shops at the weekend. There was an imposing man, who looked rather like my brother bawling at his child laying down on the elevator as it went down and the dad at the top of the stairs. The visceral reaction was frightening and I still am profoundly affected a few days on. Part of me wanted to to murder him, that’s the part covering up my desperate fear. I’ve had one therapy session via zoom about something else… well it’s all about boundaries really… and this is the one to tackle next. When I’m physically up to it.

RedWingBoots · 24/11/2021 07:21

@Wordsmithery it is all emotional neglect and some of it is emotional abuse. It can be through words, through actions, through inactions or a mixture of any of them.

TheElvishQueen · 24/11/2021 07:50

@1forAll74

I had the same situations with these issues, with my Late Mum, but she was a great Mum in other ways.. I delved into her own lifestyle years ago, trying to assertain why she was like how she was, regarding showing love, giving hugs, and all as such. I weighed up how she herself was brought up so to speak, how her young life was in general, so it all made sense how she became like she was with me.. I have never had any issues with things from the past though,especially when you assess things about a person, and why they act as they do.
I agree with you, but it doesn’t take away the pain and damage caused. My mother had a shit time herself in many ways, and basically wasn’t parented. However she still managed to be a good mother to my siblings. It was just me who was unacceptable. This makes things worse as my siblings don’t support me or understand how I feel. Also, no matter what my mother went through, she won’t acknowledge how she’s treated me or take responsibility. She just shifts the blame onto my father.
Wordsmithery · 24/11/2021 08:26

@RedWingBoots I agree. I was trying to say that emotional unavailability can be harder to pinpoint than some of these very obvious examples of cruelty or neglect. And therefore victims might not even see they are victims - which makes unpicking your feelings as an adult extremely difficult.

RedWingBoots · 24/11/2021 08:41

@Wordsmithery I guess we should say it clearly -

Being emotional unavailable to a child whether you are mother or other primary carer is emotional neglect and in some cases emotional abuse of them.

Livingtothefull · 24/11/2021 09:06

@Mummyoflittledragon - I am so sorry to read about what you went through, that is some of the worst examples of abuse and neglect I have ever read here. Congratulations to you too for coming through all of that, and my very very best wishes also.

DarlingFell · 24/11/2021 09:18

I don't have a relationship with my mother, she is a selfish, self-obsessed narc. I don't know why she had children, she doesn't have a maternal bone in her body and was and is totally clueless to our needs.

We are undergoing IVF and I know I will be a wonderful mother because I will do everything the opposite of my own mother. My sister is the most incredibly loving mum to her children, so attentive, adoring, invested and so very interested in their lives.

Mummyoflittledragon · 24/11/2021 10:50

[quote Livingtothefull]@Mummyoflittledragon - I am so sorry to read about what you went through, that is some of the worst examples of abuse and neglect I have ever read here. Congratulations to you too for coming through all of that, and my very very best wishes also.[/quote]
Thank you for well wishes. I really don’t think it is the worst on this thread. I was fed and lived somewhere, which should have been an idyllic life. Taken on holidays and bought girl presents and bikes etc. I wasn’t thrown out on the street or denied physical comforts. I am not trying to defend anyone by saying this. I just think having read other accounts I was far more fortunate than they. My mother does love me in her own way. And she has mellowed a lot because I have refused to take her shit anymore. Luckily she is a very good grandmother and has shown the love I craved and that she could not show to me… which like a few on this thread have observed with their mothers to their children.

Squashpocket · 24/11/2021 10:52

To those of you with emotionally unavailable mothers, did getting therapy help?

My mother is and was definitely emotionally neglectful, rather than abusive. I'm just wondering if therapy can help with something that was missing, rather than something that was done to me as such.

If you did get therapy and it helped, how did you find the right therapist and what did they do that helped. If you didn't have therapy, what have you done that has helped?

I have little children of my own and I struggle all the time with being as emotionally available and supportive as I can, but with no blueprint to follow it's a constant exhausting battle. I know what happens when you don't have mother's love and support so I can't afford to fail.

Mary46 · 24/11/2021 11:58

Mine is hard work. It gets thrown back at you all we did for you. Counselling has helped but her habits creep back in. Minimal visits by me

TheElvishQueen · 24/11/2021 12:05

@Squashpocket

To those of you with emotionally unavailable mothers, did getting therapy help?

My mother is and was definitely emotionally neglectful, rather than abusive. I'm just wondering if therapy can help with something that was missing, rather than something that was done to me as such.

If you did get therapy and it helped, how did you find the right therapist and what did they do that helped. If you didn't have therapy, what have you done that has helped?

I have little children of my own and I struggle all the time with being as emotionally available and supportive as I can, but with no blueprint to follow it's a constant exhausting battle. I know what happens when you don't have mother's love and support so I can't afford to fail.

I tried therapy with my mother. The therapist told me not to bother after a few sessions! I have also had individual therapy but it didn't help.
Thecurliestwurly · 24/11/2021 12:49

My mum was very loving as a kid, but very busy and stretched for time. In adulthood she give the most useless advice - she is one of those people who can't see in colour and see a complexity of a situation, so if I have a problem her advice is always 'stop doing it, you are making your life more difficult' which isn't the wisest advice when that thing is something you have to do. Her advice is always around her religion too or advice taken from spiritual types who write books like The Secret. Apparently all issues are my fault and I'm not imagining them away enough! My sister is also similar - they are both quite judgemental and bitch a lot about other people - and my brother isn't around much. I struggled as a teenager as I was bullied and couldn't really tell any of them and my brother and sister were shits to me too!

My Dad hasn't been the greatest dad, but he is so calming and practical. I feel lucky to be able to talk to him.

OP, I think it is great you are there for your daughter. I'm glad you are breaking the cycle. I'm busy much if the time and not always present for my own son, so it has made me think about this today and how I can change things. Thanks for giving me the thought Grin

Wheresmywoolyjumpers · 24/11/2021 12:50

Love to all those posting, these are some tough things to read, let alone experience.

user1471462428 · 24/11/2021 13:35

Sorry this my second post but the whole topic has really made me think, I often wondered why my mum had me, I’m the last of a large family and don’t know whether my siblings feel similarly about their upbringing. I do remember walking in on my older sister sobbing and saying she couldn’t wait to leave home when she was around 15. I think she would deny it now as she and my mum are very enmeshed.
I chose to have a smaller family as I worry that the neglect I suffered was my mum running out of steam after so many children. This doesn’t account for the financial abuse that I suffered though as she was very well paid and I worked from 13 to feed and clothe myself.
I disagree with the poster who excuses abuse with explanations of their childhood or culture. When you have children you have to be change, there are excuses or reasons. I really struggle with parenting and have made many mistakes which I apologise to my children because I am accountable to them and will always strive to do for them.

user1471462428 · 24/11/2021 13:38

strive to do better
there are no excuses or reasons

IsThePopeCatholic · 24/11/2021 13:53

Bloody hell! So many accounts of dreadful and dysfunctional childhoods - and continuing trauma. I am in awe of all of you and admire the way you are determined to make your own children’s lives so much better than yours. In so many cases, your mums seem to have been jealous of you and were unable to put your needs before their own. I wish you all the best.

Hemingwayscats · 24/11/2021 14:01

@Augusta1

You are definitely not alone Op. My mantra for parenting has always been, "what would my mother do? Now I'll do the opposite" I have a lovely relationship with my children.
Yup, I follow this too. My Mum has never been emotionally available either OP, you’re not alone. I’m having counselling atm for PND and one of the things mentioned a few times has been the fact my Mother has never been supportive or helpful. If you tell her your problems, she shuts you down with something shitty like ‘oh you’ll be fine, why don’t you x’ and inserts crappy practical ‘advice’. Never any sympathy from her, I think she only told me she loved me when she was drunk growing up and she certainly hasn’t said it since I reached adulthood. Rare to get a cuddle or any affection from her. I avoid her most of the time because I can’t be bothered with her.
HomeSliceKnowsBest · 24/11/2021 14:03

Your DM sounds a lot like mine OP. As a result of emotional neglect amongst other things I suffer from BPD, Bipolar and severe depression and anxiety. I am using my experience to be the best DM I can be to DD and I can honestly say it is working and I am so proud of how I've turned things around. It can be very triggering at times though, when situations with DD open up old wounds in me. Flowers for you.

INeedSixEggs · 24/11/2021 14:29

My mum laughed at me when I told her I'd started my period and never bought me any sanitary products. I had to ask each month and it was always met with the same laugh and I felt quite ashamed.
She just didn't guide me through anything like that even though I had an older sister who she must have done these things with. In fact I seem to remember my sister being alllowed days of school when she first started and most months when she was "on".