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Anyone else with an emotionally unavailable mum?

248 replies

Watchclock · 20/11/2021 22:31

Since as long as I can remember my mum has been so emotionally unavailable to me.
I’ve never been able to talk to her about anything really. Things like starting my period, I hid it from her until she found out packs of pads had been disappearing and found some of my underwear.
I never spoke to her about contraception when I started my first serious relationship at 15.
I started self harming around age 18 and she knew but said nothing and just took my means to self harming away which she found in my room.
I never told her I was pregnant until I was showing and couldn’t hide it.
These are just some of the key memories I have.
Having my own daughter who’s getting a bit older now I encourage her to talk about everything and always reassure her I’m there for her for anything.
The point to all this is that it’s been really tough, and I just wanted to talk to anyone else who might have similar mothers? I’m NC with my dad so that doesn’t help and if I’m honest it’s a really lonely situation.
All I’ve seen throughout my life is everyone else with such a good relationship with their mum and who’s mums are so helpful and caring and I don’t think others can relate.
I have metal health issues I think mainly as a result of my mum always being so cold towards me.

I have an amazing partner and some close dear friends I can confide in, but I know no one in real life in a similar situation with their mum and it would be nice to speak to someone who can understand where I’m coming from.

OP posts:
1967buglet · 21/11/2021 22:45

This all resonates. My mum had massive MH problems (in and out of MH asylums) when I grew up, and when she was home, there was no time for me and she was very cruel. I was berated…you have two fried eggs for a chest, why aren’t you like other girls and dating…what’s wrong with you, why did you get any thing less than perfect marks. Just incessant. I had to wear hand-me-downs 20 years out of fashion, never taken for a hair cut, and of course, that meant I was bullied at school. (I’m American, and there were no school uniforms). I left home, came to the UK and didn’t look back and went NC with her. My father who was a decent man finally arranged for her to get some care, and divorced her because it affected his health too. She just died last year of COVID in a mental institution. Her brother kindly sorted the cremation for me and apprarently none of her relatives would have anything to do with her because she was so toxic. When I grew up, my dad was overwhelmed and stayed away from home and worked, I was expected to raise my brother and do all the housework and cook, and I also decided I’d had of ‘parenting’, so I never had kids. I was afraid I would pass on the same problems to them having not been in an emotionally healthy home, and was going to break the chain. My first husband was also abusive because of course that what I was used to, but a small preservative voice in me said, get away from him.. Luckily, I did. I got some therapy, got divorced from abusive first husband, and second husband is brilliant. I ended up despite all this being very professionally successful despite all this and earning a PhD because doing analytical work took my mind off things and was a respite. It was only at about 45 years old that I finally got to the other side emotionally, and I made a very good life for myself. But it was a long haul, and I am so v. grateful for my second husband and for some wonderful therapists that made me realise I was lovable, and there was never anything wrong with me, and how to give myself self-love and compassion. I wish people on this thread all the very best as they navigate through it all.

Neveragain990 · 21/11/2021 22:51

@AliceAldridge I have a mother just like this. It’s exhausting but also I am isolated as no family members to turn to. Christmas is hard when people start talking about families but then I think, oh well, at least we have fewer dramas these days than when I was younger. I’ve actually begun to wonder if there is undiagnosed mental illness.

Watchclock · 21/11/2021 22:54

@Lolalime

It could be a generational thing, it’s only quite recent that we as parents are able to be openly in love with our children as previously it would have been seen as ‘indulging and and spoiling’. Children were seen but not heard etc We are all much more aware of how we are shaped by our histories, just as our mothers were shaped by theirs.
Of course, I mean things were different. Now we get told we’re spoiling our children too much, which I agree maybe we are. There’s tough love, or strict parenting, Then there’s looking at your child and not wanting to make them feel loved and secure and always making them feel like a burden. Hitting, calling names. Ignoring red flags e.g. self harm, depression etc I think that’s just neglectful and not ok at all. Children need love, support, warmth. You can still be a strict parent and still love your child and make the child know their mum loves them. It’s just basic motherly instinct no matter what generation you’re from
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LiJo2015 · 21/11/2021 22:55

I'm estranged from my dad and my mum is dead. Both in laws age emotionally unavailable. Bit of a shit situation really.

AliceAldridge · 22/11/2021 09:53

I've wondered that too @Neveragain990. My DM has a list of things that didn't go quite as she had hoped or planned, dating back a long time and once she is on a subject that upset her, whether in 1955 or last week, she can't not tell me all about it (again!). I have learned as an adult, in my new supporting role, that lots of my nice childhood memories were not quite so happy for my DM which makes me feel sad and uncomfortable but my feelings no longer seem to be a real consideration. She would never ever contemplate counselling or anything though. Especially when she has me! I've tried the grey rock, changing the subject thing. It's easier said than done.

Wordsmithery · 22/11/2021 09:55

A lot of examples in these posts might better be described as physical abuse/severe mental cruelty. But emotional unavailability is less clear cut (and no less toxic for that) and a bit more subtle. This is important because people following this thread might be persuaded that 'she never openly belittled/hit/scorned me so it wasn't that bad', etc. and underestimate the impact of her unavailability.
Neither of my parents could really be bothered with me. Never taught me to ride a bike, never took me swimming or taught me to cook or encouraged (or paid for) out of school activities, or took an interest in my A level or degree choices, or helped when I had a major relationship crisis in my early 20s. Shut me down when I tried to talk about the school bully. And worst of all, never once asked how I was feeling when my older brother went NC with the entire family when I was 12. I haven't seen him since and the impact has been devastating.
This doesn't sound bad compared with some of the other posts but I've suffered the effects ever since. Even now, decades later, I get upset when people talk about their 'normal' childhoods, with parents who actually read them stories, cuddled them, talked to them, took an interest in them.

AliceAldridge · 22/11/2021 09:59

I also feel I made some really bad life decisions between the ages of 15 and 25 because of having no adult to confide in, when she could quite easily have been that person.

AliceAldridge · 22/11/2021 10:06

@Wordsmithery

I have never visited the toxic parent threads on here because of that. I once tried to tell my DM how I felt and she said "But your childhood was idyllic!". And on paper it was but the feeling of having to muddle way way through my own head and actions all those years (and now) is what I was trying to explain to her (with no success so I gave up).

Wordsmithery · 22/11/2021 11:37

Exactly.

FutureHope · 22/11/2021 12:00

My mother was completely unavailable, and absolutely cold, like many here.

Physical abuse also, and DF is also a narcissistic abuser.

My sister has been having therapy for childhood trauma recently, and apparently emotional neglect even as a baby or toddler wires your brain differently, so that you're more anxious, lower self esteem, less able to emotionally regulate, etc.

I have a 'surface' relationship with my mother and father now but I cannot forgive them - I am 51 now, and their abuse and neglect has defined my adult life. Funnily enough though they are great grandparents to the kids - everything I would have liked them to be to me.

Mary46 · 22/11/2021 12:48

Mine is surface too I dont tell her too much. 80s. She is devious in ways at times

idiotmagnet · 22/11/2021 13:49

@Wordsmithery

A lot of examples in these posts might better be described as physical abuse/severe mental cruelty. But emotional unavailability is less clear cut (and no less toxic for that) and a bit more subtle. This is important because people following this thread might be persuaded that 'she never openly belittled/hit/scorned me so it wasn't that bad', etc. and underestimate the impact of her unavailability. Neither of my parents could really be bothered with me. Never taught me to ride a bike, never took me swimming or taught me to cook or encouraged (or paid for) out of school activities, or took an interest in my A level or degree choices, or helped when I had a major relationship crisis in my early 20s. Shut me down when I tried to talk about the school bully. And worst of all, never once asked how I was feeling when my older brother went NC with the entire family when I was 12. I haven't seen him since and the impact has been devastating. This doesn't sound bad compared with some of the other posts but I've suffered the effects ever since. Even now, decades later, I get upset when people talk about their 'normal' childhoods, with parents who actually read them stories, cuddled them, talked to them, took an interest in them.
So much here that I agree with - and mine never took me swimming or taught me to ride a bike either, and ditto a car when I got to 17. My dad would actually boast about not doing things with/for me as it proved that he had succeeded in not letting parenthood change his life at all.
Uptidy · 22/11/2021 14:09

So many posts on here have really resonated with me. I am glad that some of you have also got other parents who are decent and/or good partners and spouses, or you’ve had a brilliant relationship with your kids if you had them, or you’ve been happy not to have had them if you didn’t have kids and chose a different path for your life.
Those who don’t have any of that, and all those who do, you all have my respect for doing your best to get past the crap that’s been passed on to you.

My main aim is to try to take action as soon as possible by starting talking therapy. But reopening old wounds is very scary. I’ve put it off several times before. I feel forced into it though- my mum is rapidly ageing and my DC are getting to ages where I remember being very unhappy as a child, which is raking up a lot of stuff for me. I guess I’m increasingly more scared of leaving it all permanently unresolved than I am of tackling it. I’m definitely not a permanently sweet and supportive lovely mum myself, I haven’t got that confidence to say I am polar opposite level different from my mum. But I want to be able to feel that I didn’t just selfishly or unthinkingly pass my crap on to the kids, even if therapy doesn’t help me get past this fully.

Whiteclaw · 22/11/2021 16:26

@memberofsomebadclubs

I can relate to this, my mum just doesn't like me. Doesn't see me as a separate person with my own needs or life. I am in some sort of constant competition with her which I never asked for and can't understand the rules of. She's jealous of me and will never ever celebrate anything I've ever done or be genuinely happy for me, it's all about her. It's taken me years to accept that her treatment of me was actually sustained emotional abuse. I read a book called 'Discovering the Inner Mother' by Bethany Webster (If you Google her the first chapter is an article that went viral it's excellent) and it's brought me an immense amount of peace and understanding. It's really hard growing up without unconditional love. I would have given anything for it.
Thank you for recommending this book. I’m a quarter of the way through and already finding it so insightful.

My mum died a couple of years ago, and it was a strange feeling - not a loss as there wasn’t really anything to lose, and in some ways, it was a relief. I had hoped for her to maybe soften when she knew she was dying, but it never happened.

CreaturefromtheDeep · 23/11/2021 08:59

My mother expected me to go from virgin to married with no guidance, support, advice, understanding, talk.............. it was shameful to date a boy but yet she did expect me to get married and I disappointed her that I didn't. The lack of communication was staggering but she doesn't see it. She just looks at me and sees how I embarrassed her. All of her siblings children got married.

So much of this thread resonates but this in particular. I was forbidden from having boyfriends and I remember seeing other friends share those experiences with their mothers whereas I went to great lengths keep the two teenage relations I had, completely hidden. Of course, I was expected to settle down and have a respectful marriage and I did do that to an extent. I got married but never had children and this is a huge source of embarrassment to both my parents. I did try to include her in my wedding plans, let her come dress shopping which was fine but then when I mentioned buying underwear to go under the dress, she huffed and puffed about how clearly all I could think of was the wedding night and she had not raised me to be a slut, before storming off home.

She (or rather they, as my dad was exactly the same and I can’t allow my mum to carry all the blame here) wasn’t a bad mum and probably at the tame end of some of situations described here but she was simply emotionally unavailable. When I was badly bullied and crying in the mornings, scared to go to school, I was told to toughen up and “it’s no wonder they pick on you”. I learned to mask every emotion; if I was happy, smiling and laughing, I’d be mocked with an over-exaggerated big idiotic, slack-jawed grin and told I was embarrassing them. If I cried, I was a snivelling little cry-baby. So I was just neutral about everything from a very young age and that is a habit I struggle to break, even now in my 40s. I am told I am a closed book and I have been criticised at work for my “cold” stance and inability to give sincere sounding positive feedback. In many ways I’m happy that I never had children as I’d be terrified of repeating the cycle due to these learned behaviours. On the other hand though, I know I can let me guard down and my completely and unashamedly me with a few people – my DH and my best friend – so maybe it would have been ok.

Looking back, I find it weird that my mum never knew, or cared enough to learn, any of my friends’ names. They were just other children who meant nothing to her. Similarly, she used to get annoyed if I mentioned a teacher by name. If I said, “Mr Brown says that I should think carefully about next year’s modules”, she would snap back, “who in god’s name is Mr Brown? I can’t be expected to remember all of this. Just call them my English teacher, my maths teacher…” It’s not quite the same as not bothering to learn the names of my friends but it did upset me, particularly in the case of Mr Brown who had been my English teacher for 4 years and had really nurtured my passion for the subject. In contrast, I’d go to friends’ houses where the conversation around the dinner table was what Mr Brown, or Mrs Smith said today and the parents would respond by asking things like “how did x react to that?” where x would be another class member, not a close friend or known through parenting or neighbourhood circles but somehow they knew of that person’s existence anyway. I attended a huge school and there were never enough slots for parents to meet with teachers on parents’ night. Our teachers would often say that they were targeting parents whom they really wanted to speak to (i.e if the child was struggling) and other slots would be for parents who really really wanted to speak to them but those in the middle ground should not take up timeslots. I used to lie every year. I told my teachers that mum was very keen to talk to them and I told mum that the teachers wanted to talk to her. The reality was that I wanted to her to see and understand this big chunk of my life, hear the teachers tell her I was a good student and hopefully spark some praise or at least interest. She used to complain every time though about giving up her evening for it. One teacher, the aforementioned amazing Mr Brown, got wind of what I was doing and made sure she was always on his list after that. He also encouraged me to go to university. My parents didn’t think it was for the likes of me but he told me I had the ability and that I needed the experience of getting away from home.

As an adult, there is no interest in my life. I have hobbies, interests and passions which are never spoken about. There’s no point. Once my mum realised I wasn’t growing into a carbon copy of her, any interest she did have was completely dismissed. I actually have a really accomplished career but she has no idea. I’d love to have confided in her about my fertility journey but that is just not our relationship. After all these years it still upsets me when I see and hear about friends having close relationships with their mums – the spa visits, afternoon teas, giggly nights over a bottle of wine… We do see each other regularly but our relationship feels very transactional. I’ve tried testing the waters by starting to tell her about something I’ve done recently but she’ll just talk right over me saying it sounds boring. On the other hand, she’ll wax lyrical about my amazing cousin (my version of “Tom” mentioned upthread) as well as her friends’ adult children. I know it sounds selfish but I just wish someone would, just once, boast about me.

TheElvishQueen · 23/11/2021 16:48

@CreaturefromtheDeep

My mother expected me to go from virgin to married with no guidance, support, advice, understanding, talk.............. it was shameful to date a boy but yet she did expect me to get married and I disappointed her that I didn't. The lack of communication was staggering but she doesn't see it. She just looks at me and sees how I embarrassed her. All of her siblings children got married.

So much of this thread resonates but this in particular. I was forbidden from having boyfriends and I remember seeing other friends share those experiences with their mothers whereas I went to great lengths keep the two teenage relations I had, completely hidden. Of course, I was expected to settle down and have a respectful marriage and I did do that to an extent. I got married but never had children and this is a huge source of embarrassment to both my parents. I did try to include her in my wedding plans, let her come dress shopping which was fine but then when I mentioned buying underwear to go under the dress, she huffed and puffed about how clearly all I could think of was the wedding night and she had not raised me to be a slut, before storming off home.

She (or rather they, as my dad was exactly the same and I can’t allow my mum to carry all the blame here) wasn’t a bad mum and probably at the tame end of some of situations described here but she was simply emotionally unavailable. When I was badly bullied and crying in the mornings, scared to go to school, I was told to toughen up and “it’s no wonder they pick on you”. I learned to mask every emotion; if I was happy, smiling and laughing, I’d be mocked with an over-exaggerated big idiotic, slack-jawed grin and told I was embarrassing them. If I cried, I was a snivelling little cry-baby. So I was just neutral about everything from a very young age and that is a habit I struggle to break, even now in my 40s. I am told I am a closed book and I have been criticised at work for my “cold” stance and inability to give sincere sounding positive feedback. In many ways I’m happy that I never had children as I’d be terrified of repeating the cycle due to these learned behaviours. On the other hand though, I know I can let me guard down and my completely and unashamedly me with a few people – my DH and my best friend – so maybe it would have been ok.

Looking back, I find it weird that my mum never knew, or cared enough to learn, any of my friends’ names. They were just other children who meant nothing to her. Similarly, she used to get annoyed if I mentioned a teacher by name. If I said, “Mr Brown says that I should think carefully about next year’s modules”, she would snap back, “who in god’s name is Mr Brown? I can’t be expected to remember all of this. Just call them my English teacher, my maths teacher…” It’s not quite the same as not bothering to learn the names of my friends but it did upset me, particularly in the case of Mr Brown who had been my English teacher for 4 years and had really nurtured my passion for the subject. In contrast, I’d go to friends’ houses where the conversation around the dinner table was what Mr Brown, or Mrs Smith said today and the parents would respond by asking things like “how did x react to that?” where x would be another class member, not a close friend or known through parenting or neighbourhood circles but somehow they knew of that person’s existence anyway. I attended a huge school and there were never enough slots for parents to meet with teachers on parents’ night. Our teachers would often say that they were targeting parents whom they really wanted to speak to (i.e if the child was struggling) and other slots would be for parents who really really wanted to speak to them but those in the middle ground should not take up timeslots. I used to lie every year. I told my teachers that mum was very keen to talk to them and I told mum that the teachers wanted to talk to her. The reality was that I wanted to her to see and understand this big chunk of my life, hear the teachers tell her I was a good student and hopefully spark some praise or at least interest. She used to complain every time though about giving up her evening for it. One teacher, the aforementioned amazing Mr Brown, got wind of what I was doing and made sure she was always on his list after that. He also encouraged me to go to university. My parents didn’t think it was for the likes of me but he told me I had the ability and that I needed the experience of getting away from home.

As an adult, there is no interest in my life. I have hobbies, interests and passions which are never spoken about. There’s no point. Once my mum realised I wasn’t growing into a carbon copy of her, any interest she did have was completely dismissed. I actually have a really accomplished career but she has no idea. I’d love to have confided in her about my fertility journey but that is just not our relationship. After all these years it still upsets me when I see and hear about friends having close relationships with their mums – the spa visits, afternoon teas, giggly nights over a bottle of wine… We do see each other regularly but our relationship feels very transactional. I’ve tried testing the waters by starting to tell her about something I’ve done recently but she’ll just talk right over me saying it sounds boring. On the other hand, she’ll wax lyrical about my amazing cousin (my version of “Tom” mentioned upthread) as well as her friends’ adult children. I know it sounds selfish but I just wish someone would, just once, boast about me.

I had tears in my eyes reading this. So sad.

when I mentioned buying underwear to go under the dress, she huffed and puffed about how clearly all I could think of was the wedding night and she had not raised me to be a slut, before storming off home.

My mother used to accuse me and my sister of being 'obsessed with sex'. For no reason at all that I could discern. She has a real problem with female sexuality. Sex was described just as the act, nothing more. That was the end of the conversation.

As someone else mentioned, I was made to wear her old hand me downs and never bought new clothes. I was never taken to the hairdressers either. She never talked to me about make up or clothes, or encouraged me to make the best of myself.
When I got a part time job at school and got my first haircut with the proceeds, I was so proud! When I got home my father said I looked like a slut.
Ridicule and cruelty were par for the course. I just don't understand parents like this.

lmnoh · 23/11/2021 16:52

I just wanted to say that I read everyone's experiences and I can relate to a little in each.

In a strange way it gives me comfort that I'm not alone, as often I feel like I am, and I'm thinking of you all ❤️

MrsWorriedMother · 23/11/2021 16:56

Yes exactly the same with me.
Couldn't talk to her about anything important so had polite conversation with her instead.

Some of the things I haven't told her about:
She doesn't know I had a miscarriage
She doesn't know that I fractured my knee
She doesn't know that my husband lost his job and we nearly lost our house
She doesn't know my son got run over on the way to school last year.
She doesn't know my sons GCSE results.

There is absolutely no point in telling her any of the above because I won't get any comfort or anything at all from her.

MrsBerthaRochester · 23/11/2021 17:26

I could have written this post to. When I was younger my mum used to say we were close. What she meant was she would confide in me adult sruff that U shouldnt hage to deak with.
She essentially left our grandparents to bring us up when she met her partner. Who was abusive.
I have been no contact with her for 3 year.
I have had therapy to try and deal with the ptsd but my mental health means I have not been the parent I wanted to be.
However I do kiss cuddle and tell my kids every single day that I love them.

silverbubbles · 23/11/2021 18:09

This is an interesting thread and I have a similar mother.

She never hugged me, never once kissed me, never once said she loved me, never talked to me about my feelings or growing up (she did put a book in my room). I have learnt to always keep things to myself. Never told her about my periods, couldn't ask for a bra - in the end I had to take one from someone else! If bad things happened to me - like getting flashed at when quite young, experiencing racism - I would never tell her. I have never confided in her.

She did not set many strong boundaries - I do not recall getting put to bed or having stories read, I became quite a naughty teen and she did not seem to care but I think I was quite undercover and maybe she never knew what I got upto.

I remember getting on a train to go back packing for a year and she just said good bye. All I actually wanted was a hug from my mum.
I remember her dropping me off when I moved to London and she just got back in the car and drove off - I hoped she might kiss me good bye like other mothers do.

Despite this, she has never treated me badly and has always been there for me though and although she could never express herself I have never doubted that she does love me. She is just incapable of showing it or communicating it. I think its called emotional neglect.

I am trying hard with my children to be more affectionate and loving and more vocal about it.

LittleMissA · 23/11/2021 18:41

My mum is like this too, I didn't tell her I started my periods, she didn't talk to me about sex/relationships or anything. I had a rough time with friends in yr11 and she didn't care or even try to see if I was ok. She never hugged me, said she loved me or showed any emotion. I spent a lot of my teenage years talking to boys online as I was desperate for a bit of attention and to feel like someone cared. I cringe at the situations I could have put myself in. Luckily I met DH at 17 (not online) so stopped putting myself at risk.

The strange thing is we did go on shopping trips and she always invites us for meals etc but its like it's all for show and she could portray an image of being loving and caring and involved in our lives but she just doesn't listen or care about us as a person, it's all about how she looks to everyone else.

I have a dd and I tell her I love her all the time, we hug, still kiss her goodnight even tho she's in secondary school now. I got stressed at the weekend because of the pressure she's been putting me under about Christmas and panicked I was turning into her and my DH straight away said I def wasn't as I was getting upset because I cared so much about everyone else and my relationship with DD is completely different as she came home and within 5mins was snuggling up for a hug.

I always felt she resented me for something traumatic that happened in her life when I was a child, which was no way my fault unless you count the fact that I existed!! We saw her at the weekend and she basically confirmed that she blamed me for this, both DH and I were gobsmacked that she actually said it!

Sorry for the essay it's been good to get some things off my chest.

YourTruthorMine · 23/11/2021 22:52

My mother is emotionally unavailable. Haven't seen her for years. Last time we visited (after a 6 hour drive) she threw us out the house when my autistic son had a meltdown . Said she couldn't cope with the noise. She's likely autistic herself (as am I) but that's no excuse. She was an only child, a successful writer, and a social climber, She would only visit when she could combine the visit with a social engagement or event connected to her writing. She was only interested in my daughter when she thought she might be able to illustrate her books. She's never said she loved me. She's never been there for me and makes no effort with her grand children My sister makes excuses for her, says she is mentally ill. Sometimes I could cry

1967buglet · 23/11/2021 23:25

@Uptidy Therapy can be hard at first, but it is worth it. It really is. You just have to find the right therapist who can teach you to have self-compassion. I wish you all the best.

safclass · 24/11/2021 01:34

I could also have written this post, scarily similar! I get sad when people say oh I've got a great mum etc.
My mum isn't cruel though. She doesn't say she s proud of you etc but doesn't call/make nasty comments. She seems lacking in emotion. She will repeat things people have said to her, about me/siblings /others which most people just wouldn't do.
Shes eldery now and needing more support and i struggle at times with this.
We all did OK in life but it could have been so much better. I can't really recall any 'happy' events.
Be a better mum. My kids are told I love them everytime we speak.
Oh an d thank you for posting this x x

1forAll74 · 24/11/2021 02:09

I had the same situations with these issues, with my Late Mum, but she was a great Mum in other ways.. I delved into her own lifestyle years ago, trying to assertain why she was like how she was, regarding showing love, giving hugs, and all as such. I weighed up how she herself was brought up so to speak, how her young life was in general, so it all made sense how she became like she was with me.. I have never had any issues with things from the past though,especially when you assess things about a person, and why they act as they do.

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