To think we shouldn’t treat a prisoner like this?

[Puttingthekettleon]

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1523361/Robert-Maudsley-killer-die-Wakefield-Prison-glass-box/amp

A concrete slab to sleep on, no television, no music? Surely that’s just not right?

@fucketyfuckwit

I would let him and all the peados in a room together and let them crack on.

Great username.

@plumsageplum

Let him kill himself? Obviously not that, so what?

Why not? If he's going to be spending the rest of his life in prison, under these conditions, what's the point in living?

other prisoners have a right to be safe.
Can't find myself caring too much about whether pedophiles are safe in prison.

Because it’s illegal. The prison guards have to keep him alive.

@plumsageplum

Let him kill himself? Obviously not that, so what?

Why not? If he's going to be spending the rest of his life in prison, under these conditions, what's the point in living?

other prisoners have a right to be safe.
Can't find myself caring too much about whether pedophiles are safe in prison.

How about caring about the ethics, principles and safeguards of a supposedly civilised society with a legal system?

Because it’s illegal. The prison guards have to keep him alive.

Yes, I am aware, my argument is that it should not be illegal.

How about caring about the ethics, principles and safeguards of a supposedly civilised society with a legal system?

Not for child molesters, no.

@plumsageplum

Because it’s illegal. The prison guards have to keep him alive.

Yes, I am aware, my argument is that it should not be illegal.

How about caring about the ethics, principles and safeguards of a supposedly civilised society with a legal system?

Not for child molesters, no.

So who else in our society should get no protection for their life, in your opinion? And who gets to appoint themselves judge, jury and executioner? And what safeguards should we have for people's lives, and how do we decide when they don't apply?

Why do people think statements like this make them better humans? It's so facile.

I usually despair that certain prisoners in the UK are treated far too leniently, but I am truly shocked at the treatment of this man! He should be secluded yes, but he should also be given psychiatric help, a comfy place to rest and something to do with his time. His treatment is barbaric and he is being failed dreadfully, just as he has been his whole life. So sad.

Why do people think statements like this make them better humans? It's so facile.

I don't think it makes me a "better human", that's a strange assumption. I just feel a certain way about it. I recognise it's a position that is mostly unworkable and has all sorts of detrimental effects, but I can't lie and say I feel sad when a child molester is murdered or assaulted, I feel glad. Tbh, people who can feel that way and still hold to to the principles and ethics of our civilised society are probably the ""better"" humans.

@plumsageplum

Why do people think statements like this make them better humans? It's so facile.

I don't think it makes me a "better human", that's a strange assumption. I just feel a certain way about it. I recognise it's a position that is mostly unworkable and has all sorts of detrimental effects, but I can't lie and say I feel sad when a child molester is murdered or assaulted, I feel glad. Tbh, people who can feel that way and still hold to to the principles and ethics of our civilised society are probably the ""better"" humans.

Yes, they are. Think about that, and think about why.

An case for straightforward death penalty or lashing, much as I would passionately disagree with it, would arguably make more sense. At least it involves following due process and doesn't give carte blanche to vigilantes to take it upon themselves to decide who lives and who dies, validated by those who don't care about prisoners' safety.

You should care about prisoners' safety, even the worst of them, because to disregard that is to disregard the principles and safeguards that uphold our legal system. The principles amd safeguards that prevent any random person from appointing themselves judge, jury and executioner to someone else. That doesn't mean you have to shed tears if a child molester is killed, but you should care, because their safety is tied up in what is supposed to protect ALL of us.

That doesn't mean you have to shed tears if a child molester is killed, but you should care, because their safety is tied up in what is supposed to protect ALL of us.

But I don't care. I know I should, for the reasons you have given, but I don't. I can't force a feeling that isn't there and no rational thinking is going to create that feeling.

@plumsageplum

That doesn't mean you have to shed tears if a child molester is killed, but you should care, because their safety is tied up in what is supposed to protect ALL of us.

But I don't care. I know I should, for the reasons you have given, but I don't. I can't force a feeling that isn't there and no rational thinking is going to create that feeling.

Ok, you don't care emotionally. I daresay many people wouldn't. But you should care philosophically or intellectually, for want of a better phrase. Because like I said, if you truly have no regard on any level for the safety of prisoners, then you carry the same disregard for the principles of civilisation, and what protects you from being murdered by someone who thinks you deserve it.

It's not about you feeling personally saddened. It's more complex and far reaching than that.

I doubt he killed those men because they were pedos, they were the only men he could lure into his cell, probably no one else spoke to them in the prison. Don't invent a moral compass for him the poor bugger is criminally insane he doesn't need a Robin Hood status on top of everything else.

[quote Nomorepies]**@KurtWilde* he hasn't killed staff so* far.
Why don't you go share a cell with him and see how you get on.

If we don't hear from you, we'll assume the worst! [/quote]
What. The. Fuck. The guy killed CHILD ABUSERS. Just what are you suggesting?

What. The. Fuck. The guy killed CHILD ABUSERS. Just what are you suggesting?

Oh come on, it's obvious what she's suggesting and it's categorically not that you're a child abuser.

Quite the opposite. She's suggesting that if you truly think he's no risk to anyone who doesn't abuse children, you should feel perfectly safe in being locked up with him.

Would you?

I feel sorry for him in one way as it seems like he had a terrible childhood and that must have contributed to the person he became. It’s tragic.

But he is a killer. A sadistic one at that. He doesn’t “deserve a medal”, no matter who it was he murdered. He didn’t have the right to end anyone’s life for any reason. No one does. I’m not saying the people he killed are a huge loss to the world as they all appear to be scum, but we as a society can’t allow people to just kill whoever they feel like.

The conditions he exists in sound torturous. I’m assuming there’s a reason they are like that- so he can’t harm anyone including himself.

@Bucanarab

Yanbu. I've seen a few programmes / articles / interviews saying that once a prisoner loses hope they become incredibly unpredictable and dangerous as they've no reason to try and behave. Taking away all comforts, recreation, and hope is not the best way to make a prisoner less dangerous.

I think the issue is that he's incredibly dangerous anyway, having killed three fellow prisoners as well as his original victim, and being treated well previously obviously didn't ameliorate the danger he posed. He has demonstrated extraordinary degrees of sadism. They simply cannot risk the safety of other prison inmates and staff.

we as a society can’t allow people to just kill whoever they feel like.

And that's it in a nutshell.

other prisoners have a right to be safe.
Can't find myself caring too much about whether pedophiles are safe in prison.

If we were to take that attitude generally, it would only be a matter of time until someone who is totally innocent and who has been wrongly convicted gets killed. Or until the likes of Maudsley appoint themselves executioners of anyone who annoys them, regardless of the offence for which the victim might have been convicted. Suppose the victim is someone you love? Might you start caring then?

Hes previously said he saw the face of his own father on the victims, thats why he did what he did to their faces. He also believes if he'd of done what the voices were telling him - to kill his father - then all those lives would have been spared. I do feel for him, he's a very damaged man.

He needs to be in solitary confinement for others safety and the prison have made that possible long term. From what I gather, he does actually have a TV now. He also has visits from his brothers and writes lots of letters.

He does need to be kept solitary, his brain could flick at any moment with the amount of trauma he has sustained. Anyone he perceives as a child abuser, whether that is reality or not would be in danger when around him. The prison have done what they can.

@DrSbaitso

we as a society can’t allow people to just kill whoever they feel like.

And that's it in a nutshell.

Well that plus the fairly horrifying perspective of 'I hate sadistic people, let's let them be sadistically murdered' that seems to have come up a few times here.

YABU.

My husband is an prison officer. This man is in a supercell in Wakefield, not because of the crimes he originally committed but because of the danger he subsequently posed to other offenders and the staff who had to deal with this. He was in for murder anyway but at what point does he, a convicted murderer, get to decide who lives and who dies?

If you give him a TV, he could use the wire to hang himself. Other prisoners have sharpened weapons to hurt themselves or others from their furniture so any concerns about this, the prisoner is issued with cardboard furniture. It’s about keeping him safe from harm. There is a whole matrix of reasons why he is in a supercell but ultimately he is a danger to himself and others.

He actually plays board games with staff but obviously that’s not reported.

Also, his ‘concrete slab’ is covered by a mattress. We don’t need to believe everything we read in the press.

Well that plus the fairly horrifying perspective of 'I hate sadistic people, let's let them be sadistically murdered' that seems to have come up a few times here.

Haha, yeah.

It's kind of scary how many people find horrible violence, or devastating psychological/mental torment, that they would normally decry in the strongest terms, to be entirely palatable and even pleasurable, if you just get the right context.

As a few people have said, I can't bring myself to give a shit about this individual.

He only wants to kill pedophiles. I think the police should leave him to it because the world would be a better place if they didn't exist, otherwise explain to him that their lives can be put to good use and enforce that.

I don't agree that prison is the right place for this man, nor do I believe that his environment is suitable. His no quality of a life is being wasted

If he wants to kill himself he should be allowed to in these circumstances

Not sure I'd trust someone who has a history of sadistic torture to limit their murderous activity to pedophiles. Did the staff he dangled the corpses in front of not deserve to be protected from that.