To think we shouldn’t treat a prisoner like this?

[Puttingthekettleon]

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1523361/Robert-Maudsley-killer-die-Wakefield-Prison-glass-box/amp

A concrete slab to sleep on, no television, no music? Surely that’s just not right?

I’d release him so he could continue.

don’t recognise your username, do you namechange a lot?
Nope. Feel free to check with AS or MNHQ

I understand you don’t want this man to have any sort of entertainment whatsoever, not even the basics that other prisoners have. I also understand the reasons why the usual access to such entertainments aren’t possible. However, there is technology out there to make it possible. Whether you feel he should have access to it, or indeed whether I feel he should, is neither here nor there.

That’s the last time I’m going to respond to you, Pumps. Go get your jollies somewhere else.

Its clearly because he is a danger to himself and others. A matress or wooden furniture would be ways to kill himself or injure others.

Its an extreme case so I think extreme circumstances. Prisoners are not normally treated in this way.

Where is the money coming from to provide it to a violent prisoner? Where is the WiFi coming feom?

A custom made cell. An entire team effort job it is to solely look after him. 6 guards needed to escort him for 1hr for exercise each day.

I think a few hundred quid so he can at least listen to music is a drop in the ocean isn't it.

I read a book on the psychiatrist who treated him and the first victim maudsley killed in prison. They actually flayed him peeled the skin of him before they hung him .yes he was a child abuser and yes he deserved punishment. But such sick acts is why maudsley can never be released or with general prison population.

There might be the technology out there, but there absolutely is not the money! Also, there is no WiFi in prisons so any amazingly clever WiFi enabled ideas are simply silly suggestions.

It is perfectly possible to put a TV in a place where a very vulnerable prisoner can watch it, but not have physical access to it. Anyone who is that unwell is likely to have a prison officer supervising them constantly, so the officer can change the channel etc.

Prisons in most Northern European countries are incredibly humane, allowing prisoners to cook their own food, decorate their cells, have TV and (restricted/monitored) internet, etc. They also have the lowest re-offending rates in the world.
If your goal is to rehabilitate criminals and protect potential future victims, you treat them as humans - the punishment is loss of freedom, that doesn't have to include mental torture. Unless of course the cruelty is the point, which does seem to be the case for many people.

@YoComoManzanas

I imagine the parents of the 7yo girl Bill Roberts molested thought he did a good job....? Very tricky. Theres no reason why he couldn't have a tv played outside the viewing screen and music controlled by an alexa or similar. He would probably be safe to put in a womens prison too. Very tricky case and it seems he has been failed as a youngster. Also don't trust the daily express reporting though. Hmm. Thought provoking case.

Shall we do that and check if the women will be ok? Ffs. Unfuckingbelievable.

Where are people getting the idea he has zero entertainment from?

There is one single quote on that article that he wanted books/TV/music but that was from when he was moved from being in a different prison (where he would have had more free access to entertainment if he was in a "normal" prison wing) nowhere does it say that he spends 23hrs a day in silence and without any kind of entertainment, he probably just doesn't have free access to it or he is only allowed access to a very limited selection.

There are many articles from over the years that have stated he writes and receives letters and has had visitors so they clearly allow him paper and a writing implement, so I am sure they allow him books, there are probably just strict rules around him having them etc.

@Saucery

don’t recognise your username, do you namechange a lot? Nope. Feel free to check with AS or MNHQ

I understand you don’t want this man to have any sort of entertainment whatsoever, not even the basics that other prisoners have. I also understand the reasons why the usual access to such entertainments aren’t possible. However, there is technology out there to make it possible. Whether you feel he should have access to it, or indeed whether I feel he should, is neither here nor there.

That’s the last time I’m going to respond to you, Pumps. Go get your jollies somewhere else.

Your level of understanding means you can’t see the difference between what he can and can’t have, and why. So you see ‘oh poor man, everyone is being awful to him when Alexa exists!’ instead of actually giving it a second or two of thought, and trying to work out why that might be the case.

And here’s my evidence for saying this I understand you don’t want this man to have any sort of entertainment whatsoever. It’s literally how a child would comprehend this conversation. A child who’s so desperate for an argument, they’re happy to make themselves look ridiculous. And then start slinging mud when called on it.

And the fact he is not in a hospital but prison shows he is not ill just a nasty piece of work .and a shit childhood cant be blamed on everything his brother did not do those things .

@Moonbabysmum

Where is the money coming from to provide it to a violent prisoner? Where is the WiFi coming feom?

A custom made cell. An entire team effort job it is to solely look after him. 6 guards needed to escort him for 1hr for exercise each day.

I think a few hundred quid so he can at least listen to music is a drop in the ocean isn't it.

No, because those things already exist. We’re now talking about adapting that cell (from when it was made forty years ago) to include modern technology specifically for him. That’s not a couple of hundred quid: it’s WiFi (or internet access), plus the cost of the technology - plus an entire second custom-based cell to keep him in while his new technology is being put in his original cell, because he’s not safe anywhere else.

And prisons don’t have spare cash for entertainment anyway - most people don’t want their taxes going on keeping violent men occupied while they serve their time.

@aprilanne

And the fact he is not in a hospital but prison shows he is not ill just a nasty piece of work .and a shit childhood cant be blamed on everything his brother did not do those things .

I thought he'd been in hospital but murdered someone there so they've had to tf him to prison even though it's acknowledged he should be in hospital?

And he's not even in this plastic cage now, so all the discussion and hand-wringing over his inhumane treatment is just moot!

@Atozofpoodles

He deserves a medal not this.

For murdering four people?

They could make his life more comfortable

There isn’t the incentive to do this

He has proven that he unmanageable. So few prisoners are to his level so why make the effort

It isn’t right

There is a lot of naivety about what a prisoner can weaponise against themselves or others. They can use anything - paper to choke themselves on - bits of TV’s to Jill themselves with. This man was able to kill in a secure mental hospital - that is why he is where he is. Prison officers must be protected - they have done no wrong, yet spend every day of their working lives ‘at risk’ of assault or worse. They are an underpaid and undervalued profession who are keeping us all safe - so their safety is paramount.

This prisoner cannot be allowed to kill or injure other prisoners either - their punishment is to lose their liberty - not to be attacked by vigilante thugs or murderers.

That's what happens with uncontrollable prisoners I'm afraid. I worked in the prison service for 7 years.
They are just so dangerous and unpredictable they end up like this.
Unfortunately the UK is determined that nobody will be allowed to commit either suicide or have euthanasia so this is the result.
Prisons operate the same way that nursing homes do - keep them alive at all costs no matter what mental or physical pain they are suffering. The sooner this country allows euthanasia the better.
I've already saved up enough money for my own demise, I've been saving for years. It costs at least £10k and a one way ticket to Switzerland - completely unattainable for most pensioners.

The allowing people to take their own life is a subject that needs to be talked about more

Many still hold the view that people who take their own life are mentally unwell at the time

This isn’t the case and we need to accept some people are able to make a sound judgement on their own life and this isn’t influenced but how much money they have

Shehasadiamondinthesky I am not at all surprised you have made this decision given what you have seen some experience

@Veeveeoxox

I work in secure hospitals and frequently nurse people in seclusion. They have a mattress on the floor strong rip proof bedding and clothing recently 6 of us had to go in while being hit , punched and spat at, we had to give the patient an IM and take the improvised weapon which was a plastic bottle lid with the edges sharpened.

Some people will literally make weapons out of anything it would have been risk assessed and risk assessed and sadly Robert is just too dangerous to other prisoners and the staff to be let out of seclusion.

I'm in a similar field of work; this is spot on. The restrictions placed upon him will have been the result of a very detailed and specific risk assessment.

@StoneofDestiny

There is a lot of naivety about what a prisoner can weaponise against themselves or others. They can use anything - paper to choke themselves on - bits of TV’s to Jill themselves with. This man was able to kill in a secure mental hospital - that is why he is where he is. Prison officers must be protected - they have done no wrong, yet spend every day of their working lives ‘at risk’ of assault or worse. They are an underpaid and undervalued profession who are keeping us all safe - so their safety is paramount.

This prisoner cannot be allowed to kill or injure other prisoners either - their punishment is to lose their liberty - not to be attacked by vigilante thugs or murderers.

I won't give specifics in case someone recognises the incident but the most creative piece of weaponary I know of on a secure unit was a food item. Resulted in a death. There are so many 'how could x be used as a weapon' on this thread....just...trust the posters who are saying...you'd be surprised.

I would let him and all the peados in a room together and let them crack on.

Yes the sooner euthanasia is allowed the better

I would let him and all the peados in a room together and let them crack on.

Will you be volunteering to go in and clear up the mess afterwards, or do you propose to leave it to prison staff, emergency personnel, medical practitioners?

Let him kill himself? Obviously not that, so what?

Why not? If he's going to be spending the rest of his life in prison, under these conditions, what's the point in living?

other prisoners have a right to be safe.
Can't find myself caring too much about whether pedophiles are safe in prison.