to be alarmed by vaccine passports

[Loustew12]

Am I the only person who find the proposed extension of this alarming, given what's happening in Austria, where police are out checking the unvaccinated are hiding among the vaccinated? Gibraltar has 100% vaccination rate and cases are through the roof. So clearly being vaccinated doesn't 'stop the spread'. Therefore, there is no logical or justification for segregating society. It's surely a slippery slope to go down?

@sourcherie

I posted on the other thread about Austria - I live here. Your understanding of what’s happening has nothing to do with the reality of the situation.

Thank you. Was hoping one of you guys would pick thus up.

I find it difficult to understand why someone who has a mobile phone is too worried about privacy. Or is that different because its private companies gathering your data and not the state?

I agree, plus people don't seem to be too concerned about how much information they give out on various forms of social media! I couldn't care less about vacccination certificates.

@Worldgonecrazy yes, of course not being fat also decreases the risk of hospitalisation and long term illness, but I'm not going to catch being fat, am I?

[quote BonesInTheOcean]**@pafmo* and where she lives city*[/quote]
Blimey.
And here's us worried about the fact that my pass tells the world I had AZ on 3/3 and then again on 4/5.
Or, possibly not.

The point of limiting Covid spread is to reduce pressure on the health system. Fat people, smokers and alcoholics cause tremendous strain already. Why should they be free to indulge themselves with impunity at the expense of the health system when the technology and infrastructure exists to limit them in the way they won't limit themselves.
Why shouldn't DV offenders have limits placed to stop them travelling to where their victims live and work.
Anyone hoovering up more than their fair share of resources should be looked at closely now. There is no reason not to.

For events I am happy with the requirement for either a test 8r proof of vaccination.

I also think that health care workers that are unvaccinated should keep their jobs, but be tested daily. Although if this is still a thing in 2 years (looking like it will be imo) then that should be revised as daily testing will cost money.

[quote OrangeIsTheNewRed]@Worldgonecrazy yes, of course not being fat also decreases the risk of hospitalisation and long term illness, but I'm not going to catch being fat, am I?[/quote]
Brain boggles man still it's given me a much needed chuckle to start the day. So thankyou to that poster

[quote fungussingstheblues]@gamerchick you can't catch fat from someone, no, but if you're over 30 you're more likely to catch and transmit Covid if you are vaccinated - so what's the point of the passports? To encourage a greater uptake of the vaccine that will make you more likely to catch and transmit Covid if you're over 30?

www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-surveillance-reports[/quote]
This is not true - it's an illusion caused by the use of inaccurate population figures.
fullfact.org/health/daily-sceptic-phe-over-40s/

Yanbu
This is so scary to watch happening in what feels like slow motion with half the world oblivious and practically blindly throwing away our freedoms. Definitely a slippery slope and for those who think ' it's OK, I don't care I've been vaccinated I'm happy to have vaccine passports' it won't be long before you're using your rights too and who's going to stand up for you?
What if you have your next booster and have a bad reaction and don't want any more? Bam! No vaccine passport. Unfair but so is the whole situation!!
A lot of people don't need it as they've had covid etc or simply don't wish to take part in the trials. It's illegal to mandate a trial vaccine also.
'The World has gone crazy ' spot on post!!!

[quote OrangeIsTheNewRed]@Worldgonecrazy yes, of course not being fat also decreases the risk of hospitalisation and long term illness, but I'm not going to catch being fat, am I?[/quote]
Well you being fat helps normalise fatness and subsequent ill health within the population. Your being fat also uses nhs resources that could otherwise be freed up for those in need through no fault of their own. Your being fat increases the waiting list for surgeries and requires more resources in any surgeries you need.

So no,I won’t catch fatness, though there is evidence that fat people spread respiratory viruses more than healthy people. And your being fat affects my access to healthcare in many non covid ways. A high percentage of non elderly admissions for covid are fat people, so fat people are also affecting access to covid care for the elderly and other who are cev.

‘You can’t catch fatness’ isn’t the gotcha you think it is. Your fatness affects us all.

creased man. Ah you're a tonic.

@fangussingtheblue making a statement and posting a link isn't evidence when the link absolutely does not support the statement. The vaccine is slightly less effective in older adults due to an overall weaker immune system and waning effectiveness (hence boosters), but that is not the same as saying that it increases the risk of transmission compared to unvaccinated over 30s.

[quote fungussingstheblues]@gamerchick you can't catch fat from someone, no, but if you're over 30 you're more likely to catch and transmit Covid if you are vaccinated - so what's the point of the passports? To encourage a greater uptake of the vaccine that will make you more likely to catch and transmit Covid if you're over 30?

www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-surveillance-reports[/quote]
That is hilarious. So you're point is that being vaccinated makes you MORE likely to catch and transmit CV? Are you that unintelligent or just think we are?

They are putting our healthcare system at risk, and their actions may mean that the rest of us may need to face restrictions again

Vaccines may not Covid spreading by as much as we had initially hoped, but they do a bloody brilliant job at reducing hopsitilations / deaths

Well said.

The government no longer cares about case numbers. Focussing on whether it stops the spread, as the opening post does, is missing the most important point.

The government cares very much indeed about numbers admitted to hospital.

And the unvaccinated are the biggest risk for severe disease. That number therefore needs to be as small as possible

(aside from those with certain underlying conditions, but the government can't do anything about them other than offer third primary to the 500,000 most at risk)

We really need the NHS to be able to cope through the winter, and to be able to tackle the backlog effectively next year. This cannot happen if ICUs are full of covid patients, and a large number of infectious disease wards are still needed.

Irrespective of policy decisions in the past which have led to current (lack of) beds, is the best way forwards to reduce the number filled by unvaccinated covid patients?

If so, then it's either get the vaccine or risk lockdown either for those who choose not to be vaccinated or for everyone (the only way to reduce total numbers, hoped not to be necessary ever again, but it will be if hospital admissions cannot be controlled)

Fungusingtgeblues you can't catch covid from a healthy person either no matter what msm will have you believe! Common sense went out the window along with our freedoms.
It's so nice to see so many people awake on this thread too.

@Scarcity20

Fungusingtgeblues you can't catch covid from a healthy person either no matter what msm will have you believe! Common sense went out the window along with our freedoms. It's so nice to see so many people awake on this thread too.

Hmm, define heakthy person for me please? I'm not really sure what you mean.

Also, we need to wake up, do we? Now where have I heard that catch phrase before?

@Jammydodge2
Not linking to your post because I've reported it, but why are you as a "fully vaccinated frontline nurse" against vaccine passes, ergo against vaccines?

My fear is that a drunk driver will run me over, then, when I get to hospital all the emergency beds will be full of smokers having heart attacks. It might even be my child who needs the bed that the smokers are taking up.
I'm not sure why people think smoking is not worse than being unvaccinated.

@Worldgonecrazy for the record, I'm a triple jabbed slim jim. Very healthy indeed.

I take all necessary steps to be as healthy as possible, including gratefully receiving all recommended vaccines. A member of my family has a compromised immune system due to a long term disease. They are at extra, avoidable risk because of coming into contact with people who are unvaccinated by choice.

Honestly, why on earth can't people see the bigger picture with vaccine passports? As a previous poster says, once we give up freedoms and allow ourselves to be restricted due to a certain status we are never getting them back - where does that end? I'm actually gobsmacked that so many people are for them, but this is the 'I'm alright jack' attitude that all those that have had the vaccine accuse those who have chosen not to be. You can choose to live in a country where the state restricts freedom due to refusing an invasive medical procedure but I sure don't want that and will fight against it.

Thanks guys, I enjoyed a good chuckle this morning and some anti vax bingo

• mainstream media
• hitler
• comparing vaccine passports to the Holocaust
• paranoia about our data (while openly giving away private data online without a care in the world)
• vaccine passports don’t work
• nice straw man argument about fat people
• crazed exaggeration of use of vaccine passports.

It’s the gift that keeps on giving! Keep up the good work guys. Reminds me of that crazy government are out to get us post back in lockdown that ran to like 6 threads. If I remember correctly according to that thread we should all be in internment camps by now

I am also fully vaccinated and now qualify for a booster so will book it when they open bookings for 40 somethings next week.

But I fundamentally disagree with vaccine passports except maybe for very large indoor events but not for things like cafes and swimming pools. It is wrong to coerce people into having the vaccine.

Other countries have had vaccine passports for months and their infection rates are still increasing massively so they clearly don't help that much. That said, I am in favour of wearing masks in shops and on public transport and the fact that they are still mandated in Scotland and Wales doesn't seem to mean their infection rates are lower than in England, so who knows what the answer is.

nice straw man argument about fat people

Is it? I don't know, but I'd hazard a guess that obesity-related diseases cost the NHS more to treat than covid (excluding the costs of testing and vaccines - and test and trace).

If the fat people argument is a straw man, please feel free to ice apart.

Fatness makes you more at risk of covid, makes you more likely to use nhs resource both short and long term, and more likely to spread covid if you have it. It’s hardly a straw man argument.

I’m glad you find the ill health of the nation so funny.

I don’t think it’s a laughing matter.