to be alarmed by vaccine passports

[Loustew12]

Am I the only person who find the proposed extension of this alarming, given what's happening in Austria, where police are out checking the unvaccinated are hiding among the vaccinated? Gibraltar has 100% vaccination rate and cases are through the roof. So clearly being vaccinated doesn't 'stop the spread'. Therefore, there is no logical or justification for segregating society. It's surely a slippery slope to go down?

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Really? They are planning to stop people visit food places if they dont have a covid passport, what next adopt the nobody vaccinated leave the house? And you call that a hyperbole, i call it reality.

@Annoymouser2

Forcing a trial vaccine on the masses and anyone daring not to take the vaccine will lose their jobs and in some countries their liberties, it all sounds familiar no? Anyone with common sense knows this is wrong! Who is anyone to dictate what others do with their bodies and what they put into it? Seeing as its a trial drug the governments should actually wait to find out the longterm side affects before they force anyone to have it.

My own opinion

It's not your own opinion. You've copied it from the rest of the conspiracy theorists. Do you even care how many would be dead by now if it weren't for the vaccine?

@Annoymouser2

Forcing a trial vaccine on the masses and anyone daring not to take the vaccine will lose their jobs and in some countries their liberties, it all sounds familiar no? Anyone with common sense knows this is wrong! Who is anyone to dictate what others do with their bodies and what they put into it? Seeing as its a trial drug the governments should actually wait to find out the longterm side affects before they force anyone to have it.

My own opinion

And such a total misunderstanding of the science too.

@Annoymouser2

Really? They are planning to stop people visit food places if they dont have a covid passport, what next adopt the nobody vaccinated leave the house? And you call that a hyperbole, i call it reality.

I think that you and reality parted company a long time ago.

You know youve lost the argument when you resort to name calling. Bye now

@Annoymouser2

Really? They are planning to stop people visit food places if they dont have a covid passport, what next adopt the nobody vaccinated leave the house? And you call that a hyperbole, i call it reality.

Where are they planning to do that? Go on. Get thee to the Google wormhole.

@Annoymouser2

You know youve lost the argument when you resort to name calling. Bye now

And yet you have no argument, just spurious stuff that you’ve cribbed from the darkest recesses of the internet,

Small shops have the choice, limit customers inside to extremely small numbers (1 per 20sq m if I remember rightly) or require vaccine passports.
The result is that even though the law requiring vaccine passports is only limited to larger shops, small shops are pretty much forced into it as otherwise they have to so limit entry that they can no longer trade. So you do need a vaccine passport to shop for food.

I'm not sure this follows. I'm in Italy and here there has always been a limit on the number of customers per square metre so with some of my local shops that means one person at a time. It doesn't stop people shopping there, you just wait outside rather than in.

The irony of someone likening showing a QR code so that they don't risk, y'know, infecting somebody else with something that might kill them to the Holocaust and then having the balls to say it's others doing the name-calling....

Ive had both vaccines, know wjat im doin just now, sitting on my couch with covid. So again dont tell others what to do with their bodies when it comes to vaccines. Im all for free choice, i dont tell people to not smoke, dont drink, not eat etc because you know, its none of my business, just like its not yours.

@Annoymouser2

Ive had both vaccines, know wjat im doin just now, sitting on my couch with covid. So again dont tell others what to do with their bodies when it comes to vaccines. Im all for free choice, i dont tell people to not smoke, dont drink, not eat etc because you know, its none of my business, just like its not yours.

And your point is?

Ive had both vaccines, know wjat im doin just now, sitting on my couch with covid.

And?
Those vaccines are also designed to reduce the severity of the Illness, without them you may well have been in hospital (or even ITU).

@Annoymouser2

Slippery slope indeed, yellow stars and ghettos in the war era spring to mind.

Since MN have deleted my post for daring to describe this POV as idiotic, let me restate it. It’s also very insulting to the victims of the Holocaust to be dragged into bullshit like this.

Look it's not about the medical data.

It's about the morality of it.

@Annoymouser2

Slippery slope indeed, yellow stars and ghettos in the war era spring to mind.

Conflating an evidence-based time-bound public health measure to protect specific groups with the Nazi persecution of Jews in the Holocaust is frankly disgusting. It minimises that horror by trying to draw such a comparison.

Jews have asked for it to stop. Minimising the Holocaust actively feeds anti-Semitism.

@DismantledKing agreed. it’s disgusting equating anything to do with covid to the suffering of the Holocaust.

@JollyJoon

Look it's not about the medical data.

It's about the morality of it.

The morality of people being too selfish or foolish to be immunised?

Seeing as its a trial drug the governments should actually wait to find out the longterm side affects before they force anyone to have it.

This is also total misinformation. None of the vaccines we’re using, in the way they’re being used, are in trial.

*Having the vaccine reduces the chance of hospitalisation and serious illness.

So does not being fat.*

But sitting next to a fat person at an event or on a train or plane does not put you at risk of becoming fat. Sitting next to someone with Covid does put you at risk of catching Covid. THAT'S why people have vaccine passports!

Ive had both vaccines, know wjat im doin just now, sitting on my couch with covid. So again dont tell others what to do with their bodies when it comes to vaccines. Im all for free choice, i dont tell people to not smoke, dont drink, not eat etc because you know, its none of my business, just like its not yours.

Hope you are better soon. But maybe you hadn't had the jabs you wouldn't be sitting on your couch with Covid, you might be in ITU with it.

And people are not told not to smoke or drink, but they ARE told to smoke in indoor public places, and not to drink just before driving! It's the same with vaccine passports - you don't have to have the jab, but you may need to have it if you want to go to crowded indoor public events, or travel on potentially crowded public transport (which are also settings where you aren't allowed to smoke!)

Who is anyone to dictate what others do with their bodies and what they put into it?

But if you go next to people unvaccinated (especially if you don't have regular tests), then you may be dictating to them that they put YOUR germs into their bodies!

They are human beings, not disease vectors.

It's possible to be both.

I am a mega fan of vaccine passports. Anything that helps us to move on and get back to normal is fine by me. There’s no point in this anti vax wittering - all you’re doing is prolonging it for everyone and putting other people and yourself at higher risk.