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Elderly Neighbour. WWYD?

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CSIblonde · 14/11/2021 07:48

Since I moved, I've had a weekly coffee with my neighbour, at his instigation. He's 70, lots of family locally, who he sees daily. It was fine at first, but now he won't stop asking me to go for a meal with him. I felt that was too much as he said he wouldn't split the bill or take turns paying. He also said worryingly "We'll go tor a few meal's & maybe see what happens". I very firmly squashed the more than friendship angle he was hinting at , but he's still bringing it up all the time, like a broken record. I now want to stop the weekly coffee as his persisting is making me uneasy. But that feels mean . WWYD?

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AliceWo · 14/11/2021 14:29

I was in this situation, same ages, but minus the coffees. I agreed to a meal as I felt sorry for him and saw him as a lonely old man.

Huge mistake - he took it as a massive green light to hassle me in the following weeks, knocking on my doors and peering through windows if I didn't answer, trying to insist I have dinner with him, acting in general as if he owned me. We now don't speak at all, which is fine with me, as he utterly creeps me out.

billy1966 · 14/11/2021 14:31

@Haveyoubrushedyourteethtoday

Throw off those socially conditioned ‘be nice’ shackles and tell him he’s crossed the line and you won’t be seeing him anymore.

He’s a creep. He probably always was one.

This.

Stop being nice.

He isn't.

FinallyHere · 14/11/2021 14:36

Another entitled man / woman socialised to be 'nice'.

Stop being available for coffee, don't make any excuses beyond sorry 'doesn't work this week for me'.

You don't owe any explanation as anything you say as excuse will either be misinterpreted or used to demolish your argument.

Simples.

Are there any other places in life where you think you should let other people walk all over you? Best clean those up while you are at it.

dottiedodah · 14/11/2021 14:49

Penners99 Tell him to "fuck off to the far side of fuck ,and then fuck off some more" Priceless ! laughed out loud

Voice0fReason · 14/11/2021 14:59

@Justheretoaskaquestion91

Why is it creepy? He is just making a pass at her, which is his right. He probably thinks he is engaging in “the chase”. OP needs to be firm and shut it down. I agree with the posters saying the thing is 70 isn’t elderly.
It's creepy because of his presumption. He didn't ask if she was interested in a relationship, if she would like to see where it went after a few drinks - he TOLD her that's what they were doing. That shows his entitlement and that is creepy.
WhereYouLeftIt · 14/11/2021 15:06

@CSIblonde

Since I moved, I've had a weekly coffee with my neighbour, at his instigation. He's 70, lots of family locally, who he sees daily. It was fine at first, but now he won't stop asking me to go for a meal with him. I felt that was too much as he said he wouldn't split the bill or take turns paying. He also said worryingly "We'll go tor a few meal's & maybe see what happens". I very firmly squashed the more than friendship angle he was hinting at , but he's still bringing it up all the time, like a broken record. I now want to stop the weekly coffee as his persisting is making me uneasy. But that feels mean . WWYD?
Ah, that dratted female socialisation that makes us be polite, be nice, be kind, even in situations where our gut is telling us to get out Grin.

You were trying to be neighbourly. He has misread that as romantic attraction. TBH, he'd probably have misread you turning him down for coffee as 'ooh, she's playing hard to get, she must be interested in me!'.

So - stop being nice and polite. If you want to be kind, remember that sometimes you must be 'cruel to be kind' (in a 'yes your bum does look big in that, shall we find you something else to wear' kind of way). You're going to need to put your Big Girl Pants on and be blunt and firm. Something along the lines of

'I don't want to go for a meal with you. You seem to think that's going to lead to romance, and it just isn't. I've already told you that, but still you persist; and frankly, your refusal to hear the word "no" is really creeping me out, and you need to stop it now.'

Don't soften it, don't spare his feelings (he has no regard for yours).

And if you want to stop the weekly coffee, do so. 'Having coffee seems to raise your hopes of more so I think it's best if we just knock it on the head'.

As for "But that feels mean" - no it isn't. What is mean is not listening when your neighbour - an acquaintance! - tells you "no". Now THAT is really mean!

JesusIsAnyNameFree · 14/11/2021 15:07

@icedcoffees

A quick google says there is.

VinylCafe · 14/11/2021 16:34

[quote JesusIsAnyNameFree]@icedcoffees

A quick google says there is.[/quote]
Where? Can you post a link?

icedcoffees · 14/11/2021 16:41

[quote JesusIsAnyNameFree]@icedcoffees

A quick google says there is.[/quote]
Where, exactly? Could you provide a link please as I can't seem to find an official definition anywhere.

Some links say it's as young as 60, some as old as 80. There doesn't appear to an official source that says "Once you're 65, you are classed as elderly".

Many websites say that at 65 you're considered old, but old and elderly are, to me anyway, not the same thing.

Theresa May is 65. I really wouldn't consider her elderly!

MsTSwift · 14/11/2021 16:43

Just because you are working and run marathons if you are over 70 you are elderly - some bizarre magical thinking on this thread!

dottiedodah · 14/11/2021 17:00

At 52 to his 70 he is a full 18 years older than you . That is creepy and he needs taking to one side to be told no more coffees, and you are very busy WFH.

icedcoffees · 14/11/2021 17:04

@MsTSwift

Just because you are working and run marathons if you are over 70 you are elderly - some bizarre magical thinking on this thread!
It's not about "magical thinking", though. I'm early thirties so it's not like I'm worried about being labelled elderly by someone on MN Grin

It's just that my definition of elderly is the oldest people in society - given there are people in the UK who live into their eighties, nineties and hundreds - 65 doesn't seem remotely elderly to me. Someone of 65 could easily live another 20-30 years beyond that age without it being considered too remarkable.

Do you really consider Theresa May to be elderly? Or Bjorn Borg? Both turned 65 this year and both are incredibly far off what I'd consider an "elderly" person to be!

Joe Biden is what I'd refer to as elderly.

Whose · 14/11/2021 17:22

I wonder if genders were reversed, a younger man would feel "mean" for not continuing coffees with a much older woman who was hitting on him?

JesusIsAnyNameFree · 14/11/2021 17:25

@icedcoffees

Like you, I am finding conflicting info on it. There's mainly talk about how we should maybe change the definition and make 70 or even 75 elderly.

To me elderly means old person. 65 is old.
And yes I would call Theresa May elderly.

DixonD · 14/11/2021 17:29

@CSIblonde

I'm going to be too busy for coffees in future I think. I do see 70 as elderly if the person is very obviously mentally & physically in decline: which he is. Repeats same stories every time, very forgetful, very frail etc. I suppose the coffee started because I used to have a much older friend in her 80's & I miss that friendship. But she was , in mind & body, like a woman half her age . I can see him turning nasty if I keep accepting the offer if coffee, but turn down the taking me to dinner.
Elderly is 80+.

Anyone of any age can be in physical and mental decline for millions of reasons.

Elderly is defined by age, not condition.

DixonD · 14/11/2021 17:30

[quote JesusIsAnyNameFree]@icedcoffees

Like you, I am finding conflicting info on it. There's mainly talk about how we should maybe change the definition and make 70 or even 75 elderly.

To me elderly means old person. 65 is old.
And yes I would call Theresa May elderly.[/quote]
You must be under 20?

Theresa May is not elderly.

My 90 year old grandparents are elderly!

My mother is 67 and extremely fit. She’s not old.

IncompleteSenten · 14/11/2021 17:31

Elderly isn't an insult 🙄 in this youth worship society it's somehow a foul thing to call someone. It's not. There is nothing wrong with being middle aged, old or elderly. It's simply the truth of the human lifespan. Honestly, the way some people get about it you'd think it was a terrible, horrible, insulting thing to be.

OP, you need to be honest with him. Tell him that you aren't interested in him and feel it is not appropriate to continue getting coffees with him if he is hoping for a relationship

Whereismumhiding3 · 14/11/2021 17:32

@icedcoffees
I don't know why you keeping hassling PPs

"officially" someone is an older person aged 65 or above - for the DWP, LAs and social care, primary and secondary health services, housing, and council services

  • 65 is the criteria age for Older Persons Mental health services, older age teams in social care for example

That's what PPs mean. It used to be the latest age of retirement and it's the age at which when people access (move to) "older persons" services

It's not relevant to thread really though . Neighbour is 18 years (one generation) older than OP. What's more important is that he won't take no for an answer, is creeping op out and needs cutting off

JesusIsAnyNameFree · 14/11/2021 17:35

@DixonD

Nope, I'm very much an adult. 65 is still old.

icedcoffees · 14/11/2021 18:04

@Whereismumhiding3 I'm not "hassling" anyone lol. Nobody needs to reply if they don't want to :)

It's just an internet forum - don't take it so seriously.

icedcoffees · 14/11/2021 18:06

[quote JesusIsAnyNameFree]@DixonD

Nope, I'm very much an adult. 65 is still old.[/quote]
Do you not think "old" and "elderly" are two different things, though?

Theresa May is 100% not what I'd consider elderly, whereas I would say my 90+ yo grandparents were elderly when they died.

JesusIsAnyNameFree · 14/11/2021 18:10

@icedcoffees

No, old and elderly are the same to me.

notanothertakeaway · 14/11/2021 18:54

His age / your age / whether other people would consider a relationship with an age gap = all completely irrelevant

All that matters is that you're rejecting his advances

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 14/11/2021 19:04

@TalkingtoLangClegintheDark

I now want to stop the weekly coffee as his persisting is making me uneasy. But that feels mean.

That’s your female socialisation talking. The whole #bekind thing.

Ever noticed how it’s only women who are expected to #bekind?

Is he being kind to you? Does he care if he’s being mean to you by behaving like a creepy perv? Does he care if he makes you feel awkward and uncomfortable? Does he care whether you’re even reciprocating his interest?

No, of course he isn’t/doesn’t. He wants something from you and he’s not interested in whether you want that too or not. His wants. That’s all he cares about.

But your female socialisation is making you worry about being mean to him. Despite the fact his persistence is making you feel actually uneasy.

Listen to that unease. Pay attention to it. It’s good advice from your instincts. It’s warning you that this man may be a predator, elderly or not. Enough men his age still get convicted of sex offences. A man who was a creep at 40 doesn’t stop being a creep when he’s 70. He’s trying to pressure you to do something you don’t want to do already: that’s a sign he might try to pressure you to do other things you don’t want to do further down the line.

Be “mean”. Put yourself first. He has no qualms about putting himself first; why shouldn’t you?

This... 100%
Partnersworries · 14/11/2021 19:44

Just treat him the same as any man. A firm thanks but no thanks. You value him as a friend (assuming you do) but don’t see things going any further.

Apologies if you’ve already been clear on this, not hinting but clear. If he continues to push after that, then give him a wide berth!