Joining mi6- this is crazy right?

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So posting for traffic.

Pre warned this is crazy but I promise it’s true.

I’d posted under another nickname of brother who has a history of lying and I’m not talking little white lies I’m talking pathological as well as really frankly dangerous behaviour. Stole pension money from elderly grandmother (was her x mas money and he cut it out of her suitcase), stole 10k worth of jewellery, pushed father undergoing chemo over, held knife to mothers throat, not mentioning the amount of times he hit me 6 ways to Sunday. He was never held accountable for anything which is why I think we have this issue today.

But the previous post was an elaborate tale of him joining the navy. He told this to my very sick (and now passed away father), he bought a few Royal Navy T-shirt’s from the highstreet (pretending they were part of his training uniform), army style boots and epaulettes from god knows where to illustrate the scam. No military in the family so all a bit ignorant on this. DF unbeknownst to everyone was suffering and easily confused, he totally fell for it. Brother, mid 30s , was at the time working as a waiter (earning close to min wage, no shaming here just for income purposes) made several elaborate purchases in a year that as a minimum would have cost 50k. Father was wealthy, it is my strong suspicion that the navy was used to gain money from a v sick and vulnerable person. Reason for believing it’s a scam there was no commendation ceremony, he alleged you get epaulettes as a gesture of good will from the navy and said he was so skilled they fast tracked his application and shortened basic training and was offered an incredibly senior commanding position with 0 experience.

This was 4 months ago, brother is still working as a waiter but now is telling other vulnerable relatives (widowed mum and GM) that he’s been enrolled in mi6 as an intelligence operative as they work under authority of the navy (of which is apparently as the rank of lieutenant commander), there are implications he’ll need money to move to london to do this. He’s screenshotted me his application, which just confirms an application submitted, not a post being offered and he said he can’t disclose more for ‘issues of national security’ and that image was from 12 weeks ago, but I looked online and it says it’s a 9 months hiring process, obviously because caliber of the person needs to be seriously vetted.

Can anyone confirm that his story is bollox? He can’t be joining mi6? He also said they have a join whenever start date policy. I’m concerned this is yet another scam and each time he gets away with it and leaves me to pick up the pieces of humiliated and upset relatives who despite past knowledge fall for it every single time.

The steer from family will be to carry on as if it’s true but I’m sure this has to be a crime? And I can’t be complicit in that.

I also have real concerns about how dangerous he could be if successful in application.

Reminds me of the guy in the books (true stories) by Mary Turner Thomson. She was involved with a man who claimed to also be in MI6. Also a great book by Carolyn Woods who got taken for every penny and I think the conman also said he was in a government agency.

I don't think mi6 hire pension thieves.

The developed vetting would include speaking with family and friends, so you would have chance to set them straight. Not that I think he would get further than filed under B1N if he submitted the snapshotted application you saw. Not clear why he had to apply as per everyone a member of general public, if the navy has put him forward though - hmm!
You can pretend to be whatever you want, call yourself whatever you like - it becomes fraudulent if you gain benefit from it, which is obviously the only reason your bro is doing it, but proof of that could be difficult and family do tend to let it go.

I was married to a bit of a Mitty - the whole school playground (very small area) thought I was just a cow when I was offhand about his sister being killed in a hit and run - maybe as he hadn’t got a sister and forgot to tell me his excuse for being off work in a local firm that day - so embarrassing- he did get dangerous at one point however when things weren’t going his preferred way. However, he was small fry compared to your situation and I could, and did, divorce him.
I would honestly stay well out of his way, check everything around your identity is exceptionally secure, and keep a log of any and all incidents you know about.
Good luck OP must be awful for you.

From what I know, based on family experience, it can take the best part of a year to be approved to work at GCHQ. I can't imagine that MI6 would be any less rigorous.

@wentworthinmate

Reminds me of the guy in the books (true stories) by Mary Turner Thomson. She was involved with a man who claimed to also be in MI6. Also a great book by Carolyn Woods who got taken for every penny and I think the conman also said he was in a government agency.

Yes me too! Op, another recommendation for this book!

I would just say to him and family

"OF COURSE it's another of his lies/scams/fantasies. His personal history alone would disqualify him from any security clearance ; and they WILL find out all the horrible details. "

I worry about your M. She refuses to believe anything bad about him - it's storing up trouble for the future. OP - please don't play his game or keep his secrets. He is going to end up in prison or a secure unit at some point in the future. He's a violent, lying, sociopathic criminal, and you should be having nothing to do with him.

Your brother patently has a significant mental illness; he should be evaluated by a mental health professional. For as long as he remains undiagnosed, my advice would be to keep him at arms length wherever possible.

I think you should get your family prepared for their MI6 interviews then!!! (Like your “friend”.…That’ll make him squirm!)
The thing with families who have an arsehole member like this is that they’re so desperate for him to be a decent human that they have to help try and hold up the screen for the image to be projected onto… They absolutely don’t want their bubble to burst, so that THEY have to face the truth because it’s too painful.

Can anyone confirm that his story is bollox? Yes, it's crazy.

Of course it is. The whole thing is ridiculous and absolute cobblers. A family member of mine works alongside people in military intelligence. They are not going to offer your crook of a brother a job in a million years.

I'm somewhat concerned that you are gullible enough to even consider whether it might be true, but I am considerably more concerned that he has been conning (even more gullible) vulnerable elderly people out of their life savings.

You have to protect your elderly relatives from fraud and financial abuse, so for crying out loud, go to the police.

@Oldraver

Look you know from all the advice on your other thread that everything he says is bullshit

Why are you entertaining the idea he could actually be joining MI6 ? Surely you know deep down it's all poppycock

If you are actually bothered about vunerable relatives then you need to challenge him and keep challenging him, not looking things up onlibe etc

I do appreciate where you’re coming from @Oldraver. I think as a PP said, with someone like this and a situation as frankly bizarre as this you are 99.7% sure it’s entirely bollox with sinister motives, but that 0.3% niggles, especially when in my case you have no experience in either of these areas. I know it all sounds ridiculous but then so are some of the stories about my work but they are gospel truth. Also outing his lies does cause a lot to hurt, which is why I want to be sure, because the second I cal BS ‘publicly’ on something that’s actually even remotely true gives him all the ammo he needs to say I’m lying about everything else. So I do need to tread carefully here. Due to his personality being v violent we don’t see each other so I’m not in a position nor actually do I feel comfortable backing him into a corner, especially as his last text was basically a threat.

I warned family about the navy scam when I found out and have proof it was BS, as I’ve said upthread M didn’t believe me even with proof and GM questioned B on it and this brought the mi6 thing to light. DH and I don’t know what to do except basically cut contact with him, and frankly I’m too embarrassed to ask friends, the fact my brother is like this is humiliating, and arguably could jeopardise my career too, hence the posting online. I do also feel this incredible sense of guilt that I didn’t know about the navy scam earlier and wasn’t able to ‘protect’ DF from being duped by it. To bring props to a sick man’s bedside to further sell your lie, literally makes me feel sick. So I’m quite stuck.
I’d never even thought of contacting social services or the GPs and police for safe guarding purposes, i think that’s a really good idea- massive shout out to @IamtheDevilsAvocado for suggesting and all the other really solid ideas here!

@Justilou1

I think you should get your family prepared for their MI6 interviews then!!! (Like your “friend”.…That’ll make him squirm!) The thing with families who have an arsehole member like this is that they’re so desperate for him to be a decent human that they have to help try and hold up the screen for the image to be projected onto… They absolutely don’t want their bubble to burst, so that THEY have to face the truth because it’s too painful.

This is exactly it @Justilou1, hit the nail on the head. They’d rather give him a few thousand quid each year then admit to themselves that it’s all a con to take money from them.

GM was utterly heartbroken that the navy could be a lie and one of the last words her son heard before passing away was lies, i actually can’t put it into words, the poor woman. The mi6 thing must have given her enough false hope to believe that’s not true, it’s so heartbreaking.

With taking money off your DF could you go to police about fraud or contact action fraud to prevent him from getting money off other relatives or funding for relocating for mi6 job?

Christ op if your family have been facilitating this sociopath for years ( everyone carrying fake cards etc) then , kindly, I don’t know why you are causing yourself harm and stress, when they clearly don’t want to know? .
Keep yourself , DC and finances safe away from him , tell your family that you don’t want to hear about him and be prepared to fight him over future estates that he ll no doubt try and swizz.
Let go. Your family are adults. This isn’t normal.

DF hads a girlfriend ( lady friend?) and one of her many sons was prolific at stealing cash , opening credit on their names, fake accounts etc and basically all the siblings were told just to deal with it. Until eventually he stole many many thousands from the mother, went on a spending spree and presumably, thought no one would do or say anything , as per the other times.
Ended up in jail.
Couldn’t believe he wasn’t there already !

Best of luck. Don’t give this sociopath headspace anymore

Oh how I completely get what you are going through. Sorry you are going through this OP.

Where to start.

Had a great relationship with my sibling for years, but they would say things that just didn't ring true. Sibling was seeing another person 20 years older than them, whilst the other person was still married.

10 years into their relationship the spouse found out and kicked their OH out, meaning this spouse was now free to marry sibling.

We found out a few undesirable things about siblings OH. It was in the local paper many years ago. Things that included children. We were the messengers and now we have hell to pay for it.

Sibling has been spreading false stories about my children, their nieces and nephews, including my OH. Saying things like one of my children harmed another one of my children - in a really bad way - the type of way that has hunters coming to peoples doors. It's not true. Saying things like my OH attacked children with a knife - again not true.

Saying that I battered my children and that they are always smelly - had repeated social services at my door to find out that the kids were fine. Anon phone calls - I know where they are coming from.

It is absolutely exhausting. My only choice left to me was to cut sibling off. I'm the black sheep - because sibling has family wrapped round their finger.

Last post on siblings fb page was on 30th September with yet another lie and their pals piling in, believing siblings lies and regurgitating everything sibling has said. They don't name us - far too smart. Phoned the police and unless they name us, they can't do a thing.

Sibling is very competitive. Can't wait to marry the love of their life to stick it to OH's ex

Meanwhile I am trying to better myself in college, currently studying HND in Administration and go off to uni and this stress of sibling constantly back on my mind again is taking its toll on my mental health.

I completely get where you are coming from with the made up BS stories. Sounds like your sibling is the same only making up stories about himself, but wreaking havoc on the family, manipulating them and leaving you exhausted. Hugs.

Sibling is still with her OH

You should stay out of it. Your family should work it out for themselves. You’re putting yourself at massive risk.

OP, your story of your brother reminds me of mine, except my brother is not violent. He has something pathological wrong with him. There have been countless cases of stealing from relatives, of fraud, of pathological lying. He just seems to have developed no conscience or moral compass. I suspect he was abused when younger, which could have been the cause, He has been diagnosed with a personality disorder (? Borderline) which he denies.

The thing is, he presents as charming, eloquent and well-educated, and you would never suspect he could be responsible for any of the things he has done.

Some examples. At 16, he stole credit cards off my parents, who had 5 kids and were poor, and went around the country staying in 5 star hotels etc, buying designer clothes, renting limousines, visiting elderly friends of the family and claiming he was PA to Madonna (who was touring at the time). My parents forgave him, paid the bills off (maybe claimed fraud from the bank? I was too young to ask). Then things progressively worsened over time. He stole and lied so fluently to everyone until, I suspect, even he didn't know what the truth was. He advertised extensively and held auditions for a star wars movie that didn't exist, and charged people significant money to audition, promised them parts and disappeared. Some of these people were even selling their houses and moving to America, because that was supposed to be where the movie was to be made. I know about this because the police came around to my parents looking for him, couldn't find him and then it appeared in the papers. He lived with my eldest sister for some time, and told her he was dying of aids (he wasn't) . She was devastated and so she and her somewhat DH supported him financially for some time until he disappeared. Later, when this sister was dying of cancer, we tried finding him in order for him to say goodbye. It turns out he had changed his name, had been caught defrauding and was in jail. I still don't know how he wrangled it, I was still young enough to not really think logically about it, but he got out of jail on compassionate leave to go to her funeral, and then went back with prison guards.

Honestly, it is a sickness, a mental illness, and as well as being awful for those impacted, it is a terribly tragic life for my now 40 year-old brother. We haven't heard for nearly 10 years now of any further illegal activity, and he is certainly more stable, but he has been unable to form lasting friendships or relationships, is unable to financially support himself through regular work or live independently for more than a few months without needing financial assistance from my parents.

Not rft but I went to a recruitment event for MI6 years ago (90s) and the only thing I remember is they said you're only allowed to tell ONE person what you do and to think very carefully about how that matters to you, essentially lying to everyone about what your job is, where you are etc.I knew I couldn't do it so dismissed it out of my mind at that point,so can't remember any more.

Op you know he is talking bollocks!

@Ostagazuzulum

With taking money off your DF could you go to police about fraud or contact action fraud to prevent him from getting money off other relatives or funding for relocating for mi6 job?

Thing is I’ve no conclusive proof that a crime has occurred. There is just the fact that b was in debt, and then in the space of a year made several BIG purchases (house, car, holidays, engagement ring, designer clothes) that off his waiter salary he just simply couldn’t have afforded. DF was generous to a fault and bless his heart really wanted to encourage us to carpe diem and make the most out of any opportunity and would give money to do that, my gut is telling me B used this navy bs to exploit that. But I’ve no proof. Even if I could show money went from DFs account to Bs account there’s no proof it was under duress or false pretences.

But hes done it countless times before

I am totally not surprised can't believe this escalated from the last thread!
I'm going to go back and read what happened with the wedding. I wonder, did fiancé find out...

Totally get why you don't want to mention it to friends op. It's madness.

OP. How many times do you think your family times will fall for this BS.

They are enabling him.

Aside from the navy and MI6 - what is he saying about his failed relationship so close to getting married? Can you speak to his ex? I bet she found out what a little toad he is. Before going to navy & MI6 recruitment why not try to talk to her. I bet what she has to say is more compelling than a screenshot.

Royal Navy has a pretty established on boarding with basic training - EVERYONE has to go through this. Did he move into a barracks for 8 to 12 weeks?

MI6 - yes anyone can apply, just go to their website to look at their criteria and admissions procedure.
I have friends who have or have had pretty senior roles in the foreign office - definitely not security services - and they all had to be vetted. My brother was interviewed as a reference for our friend to check that he couldn't be compromised.
If you were in the security services I suspect the vetting process would be a lot more stringent.

If your family keep falling for this, you need to walk away for your own sanity

Someone who has lied that much and has done that much and you're actually asking if this is another lie. Wow man, he's really got you good too. Of course he's fucking lying???

@FrozenWillow and @teleskopregel, there are frightening similarities, and the devastation these people leave in their wake is really next level. Especially when you’re confronted with it time and time again. I’m sorry you both have gone through it too! ❤️

‘ The thing is, he presents as charming, eloquent and well-educated, and you would never suspect he could be responsible for any of the things he has done’ - this is exactly the same as B. It’s only when you sort of know the subject he’s bullshitting about you can recognise it’s all shit. But it’s how he’s gotten away with it for so long.

I’m confident that B has ASPD and NPD, it’s the only thing that really explains this level of behaviour and he fits nearly every single criteria.

@TwoAndCooPlease wedding is off! No one knows why. @Pipsquiggle he’s not saying anything, which makes me think it was a big big blow out. Not only was the wedding which was 70% paid for (largely by my family) only 5/6 months away but less than a year ago theyd bought quite an expensive family home together (4 bed, 3 bath, lovely landscaped gardens) and 2 ‘designer’ dogs. M wouldn’t even acknowledge that they’d split to me, despite the fact he is now living with her.

Also he never moved to barracks. He would claim every so often he was in Plymouth and Oxford for training but no barracks.

Did anyone watch The Assassination of Gianni Versace? About Andrew Cunanan? ( I think ?)
THIS is what he is : without morals, not Asperger or similar.