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Alice Evans on Lorraine

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Creamcrackersandricecakes · 11/11/2021 09:32

This poor woman is clearly in the middle of the most horrendous breakdown - who the fuck thought this interview was a good idea?

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CounsellorTroi · 12/11/2021 09:49

I’m amazed how so many people have decided that IG cheated even though there is no evidence that he has. And if the sexes were reversed and he was behaving like she is he would be considered to be abusing her. But because it’s her, she isn’t.

Bluntness100 · 12/11/2021 09:53

@CounsellorTroi

I’m amazed how so many people have decided that IG cheated even though there is no evidence that he has. And if the sexes were reversed and he was behaving like she is he would be considered to be abusing her. But because it’s her, she isn’t.
I agree, if the genders were reversed it would be very different

And if you work out the timing, as he was in Australia for several months, where apparently she was overheard regularly abusing him on the phone and he was crying, then he came home and basically ended it, and it was four months before she tweeted it, the relationship has been over for at least two years.

She’s in a really bad way, disturbingly so.

PaulRuddsWife · 12/11/2021 09:54

It’s only being played out in th public eye because she’s putting it there. And it’s a divorce, they split he’s started a new relationship. You’re acting like she’s the first person ever to have a relationship end

Yes, this. If she has any friends around her, they should tell her to put her phone down and focus on herself and her kids instead of seeking validation from social media and the press.

And IG posted a pic of his new girlfriend 18 months after he asked for a divorce. According to Alice, the divorce is going to be a long, drawn out affair so how long is he supposed to wait?

Bluntness100 · 12/11/2021 10:05

Don’t get me wrong, there is a chance it was an affair. Of course there is, the point is she doesn’t know, she’s being clear on that. She doesn’t know for sure. And of course there is also a chance it was not, it started after he ended the marriage and he has kept it hidden for a few months for her sake.

She said in one of her tweets that the divorce was blamed on her unreasonable behaviour with examples given and she had to sit through an excruciating meeting where it was outlined to her by lawyers. Inc her own.

By now saying it was due to an affair, then it absolves her of any responsibility. As in, look it wasn’t me, I’m the victim not him, it’s all his fault.

She is constantly publicly attacking his new partner, and being offensive about her, and also attacking him. The whole thing is so damaging for all of them, and most of all those poor children.

PurbeckStone · 12/11/2021 10:25

Even if he did have an affair, I can't say I'd blame him. Imagine coming home to someone who thinks it's even remotely acceptable to post pictures of you asleep or half-naked on social media against your will. If a woman posted about something like that on here, most people would advise her to LTB and go to the police.

Bagelsandbrie · 12/11/2021 10:27

She’s called the new woman uglier than Saffy from Absolutely fabulous and “sluttier”. I know she’s upset and angry but misogynistic stuff like that isn’t helping her or anyone else.

Bluntness100 · 12/11/2021 10:34

Yes she keeps insulting her appearance. And her supporters are egging her on. It’s really nasty stuff.

StrychnineInTheSandwiches · 12/11/2021 10:37

Embarrassing behaviour. Her heart is clearly broken, lots of us have been there and can empathise. And her husband may (or may not) have been a total shit. And she's smarting at a much younger woman having taken her place. But enough now, she needs to pull herself together. She's a mother to two children old enough to be fully aware of how this is playing out, and this will be extremely damaging to them no matter what comforting lies she tells herself about 'oh they're fine'.

They're not.

Get off social media and get yourself together.

MyDogLovesBiscuits · 12/11/2021 11:01

@Glassofshloer

Everyone supporting Alice is all ‘oh we don’t know what happened in their marriage’ while pushing the narrative that Ioan cheated (which we don’t know) & that he is freezing her out (which we don’t know)

Meanwhile we discuss things Alice has said & done out in the open, so actual facts, and they’re all ‘oh but that’s because she’s unhappy’

Ridiculous

This ^ it's actually boggling me that people cannot see what is right in front of their face.

She's parentally alienating him too with this he abandoned "us" narritive but he's actually in contact and has been home for visitation etc, he's trying for a joint custody agreement.

She on the other hand is stating publicly she will not hand them over when she should if she feels like keeping them for an extra day or so.
Telling people that when he is trying to contact his daughters via zoom/facetime or whatever that she's "leaning in" and trying to ask questions etc - basically trying to have it out in front of the kid - so he can't have contact uninterrupted.

Apart from the messy divorce stuff she's become well known for attacking people online and there's a video circling where she is trying to park, scrapes two cars and then gets very aggressive with the owner of one who was trying to warn her. Later the eldest child goes online to defend her.

She has admitted to drawing the eldest into things, talking about using her to "talk her down". She has been vocal about how her children see all this SM stuff and was asked by someone on twitter to consider the fact that they can see all the "vitriol" she is spewing online and she replied with "they see all this vitriol in real life"

She keeps changing her story. Sometimes it's they were blissfully happy and then she sees the instagram post, other times he told her he was leaving, moved into another room and then left the marital home. Months later he gets a girlfriend (yes clichéd half his age etc) but now the story is that he has been having an affair for 3 years, and now has evolved to include that he has apparently cheated previously.

The only person we know for sure has cheated on anyone is Alice Evans who cheated on her last partner Oliver Picasso with Ioan G... but apparently that's private, and it's ok because he turned out to be gay in the end - says Alice Hmm

We only have Alice's say so that he cheated.

She's not a well woman to be doing what she is and I would strongly suggest people do a bit more digging before jumping on the "he's a shit and she's a wronged woman" narrative that's being pushed right now.

I initially was very sympathetic but as this goes on I've done a bit of looking, and Alice shows a very unpleasant side to her.

I really feel for the girls in all of this.

Hmmmm2018 · 12/11/2021 11:04

@EsmaCannonball

I haven't seen the interview, but I guess we're used to a world where the damage men do is hidden away. There is a pattern of male behaviour here: successful men upgrade their wives to the younger model according to their current status in life. We're told that this is private and personal, but for the discarded wife there's nothing more impersonal to discover that your husband doesn't see your inner life, your personality, your shared history; he just sees you as an ageing body. What Alice Evans is doing is undignified and uncomfortable and possibly unhealthy, but women being dignified and silent sure does benefit men, and not just in the area of relationships. They can pretty much do what they like and be almost guaranteed that women will either not talk about it or talk about it and be labelled mad or a nasty witch.
This is exactly it, well said.
CounsellorTroi · 12/11/2021 11:04

@PurbeckStone

Even if he did have an affair, I can't say I'd blame him. Imagine coming home to someone who thinks it's even remotely acceptable to post pictures of you asleep or half-naked on social media against your will. If a woman posted about something like that on here, most people would advise her to LTB and go to the police.
Yes she shared a picture of him in his underpants watching a Wales rugby match and jumping up and down cheering. I thought it was funny at the time, but I don’t any more.
MyDogLovesBiscuits · 12/11/2021 11:06

Oh and also she was posting invasive pictures, information and videos about him when they were together which he had repeatedly asked her to stop doing.

Stuff like him sleeping and she'd caption it "he won't like this tee-hee" it's just boundary smashing, disrespectful behaviour because she found it funny to do what he didn't like or sharing what makeup he's wearing and cosmetic procedures he's had because IMO she thought it would emasculate him. Calling him a "Pussy" and I believe calling his mum a nasty name too.

Hemingwayscats · 12/11/2021 11:07

Didn’t watch the interview but have read a few articles since their split and I feel so very sorry for her. She’s clearly having a mental breakdown and her husband should feel very ashamed. He’s done the classic thing so many egotistical men do- wife hits middle age so he finds a younger model. It’s disgraceful behaviour. The media shouldn’t be exploiting her and she needs a good support network right now, people to guide her and tell her lashing out like this isn’t the best or most dignified thing to do.

MyDogLovesBiscuits · 12/11/2021 11:08

@Pedalpushers

If a friend of mine was posting daily Facebook statuses about their ex a year on, and ringing up his boss to try and damage his reputation at work by airing out their personal lives, I'd tell them they needed to get a grip. What kind of person turns their divorce into a competition for public sympathy? The fact is this is all a big news story because she has actively made it one.

She openly admitted that her kids were facetiming their father and she shouted at him over the call. That's disgusting behaviour. She trawls gossip sites for negative comments about herself then asks her fans to try and find out who they are from. She's not well.

Oh yes I've read there were Doxxing threats made by her?
MorrisZapp · 12/11/2021 11:16

This all feels very eighties. Why is there even a discussion about whose 'fault' a divorce is? He's chosen to end his relationship, the reasons are nobody's business but his and hers, he can be with whoever he wants now.

Her history of posting intrusive pictures of him is a huge red flag but obviously that's their business.

People going on telly to point the finger at their ex feels like tabloid journalism from forty years ago.

buffyajp · 12/11/2021 11:18

@CounsellorTroi

I’m amazed how so many people have decided that IG cheated even though there is no evidence that he has. And if the sexes were reversed and he was behaving like she is he would be considered to be abusing her. But because it’s her, she isn’t.
Well said.Quite agree. If anything the evidence I have seen so far suggests she is the one with the issues and makes me more suspicious of her version of events. I hope several posters here never sit on a jury as they will have someone declared guilty purely for being a man.
peaceanddove · 12/11/2021 11:29

Just appalled that she is willingly exposing her daughters to this epic shit storm. It's incredibly selfish and self indulgent.

When I had a breast cancer diagnosis last year I was devastated, but my absolute priority was ensuring that our teenage DDs were protected and supported to the very best of my ability. Their peace of mind and happiness is far more important than my own.

TokyoDreaming · 12/11/2021 11:33

@Hemingwayscats

Didn’t watch the interview but have read a few articles since their split and I feel so very sorry for her. She’s clearly having a mental breakdown and her husband should feel very ashamed. He’s done the classic thing so many egotistical men do- wife hits middle age so he finds a younger model. It’s disgraceful behaviour. The media shouldn’t be exploiting her and she needs a good support network right now, people to guide her and tell her lashing out like this isn’t the best or most dignified thing to do.
He hasn't done anything wrong.
SinisterBumFacedCat · 12/11/2021 11:40

The dignified silence has another purpose though - to protect their children. I wouldn't want to be 12 years old and having my mum sobbing all over SM.

Well a woman can always be silenced if you use her children to make her feel guilty. Rarely works on fathers though.

CounsellorTroi · 12/11/2021 11:45

Well a woman can always be silenced if you use her children to make her feel guilty.

Not Alice it seems.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 12/11/2021 11:45

Having been a child of a mother who behaved like Alice Evans I'm very grateful there wasn't SM when my parents divorced.

Muddybanks · 12/11/2021 11:49

@StrychnineInTheSandwiches

Embarrassing behaviour. Her heart is clearly broken, lots of us have been there and can empathise. And her husband may (or may not) have been a total shit. And she's smarting at a much younger woman having taken her place. But enough now, she needs to pull herself together. She's a mother to two children old enough to be fully aware of how this is playing out, and this will be extremely damaging to them no matter what comforting lies she tells herself about 'oh they're fine'.

They're not.

Get off social media and get yourself together.

That's the crux of it though isn't it? The point is that this is always how it plays out ...if not always ...then pretty regularly.

Woman is heart-broken as man trades her in for younger model. Woman is said to be "embarrassing" when her whole life and that of her DC is turned upside down and she doesn't swallow that with "dignity". Just because it has happened to lots of women, doesn't make it right or fair. And on it goes with women suffering in "dignified silence" and it being acceptable for men to behave exactly as they want with no broader societal censure. Ex

But of course there is endless censure for the woman if she doesn't go quietly.

I agree btw that this public exposure is hurting the DC, but it is very likely they were most hurt by him splitting up the family in the first place.

CounsellorTroi · 12/11/2021 11:58

I agree btw that this public exposure is hurting the DC, but it is very likely they were most hurt by him splitting up the family in the first place.

There doesn’t seem to be the same censure towards women who split up their families because their husbands are making them unhappy. It’s all “you deserve better”.

StrychnineInTheSandwiches · 12/11/2021 11:59

I think there's a sweet spot between stoic dignified silence (overrated) and a year spent venting on social media.

OnwardsAndSideways1 · 12/11/2021 11:59

Why should there be endless censure for ending a marriage? Are we living in olden times?

Also, why the assumption him leaving and them divorcing is always bad for the kids. Living in an exploding shouty relationship is also very bad for them. It may be far better for these two individuals to live apart- it was for my parents and we were all delighted when my dad left!

To me this is a non-story, I'm always interested in stories about wronged women e.g. Britney, #MeToo, but this is just someone who is very very cross that they got married and now they got divorced, and that's just not news. The man hasn't committed a crime!