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Alice Evans on Lorraine

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Creamcrackersandricecakes · 11/11/2021 09:32

This poor woman is clearly in the middle of the most horrendous breakdown - who the fuck thought this interview was a good idea?

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BurnedToast · 11/11/2021 12:35

The dignified silence has another purpose though - to protect their children. I wouldn't want to be 12 years old and having my mum sobbing all over SM.

I can't quite see where Alice is going with this and what the purpose of the interview is. All this 'revealing male behaviour' only works up to a point. If he'd commited a crime against her then I would buy into that, but he didnt. He left her which he is allowed to do.

Other people watching these interviews and knowing about her trauma is going to do little more than create a circus for the onlookers to this car crash. It serves no purpose. How does Alice losing it on Lorraine help anyone?

oohmama · 11/11/2021 12:38

I'm never watching anything with that Cunt in again

Alice is beautiful and deserves happiness!

Bagelsandbrie · 11/11/2021 13:02

@BurnedToast

The dignified silence has another purpose though - to protect their children. I wouldn't want to be 12 years old and having my mum sobbing all over SM.

I can't quite see where Alice is going with this and what the purpose of the interview is. All this 'revealing male behaviour' only works up to a point. If he'd commited a crime against her then I would buy into that, but he didnt. He left her which he is allowed to do.

Other people watching these interviews and knowing about her trauma is going to do little more than create a circus for the onlookers to this car crash. It serves no purpose. How does Alice losing it on Lorraine help anyone?

Exactly.

This isn’t just about her and him. There are two children in the middle of this and seeing your Mum like this is horrible - my Mum had severe depression and when she got divorced from my Dad it was horrendous. I’d hate for that to be all over the news / media etc. It’s hard enough seeing your Mum cry and be upset at home.

Sparklesocks · 11/11/2021 13:14

I completely support her right to talk about it publicly and she shouldn’t hide how it’s made her feel. Like others I believe there is some concern for the kids involved as it must be very upsetting to see their parents’ split play out in public. Mum talking about it on telly and dad being photographed with a new woman. Divorce can already be very tough when kids are young even when it’s played out in private.

Gohugatree · 11/11/2021 13:25

See, I don't get that vibe about Ioan Gruffud's at all. They've been separated for quite a while. Some of the stuff she's been posting on social media is very nasty. She's admitted to screaming at Ioan Gruffud's when he's been on face time with his daughters, refused to let him have access time with them, been incredibly derogatory about people - referring to IG's girlfriend as a 'ho' Hmm, and his mother as a 'narc' and using her children as an emotional crutch.

And, of course, we only have her version of events (which have changed several times). She has been deleting things she said on social media.

There are certainly many men in the media spotlight who haven't behaved well - discarding long term partners with whom they have families, for much younger women. And yes, women should be able to be open about their sense of loss and betrayal. But what Alice Evans is doing is off the scale. It will be harming her children, she is harming their relationship with their father and probably with herself. IG is allowed to leave his wife. Perhaps the photo of him with a new girlfriend was posted because the press had got hold of the story.

AE is controlling the narrative to a certain extent, portraying herself as the wronged party, but she is burning bridges all over the place, and ultimately, she will be the one who suffers the most from her behaviour.

Wannakisstheteacher · 11/11/2021 13:27

I also think it’s funny how their is so much concern for her ability to look after her children - but no expectation that maybe their Father should come back from France with or without his new girlfriend and actually help with his own children for once? There seems to be the acceptance that men trade their wives in for younger models and hardly bother with their DC post divorce and women just get on with it - in a nice dignified manner.

Glassofshloer · 11/11/2021 13:33

I tend to agree with this. Systemically, dignified silence just enables men to keep discarding us as we age.

Going public isn’t going to stop them leaving.

I agree keeping a ‘dignified silence’ feels like letting them ‘get away with it’ to a certain extent.

But it usually works out in the woman’s favour, in the court of public opinion - look at Vanessa Paradis etc.

Either way if your husband wanted to leave you for as younger woman, would you want him any more?

BreadPita · 11/11/2021 13:40

There are posts from women in the relationship board everyday from women who want to leave men that they are simply no longer attracted to and they are widely supported in leaving.
I don't really get how this is different.

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 11/11/2021 13:41

Agree its pretty expolitaitive

BUT...

Doesn't this reflect society....? Peoples ghoulish interest...

And how people are like when going through these horrid times.... Some people will announce to everyone they know (and don't) about intimate details of their relationship breakdown... Others will be VERY private...

When I had a major break up, only my inner circle and my mum knew... About 5 people...
Bumped into an acquaintance à couple of years later... And mentioned in passing I was no longer with Ex... She looked at me accusingly and said... I didn't know /no one told me....

Good, my pals obviously kept it private.

Snoozer11 · 11/11/2021 13:42

IG was well within his rights to leave if he was unhappy.

They've been separated for a significant amount of time now. Is he not allowed to move on?

Frankly, Alice has behaved appallingly on social media. Even before the separation there was evidence of a nasty streak.

Wasn't she engaged when she met IG?

Bagelsandbrie · 11/11/2021 13:43

@BreadPita

There are posts from women in the relationship board everyday from women who want to leave men that they are simply no longer attracted to and they are widely supported in leaving. I don't really get how this is different.
This is the thing isn’t it.

We have no proof that he’s cheated. Just her word for it.

If we judge it on face value he’s left a marriage he’s unhappy in. He’s allowed to do that. He hasn’t slagged her off in public. He’s just gone and lived his life quietly and some time later he’s posted a photo of him and his new girlfriend on social media. I mean, sure that’s a bit weird maybe knowing what Alice is like and how it’s going to stoke the fire but then people do use SM for stuff and he’s allowed to do that.

If people listened to my ex when I left him when dd was little he’d probably tell them I was the worlds worst woman but then they hadn’t been putting up with all the manipulation and shit from him for the year or so before we actually split.

People just don’t know what goes on in relationships. Just because one person says everything was fine doesn’t mean that it was.

PaulRuddsWife · 11/11/2021 13:48

There's dignified silence and then there's documenting every single perceived and/or made up grievance against your ex through social media.

I didn't buy her performance for a second. The person who was interviewed on Lorraine didn't match the Twitter persona at all. Let's not forget she's an actress and we haven't heard his side of the story. While I don't necessarily think that Ioan Gruffudd should have posted that photo, that's the only thing he's gone public with so far. Meanwhile, Alice Evans has live tweeted the break up more or less from the minute he said he was leaving.

She needs to get off social media and get some serious help, for the sake of her kids if nothing else.

Wisteriac43 · 11/11/2021 13:49

I like the fact that she's speaking out. I know lots of women who have been labelled as 'bitter' or made out to be slightly unstable. I think it's very understandable to be as angry as she is. Her future and that of her children has massively changed. No-one to share the memories with. I'd be furious too.

A friend of mine has also walked away from a marriage. She really, really put the work in to try and get things to work. IG seems to have just dropped this on her in quite a torturous way.

TellItLikeItReallyIs · 11/11/2021 13:56

Going public isn’t going to stop them leaving.

No but it might make men think twice about the way they end a relationship and how they behave including posting offensive 'smiling again' shitty posts on Instagram - if they know their ill treatment of a partner would be made public.

It may also affect others view of the man in question - Mr Public Image Nice Guy or Mr All A Front for A Bit of A Shit.

And in some cases it might actually deter other women from getting involved with that man.

I'll never meet IG but if you put it in the real life context of men you did know, it would certainly really put me off dating that man ever.

Glassofshloer · 11/11/2021 13:59

@TellItLikeItReallyIs

>>Going public isn’t going to stop them leaving.

No but it might make men think twice about the way they end a relationship and how they behave including posting offensive 'smiling again' shitty posts on Instagram - if they know their ill treatment of a partner would be made public.

It may also affect others view of the man in question - Mr Public Image Nice Guy or Mr All A Front for A Bit of A Shit.

And in some cases it might actually deter other women from getting involved with that man.

I'll never meet IG but if you put it in the real life context of men you did know, it would certainly really put me off dating that man ever.

Why would it? If they’ve been callous enough in your view to leave a relationship and then date a younger woman, why would a Twitter tirade stop them?

As for public opinion, the general consensus is that Alice is unhinged & bitter. Most people appear to be taking Ioan’s ‘side’ even on here.

As for deterring other women… well, I doubt if they’re ‘husband stealing’ they will care.

It sucks, it sort of isn’t fair, but it’s life sadly. All she can do is move on now, he isn’t coming back and he’s coming out better in this now.

Chickychickydodah · 11/11/2021 14:01

I’m so sick of hearing about her now! She s been treated like shit but haven’t a lot of people.?
She needs to go to a good lawyer and get things sorted instead of trying for sympathy for social media 😡

LittleMysSister · 11/11/2021 14:04

We will never know the truth of what happened, even if he does decide to respond to all of this, which I doubt he will.

Alice is clearly massively hurt, she loves him and she wants him back. She is trying to force him to look at how he's hurt her because she can't believe the man she knows would do this if he realised, but he doesn't care. So many of us have felt the way she feels now.

I don't think anyone is doubting that she can look after her kids, the comments are more that she is doing further damage to them by making everything so public and putting things out there it would be better that they didn't read/hear.

He has left her but there is nothing except Alice's suspicions to say he actually had an affair with anybody, including his new gf. I think in Alice's shoes many would immediately jump to that conclusion when a new partner is revealed, but that doesn't mean it's true or that he's not entitled to post a picture with her on his instagram if he chooses. I think it's more inappropriate that Alice has been posting pics of him on her insta so long after they split up.

1forAll74 · 11/11/2021 14:05

I didn't see this,as don't watch daytime tv,, but just wondering why these so called celebrity people, have to come on chat type programmes,to speak about their lives and woes. I dont know why they do it, as it's all boring and uninteresting to everyday people,

LivesinLondon2000 · 11/11/2021 14:11

Also 100% agree with @EsmaCannonball

And for those saying what about her children seeing her posts on social media, Ioan is the one who put up the Instagram post with the new girlfriend with that ‘thanks for making me smile again’ caption 🤢
He’s hardly blameless is he

Muddybanks · 11/11/2021 14:12

@EsmaCannonball

I haven't seen the interview, but I guess we're used to a world where the damage men do is hidden away. There is a pattern of male behaviour here: successful men upgrade their wives to the younger model according to their current status in life. We're told that this is private and personal, but for the discarded wife there's nothing more impersonal to discover that your husband doesn't see your inner life, your personality, your shared history; he just sees you as an ageing body. What Alice Evans is doing is undignified and uncomfortable and possibly unhealthy, but women being dignified and silent sure does benefit men, and not just in the area of relationships. They can pretty much do what they like and be almost guaranteed that women will either not talk about it or talk about it and be labelled mad or a nasty witch.
Yes it's a repeat really of what Diana did in a way by "refusing to go quietly" having "allegedly" been egged on by Martin Bashir. She was paranoid that she would lose access to the children among other things. I don't blame her. People always say "but it must have been horrendous for the DC" and I imagine it was for the princes, and it is now for AE's DC, but those same people seem to forget or discount the psychological affects of their father shagging someone else while married to their mother. As usual, the woman gets the blame, rather than the man who caused the distress in the first place.
TheLikesofMe · 11/11/2021 14:13

I wonder what on earth she wants and hopes will be achieved by spilling her heart and bitterness everywhere.

Without knowing either of them, I guess that if she was told she could have whatever she wanted, she would have him back and maybe all this is a way of keeping a live connection between them.

She will have to accept-or go mad- that he isn't coming back, that he loves someone else and that, while she is of course entitled to tell of her hurt and disappointment, this degree of doing so is harmful and ends up by just providing a peep show for strangers who just enjoy the drama and don't care.

I have been dumped. I told a few close friends exactly how I was feeling but I didn't want to make my awful situation and my intimate thoughts about it, entertainment for others.

Someone close to her need to tell her to get a grip-it's the end of a marriage, not a death sentence. It's painful but it's a common occurrence.

LittleMysSister · 11/11/2021 14:17

@LivesinLondon2000

Also 100% agree with *@EsmaCannonball*

And for those saying what about her children seeing her posts on social media, Ioan is the one who put up the Instagram post with the new girlfriend with that ‘thanks for making me smile again’ caption 🤢
He’s hardly blameless is he

But him putting up that one photo is nothing compared to what Alice has consistently posted since they split up?

The caption was clearly a dig but that is the one comment he's made over all of these months. I can't say I wouldn't be tempted to do the same tbh if my ex was acting the way Alice is and just wouldn't stop.

I don't think seeing a pic of dad and new gf sitting next to each other is worst than reading their mum tweeting accusing him of having an affair for 3 years or sharing private emails between the two of them or getting into spats on Instagram accusing friends of 'knowing about' his new relationship etc etc.

I honestly have so much sympathy for her but I really don't think him posting that pic is comparable to Alice trying to draw as much attention as possible to their horrible situation, via twitter, insta and daily mail, and now via TV.

Tillysfad · 11/11/2021 14:18

She reminds me a bit of Dr Foster. For her sake, all this publicity is unhelpful. For the rest of us, it's helpful and important to see the anguish that disorientation that dishonesty and infidelity causes.

Classica · 11/11/2021 14:22

The pair of them need to wise up and take this off social media. She doesn't need to keep indulging in this public catharsis and he doesn't need to be posting pics of his new young love. How damaging for their kids.

Muddybanks · 11/11/2021 14:23

Someone close to her need to tell her to get a grip-it's the end of a marriage, not a death sentence. It's painful but it's a common occurrence.

To be fair to AE, her initial complaints (haven't seen Lorraine or any of her latest tweets) was not that the marriage had ended, but that after twenty years or so, he didn't have the decency to be honest with her about it and told her it was her fault that the relationship had come to am end, without allegedly mentioning his alleged mistress.

I am not saying this is true btw but that that was AE's argument.

It's a classic case of "the script".