To be so upset about the death of Jack Lis last night

[Aberteifi]

To feel so upset by the death of the poor 10 year old boy last night who was killed by a dog in Caerphilly.
My own son was mauled by a dog at 14 months old he has scars but he is here.
I remember the terror and the fear of it when it was happening and i can't help to feel it now knowing that is what that poor little boy went through last night.
His poor family must be going through the worst pain imaginable and i just feel so so sad for them.
I don't know why this case has really hit me but it has.

So so terrible. Why on earth do people have these awful dog breeds around children.

[quote PicsInRed]Dogs are fantastic, but they're dogs and terrible dogs owners generally have one thing in common - the total inability to see dogs as dogs, and not as humans and "members of the family" or "babies". Love them, absolutely! But they're dogs.

This about sums it up.

www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/comments/pqzhwl/its_a_tiny_dog_anthem/[/quote]
This. As I said, some^ dogs can make lovely and loyal pets, but far too many people get them, who cannot look after them, and who know fuck-all about dogs, and their behaviour, and how to look after them. And they become vicious and uncontrollable.

And in addition to idiots who allow their dog off its lead in public places' don't even get me started on the filthy fuckers who let their dogs SHIT all over public footpaths. Scum they are. Pure scum. Should never be allowed to own a dog.

And these pitbull types need banning for good, so these certain types of people cannot get them, and allow them around children. The owner of that dog should be charged for manslaughter IMO.

@authenticforgery

It's true. There is a certain type who enjoy the clout they get from walking an enormous, threatening, muscular beast around in public. I really don't care what you think of that. It's a fact. They're not bred to be nice friendly family dogs. They're bred for a certain type of person who wants to give off a certain type of image.

This. ^

@PollyWobbles

We all know what type of family this will be. I know it's not particularly PC to state that but we all know it's true.

And this too. ^

And anyone who is getting sniffy - or offended - by the statement that these dogs are almost ALWAYS owned by a 'certain type,' is clearly doing so, because it's hitting a raw nerve.

It's pretty repugnant though, that the 'offended' on here are more concerned for their bruised feelings, (and more annoyed with people stating that it's almost always the same type who have these dangerous dogs,) than they are about the fact a child has been mauled to death by a dangerous dog. Fuck me, this place sometimes!

This is why all dangerous breeds should be rounded up and destroyed by rule of amnesty
That's obviously extreme, but I'm up for not allowing the breeding of certain dogs that have had dangerous characteristics deliberately bred into them, the same as characteristics that cause the dogs to suffer medically, like bulldogs and other flat nosed breeds.

@PollyWobbles

We all know what type of family this will be. I know it's not particularly PC to state that but we all know it's true.

Nobody should be keeping these dogs - especially when they have bitten/ attacked in the past and I can only presume that Jack's parents didn't know he was going round to this house with the dog in it

I don't. Honestly. What type of family will this be?

These sort of breeds were originally bred for bull and bear baiting. They should just be completely banned including staffies IMO (I know staffies can be wonderful but rescues are full of them and in the wrong hands they're dangerous). Anything that was bred for fighting I think it should be made illegal to bred and the breeds phased out - and I'm a dog person.

@RainbowTomte

No dog is worth the risk to human life. I am sick of this idiotic mentality this ridiculous country has around dogs. They are all potentially dangerous – obviously the smaller ones won't do as much damage as the bigger breeds, but why, WHY do we deify dogs, why do people refuse to accept that dogs are predators and we are prey. I'd gladly ban the lot. This boy's life was far more precious than dog owner's desire to keep dogs.

I'd start with banning all bully breeds, including Staffordshire bull terriers (quite often pitbulls masquerading as Staffordshire bull terriers, not that the police even really care about upholding the law surrounding banned breeds).
Educate dog people. You do not need a dog.

My children are not allowed in houses with dogs. I wish more people would stand up for their children and do the same. Dog ownership is antisocial.

There is a nasty-looking bully breed two doors down from us. It's absolutely terrifying. Ugly as hell, too.

Oh do pipe down with your melodrama!!! Not all dogs are dangerous. Not all owners are bad. Some are yes. It's wise to have a healthy respect for dogs but your statements above are beyond ridiculous.

@DontWantTheRivalry

I’m sure it was in an article from one of the local papers. I will see if I can find it again.

It was in The Sun.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/16678998/caerphilly-dog-attack-jack-lis-mum/

I don't get the references to being PC by not saying what "type" of family own these types of dogs.

I would assume they were inexperienced or irresponsible at a minimum. Maybe not very clever or involved with something illegal, if they got the dog for "security" or fighting. But none of those are in PC to say.

A chavvy family with no brains and no education that’s what @WhoWants2Know

It is awful I agree.

It seems the two boys (age 10) were in the house on their own with the dog, the boy went to his friends house after school to play.

This was on our local BBC news earlier, the dog was destroyed and the police are now investigating.

Oh god it’s so awful, he must have been absolutely terrified. Poor boy.

It’s beyond horrific that poor wee lad makes me felt ill...it doesn’t bear thinking about what happened. These dogs should be banned and are terrifying...it’s often the wrong types that have these that’s the truth of it...

You can see it's going to happen. We have older teenage boys in my area roaming with these dogs. Not on a lead, no recall, baited, being taught to hang off trees etc and not enough exercise, cooped up indoors. Probably bred from crappy dogs with no idea of their breeding previously
It's an accident waiting to happen

I'm not one for demonising a breed, my grandad bred pit bulls. But he always said you don't breed off shit, both dogs have to be good tempered and it's nature/nurture together and he was a big believer in lots of exercise as well

This is horrific. Too many bad owners who have no idea how to control a dog.

We have two. They're only off lead in our garden, and we have a biiiiig, fully enclosed garden for this reason because it's our duty to make sure they can exercise safely.

They're not allowed around children alone. Ever. Regardless of circumstance. We wouldn't take them to a 'dog-friendly' restaurant or pub because it's not where dogs are meant to be. The list goes on.

I don't understand why people would get dogs they can't take care of properly, I really don't.

@Mythroatisstillsore

God why are there no proper stringent controls on dogs like this. As someone else said sure as hell it wasn't a Red Setter, Collie, Labrador, Poodle etc. We all know what kind of dog it will likely be long before the details are released

Actually more dog bites are from labradors that other breeds. Any dog can be dangerous

Thankfully someone has already challenged the madness posted by @RainbowTomte

This is dreadful and horrific attack. I can’t imagine the horror for this child and his family.

The issue isn’t a breed. It’s people.

I live within a mile of this and heard the sirens and was horrified. I kinda know the mother too. Horrific

And in addition to idiots who allow their dog off its lead in public places' don't even get me started on the filthy fuckers who let their dogs SHIT all over public footpaths. Scum they are. Pure scum. Should never be allowed to own a dog

As a dog owner of many years I agree with your statement about filthy dog owners who don’t pick up after their dogs. I feel exactly he same about cat owners who think their cats have a right to crap in other peoples gardens.

I cannot agree that well trained, friendly dogs with excellent recall should not be allowed off lead - ever. What do you regard as “Public spaces”? All dogs should be leashed on main roads. No dogs should be allowed in children’s parks or on sporting fields. I completely agree with that. I see no reason why a well trained, friendly dog with excellent recall should be leashed on a mountain, woodland, forestry, beach or other large green area.

Actually more dog bites are from labradors that other breeds. Any dog can be dangerous

Bites yes, deaths no.
That’s the problem.

I have no idea what the solution is though as the U.K. banned ‘dangerous breeds’ and dog attack incidences have actually risen.
It didn’t work.

@Garfunkle too many dogs don't have excellent recall though, in fact I'd argue that very few do. Neither of our girls do (both rescues). There is absolutely no guarantee that your dog will come back to you if they've found something a lot more interesting, regardless of how many times they have come back before.

Oh do pipe down with your melodrama!!! Not all dogs are dangerous. Not all owners are bad. Some are yes. It's wise to have a healthy respect for dogs but your statements above are beyond ridiculous.

This. I grew up with dogs and we only ever had one who snapped and that was because a small child ran up to her and hit her on the snout and shouted 'doggy'. I was walking her on the lead at the time and she reacted out of fear.

What's happened is tragic and my heart breaks for the little boy and his family, but the answer isn't to ban all dogs or to have a mass cull. My Mum's last dog was a Labrador X Rottweiler and was one of the softest, gentlest dogs I've ever met but no doubt some posters would have her PTS as the rotty markings were the most prominent.

I wouldn’t leave 2 10 year old boys home alone with my soppy Golden Retriever.
This is the fault of several different adults

@Wolfiefan

Thankfully someone has already challenged the madness posted by *@RainbowTomte*

This is dreadful and horrific attack. I can’t imagine the horror for this child and his family.

The issue isn’t a breed. It’s people.

Of course it's breed. And people. If idiot people didn't get bully breeds, or other big, strong dogs, this tragedy would not keep happening. It's usually pitbull-type dogs

Bites possibly, as labs are so popular as family dogs.
Deaths, however, it is clear that some breeds are more dangerous