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To be so upset about the death of Jack Lis last night

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Aberteifi · 09/11/2021 17:36

To feel so upset by the death of the poor 10 year old boy last night who was killed by a dog in Caerphilly.
My own son was mauled by a dog at 14 months old he has scars but he is here.
I remember the terror and the fear of it when it was happening and i can't help to feel it now knowing that is what that poor little boy went through last night.
His poor family must be going through the worst pain imaginable and i just feel so so sad for them.
I don't know why this case has really hit me but it has.

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RainbowTomte · 09/11/2021 19:04

No dog is worth the risk to human life. I am sick of this idiotic mentality this ridiculous country has around dogs. They are all potentially dangerous – obviously the smaller ones won't do as much damage as the bigger breeds, but why, WHY do we deify dogs, why do people refuse to accept that dogs are predators and we are prey. I'd gladly ban the lot. This boy's life was far more precious than dog owner's desire to keep dogs.

I'd start with banning all bully breeds, including Staffordshire bull terriers (quite often pitbulls masquerading as Staffordshire bull terriers, not that the police even really care about upholding the law surrounding banned breeds).
Educate dog people. You do not need a dog.

My children are not allowed in houses with dogs. I wish more people would stand up for their children and do the same. Dog ownership is antisocial.

There is a nasty-looking bully breed two doors down from us. It's absolutely terrifying. Ugly as hell, too.

crossstitchcat · 09/11/2021 19:04

@ofwarren

What is the law with Pitt bulls? I assumed they were illegal but looking at the list of dogs that have killed over the last 10 years, the majority are Pitt bull crosses.
@ofwarren American pitt bulls are banned in the UK. I think in the UK, Pitt bull isn't an actual breed, I think it's just used to describe a certain type of dog like Staffies and staff crosses for example. I'm not sure if American pitt bull crosses are banned. They're are plenty of them in the UK. My friend unknowingly bought one years ago. She wasn't familiar with the American pit bull breed but looking back it was 100% one. As soon as the people who had him originally left it attempted to attack. Thankfully no one was injured.
RainbowTomte · 09/11/2021 19:05

@GoodVibesHere

Totally agree with *@tempchecked*

Dogs in a working setting yes. However, being kept as pets in urban areas they are a always going to be a problem. Why on earth do people want a pet that is capable of killing a child.

And to think so many more places now (including cafes) are 'dog-friendly', it makes me shudder.

Complete agree. The world's gone mad. Dogs everywhere. It's disgusting to see them in food settings. I actively avoid cafes and restaurants that permit dogs. Speaks volumes about their hygiene standards.
CheshireChat · 09/11/2021 19:06

It's quite easy to underestimate just how strong (big) dogs can be, I still remember when our pet boxer bit my elbow when she was about 2 months old and I had to ask my mum to get her to release me and I was around 11/12 at the time.

flippertyop · 09/11/2021 19:06

The thread is also about dogs and the inference that's some dogs are dangerous and belong to certain types of people.

usernamenumber636274 · 09/11/2021 19:08

I can't even begin to imagine! 😪 Any dog can bite but sadly with bigger breeds the damage can be much worse and potentially kill. When will this stop? There's not a year that goes by where a baby or child is not mauled by a dog!

RubyTuesday70 · 09/11/2021 19:10

I've got a cocker spaniel and he's been attacked 3 times by another dog in the village where we live. Owner literally doesn't give a shit, even though there's now a court order for him to have his dog muzzled and kept on a lead. It's attacked 3 or 4 other dogs since mine, and killed livestock. I'm equally horrified and angry that there are no legal consequences for people that own aggressive dogs.

That poor little lad, I can't even begin to imagine how terrifying it was.

GoodVibesHere · 09/11/2021 19:11

@rainbowtomte good for you standing up for your children. This is a real issue for me, I always feel uncomfortable informing the parents that my DC won't be allowed to their house because of the dog.

I find it hard that so many of my DC friends have them - my heart sinks when the DC tell me yet another friend got a new dog.

GoodVibesHere · 09/11/2021 19:13

And don't get me started on the parents who tie their dogs up on a lead right outside the school gates. Bloody ridiculous!

PicsInRed · 09/11/2021 19:15

Dogs are fantastic, but they're dogs and terrible dogs owners generally have one thing in common - the total inability to see dogs as dogs, and not as humans and "members of the family" or "babies". Hmm Love them, absolutely! But they're dogs.

This about sums it up.

www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/comments/pqzhwl/its_a_tiny_dog_anthem/

BackBackBack · 09/11/2021 19:18

@RubyTuesday70

I've got a cocker spaniel and he's been attacked 3 times by another dog in the village where we live. Owner literally doesn't give a shit, even though there's now a court order for him to have his dog muzzled and kept on a lead. It's attacked 3 or 4 other dogs since mine, and killed livestock. I'm equally horrified and angry that there are no legal consequences for people that own aggressive dogs.

That poor little lad, I can't even begin to imagine how terrifying it was.

I can recommend a spare leather lead round your waist. If it happens again, un-clip the lead and use it like a whip. Any lead will do at a pinch but leather is most effective.
DeepaBeesKit · 09/11/2021 19:18

Just further reinforces my view that dogs are dangerous and have the potential to do this. I don’t care what counter argument dog lovers have. Dogs are dogs.

DeepaBeesKit · 09/11/2021 19:18

This

BackBackBack · 09/11/2021 19:19

[quote GoodVibesHere]@rainbowtomte good for you standing up for your children. This is a real issue for me, I always feel uncomfortable informing the parents that my DC won't be allowed to their house because of the dog.

I find it hard that so many of my DC friends have them - my heart sinks when the DC tell me yet another friend got a new dog. [/quote]
And you shouldn't find it hard at all, because a responsible dog owner will/should always check with you first.. The first thing I ask people when they come to my house, is whether they are OK with dogs or not. If they don't like them, then the dogs are shut away - I have secure places in the house where the dogs can quite happily stay out of the way.

authenticforgery · 09/11/2021 19:20

@flippertyop

The thread is also about dogs and the inference that's some dogs are dangerous and belong to certain types of people.
Because its true. There is a certain type who enjoy the clout they get from walking an enormous, threatening, muscular beast around in public. I really don't care what you think of that. It's a fact. They're not bred to be nice friendly family dogs. They're bred for a certain type of person who wants to give off a certain type of image.
rrhuth · 09/11/2021 19:23

There is a tendency to 'rehome' problem dogs, and the type of people who will never consider a dog being pts really make me Angry.

PollyWobbles · 09/11/2021 19:23

We all know what type of family this will be. I know it's not particularly PC to state that but we all know it's true.

Nobody should be keeping these dogs - especially when they have bitten/ attacked in the past and I can only presume that Jack's parents didn't know he was going round to this house with the dog in it

SickAndTiredAgain · 09/11/2021 19:25

@RubyTuesday70

I've got a cocker spaniel and he's been attacked 3 times by another dog in the village where we live. Owner literally doesn't give a shit, even though there's now a court order for him to have his dog muzzled and kept on a lead. It's attacked 3 or 4 other dogs since mine, and killed livestock. I'm equally horrified and angry that there are no legal consequences for people that own aggressive dogs.

That poor little lad, I can't even begin to imagine how terrifying it was.

What action is taken for not having the dog muzzled? I bet the owner would be the first to complain if a farmer shot it to protect their livestock (which they’d legally be allowed to do if it was attacking).
SexyNeckbeard · 09/11/2021 19:30

If is is an American bully (I don't know if it is) they are abnormally large and powerful dogs - a designer breed created by crossing the pitbull with other bull breeds apparently to create a better family dog. An XL bully can weigh between 80 and 150 lbs. Yeah a chihuahua can bite but there's a world of difference in the damage that can be done.

That poor boy and his poor family

UndertonesOfCake · 09/11/2021 19:31

@PollyWobbles

We all know what type of family this will be. I know it's not particularly PC to state that but we all know it's true.

Nobody should be keeping these dogs - especially when they have bitten/ attacked in the past and I can only presume that Jack's parents didn't know he was going round to this house with the dog in it

If what's been said is true - that the family had only just got this dog - they may have known he was going around there but not that they'd got a new dog, or the tendencies of that dog.
oxfordgreen · 09/11/2021 19:32

This has also upset me.
Even more so because of something that happened at the weekend.
We are out walking with our kids on a well known footpath that goes through local fields. We met a few people along the way and said hello. All fine.
Then my husband who was a few yards ahead with our 6 year old saw a man coming towards us with 5 dogs. Two of the dogs were really huge and didn't look very friendly at all. They were all off their leads.

Our youngest is really afraid of dogs and something just worried my husband enough to step out into the muddy, pebble strewn fields to give the man and his dogs a very wide berth.

The man started shouting at my husband that he was going to report us for damaging crops. When my husband told him he was just trying to keep away from his dogs he started being even nastier and saying we shouldn't come out for a walk if we don't like dogs. Our 6 year was absolutely crying his eyes out and shaking saying "the man is going to tell the police and we are going to jail"

He hasn't stopped talking about it since and is still so upset. So am I to be honest. I I just keep thinking about it

usernamenumber636274 · 09/11/2021 19:34

@GoodVibesHere

And don't get me started on the parents who tie their dogs up on a lead right outside the school gates. Bloody ridiculous!
I agree and I'm a dog owner/lover. When ds was small he ran out of school and there was a dog tied up right by the gate to the school, dog lurched and snapped at Ds. When owner turned up, she says he doesn't like kids running near him (Ds was by no means running at dog, but running past). Keep your dog at home then!! Same dog has snapped at children before this point too.

Another time a dog was tied up to the fence, broke free and wandered into school. It was a massive gentle giant type dog, not sure on breed but some kids were scared.

Not at the school but on another occasion there was a dog tied by the gate in a play park (tied up on the fence between the older kids but and the toddler section at said park so within the park). Dd walked past dog, didn't go near the dog but it snarled at her. Owner came alone and said the dig didn't like children. Why's it in a bleddy play park then?

I'm a dog owner. It baffles me now stupid some people are tbh.

flippertyop · 09/11/2021 19:35

@authenticforgery I think that's very narrow minded

Thewiseoneincognito · 09/11/2021 19:37

Truly horrific for his family.

This is why all dangerous breeds should be rounded up and destroyed by rule of amnesty. They have no place in civilised society, serve no purpose whatsoever. I would support a total Dangerous breeds amnesty so preventable tragedies like this never happen again.

PinkiOcelot · 09/11/2021 19:37

My niece was mauled 13 years ago by a Rhodesian ridgeback. She was 21 at the time. Her face was a right mess and her lip hanging right off. Luckily she must have healing skin because her scars are barely visible.

Anyway, the police were involved but it wasn’t taken any further as she was in the dog’s home at the time. I’m not sure if this law has been changed now. The young policeman was gutted.