To be so upset about the death of Jack Lis last night

[Aberteifi]

To feel so upset by the death of the poor 10 year old boy last night who was killed by a dog in Caerphilly.
My own son was mauled by a dog at 14 months old he has scars but he is here.
I remember the terror and the fear of it when it was happening and i can't help to feel it now knowing that is what that poor little boy went through last night.
His poor family must be going through the worst pain imaginable and i just feel so so sad for them.
I don't know why this case has really hit me but it has.

@bigbeachedwales

Friend of a friend has a cavapoochon. It looks like a teddy bear. It bit my daughter badly on the arm recently when she tried to stroke it. Very middle class family. They apologised and we accepted it was probably her fault for going to stroke it when it wasn't expecting it. It's not all pit bulls in Caerphilly. Al dogs can be dangerous. Even the cute ones.

Dangerous yes, but some breeds and sizes of dogs and jaw strength mean they are always entirely unsuitable as pets in family homes. There was no way once an eight stone pit bull cross locked onto someone that they stood a chance. It is heartbreakingly violent and makes me want to cry when I think about it. So when people say sausage dogs / poodle mixes are the most likely to bite - which I accept is likely true - they are much less likely than the illegal / should be illegal breeds that simply cannot be overpowered once they attack.

When these cases happen, it is usually reported that multiple people tried to wrestle the dog off and it ended up having to be shot multiple times to kill it so the victim can be released, usually too late at that point.

I appreciate that not all of one type of dog is 'bad' and not all of another type is 'good' but this is a risk assessment thing.

Look at the picture of the dog that killed this poor little boy. Then look at a picture of your friends dog. It's incomparable IMO.

I meant to say:

So when people say sausage dogs / poodle mixes are the most likely to bite - which I accept is likely true - they are much less likely to cause life changing injuries or death than the illegal / should be illegal breeds that simply cannot be overpowered once they attack.

My son was bit on the leg in a holiday park. The stupid woman who had him on a retractable lead said he was a puppy! It was a French bull dog who lunged at my son because he had a ball in a huge children's play area. If it had been a toddler it would have bitten their face. She tried to walk off until I shouted at her to come back. She said to me
"He's just shocked" when my son was crying in pain. She is an irresponsible dog owner . Regardless of the small dog, it hurt him and scarred him

@youvegottenminuteslynn so that’s why I don’t leave kids alone with the dogs. And never allow strangers to wander into the house ahead of me.
You would be an idiot to deny there is any risk. Dogs are animals. They aren’t people.
But they aren’t some kind of bloodthirsty monsters poised to attack at any moment.
This awful situation wasn’t the fault of a dog. But rather the shitty owners.

@Wolfiefan

People aren't assigning moral 'fault' or moral blame to an animal. That wouldn't make any sense.

They're saying that breed of dog should never be a domestic pet due to the excessive risk involved should an attack occur. The risk of harm in other breeds is far lesser than in banned breeds.

Nobody has said 'dogs are evil' but it feels like that's the argument you're countering when it's not one that's been presented.

In fact you agree (I think) that this dog shouldn't have ever been in a family setting, ever. Theres common ground here but you're defensive of dogs to an extent that you're missing the fact people aren't saying they're all bad or assigning moral blame to an animal.

I think in fact everyone is in agreement this dog should never have been in a family setting, ever, due to the excessive risk of harm and sadly death should it be alarmed or triggered resulting in an attack.

@youvegottenminuteslynn
Dogs are apparently killing people “on a regular basis” Untrue
“Vicious beasts” ludicrous bullshit.
I’m not defending dogs. I’m saying people need to manage their animals and understand and mitigate any risk.
But there is a batshit element on here demonising dogs and their owners.

I’m saying people need to manage their animals and understand and mitigate any risk.

Everyone agrees on that.

It's not possible to adequately mitigate the risk of the breeds banned in the UK. That's why they are banned breeds. It's terrible that people still insist on having those breeds in their homes.

waiting to hear from the usual Pitbull apologists

Yup. It starts as a few tentative remarks like 'its always the owner' but then dog worship posts gradually intensify. By the last few pages its a full on devotee doggy love in, sometimes includes nauseating 'my best boi' ...'pibble wouldn't hurt a fly'...photos.

A good campaign website for anyone interested is National Pitbull Victim Awareness. Giving multiple accounts on their database of 'family' dogs, that were well looked after in good homes, dogs that suddenly turned and killed. The site is USA based, we could really do with a UK version.

Another site is dogsbite

Dogs are apparently killing people “on a regular basis” Untrue

It is absolutely true. In the USA someone dies in a dog attack almost every week

“Vicious beasts” ludicrous bullshit.

It's the truth. Pitbulls are vicious beasts.
Yet again another person, a child, has died

Why on earth are people allowed to keep horrible, dangerous beasts like this as pets? There need to be stricter rules!

@Flaxmeadow

waiting to hear from the usual Pitbull apologists

Yup. It starts as a few tentative remarks like 'its always the owner' but then dog worship posts gradually intensify. By the last few pages its a full on devotee doggy love in, sometimes includes nauseating 'my best boi' ...'pibble wouldn't hurt a fly'...photos.

A good campaign website for anyone interested is National Pitbull Victim Awareness. Giving multiple accounts on their database of 'family' dogs, that were well looked after in good homes, dogs that suddenly turned and killed. The site is USA based, we could really do with a UK version.

Another site is dogsbite

Or worse, pictures of dogs (usually staffies) sleeping with a tiny baby right beside their head. What the fuck is wrong with people? You don't place your baby within reach of a dog, any dog, not a Doberman, not a Labrador, not a chihuahua, not even an elderly pug. No child should be injured in a dog attack, every single one is preventable by the owners keeping the dogs away from children ie on a lead in public and supervising them closely.

www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/dogs-killed-22-people-seven-22133952?fbclid=IwAR290AJbzlB9Ty2mMZ7XR_JWqNkxLL7WAqfAyr_iP6vWZIrbf3pCLcue9Gc

Or worse, pictures of dogs (usually staffies) sleeping with a tiny baby right beside their head

So stupid isn't it?

I love my dog as much as I can imagine. Absolutely adore him. But my baby is due in a couple of months time and I won't be leaving them alone for a second. No chance.

He can't reason like a person can, and leaving him with the baby would be putting both of them in a dangerous position.

Or worse, pictures of dogs (usually staffies) sleeping with a tiny baby right beside their head.

Yes i see this on my own personal social media on a regular basis. Dangerous dogs are a big problem where I live and the problem is you have no way to defend yourself if one leaps over a yard wall or garden fence. I hate the gun culture in the USA but lest face it, that is the only way to stop them if they attack. People here have seriously started to discuss weaponry in case of an escaped neighbourhood dog. Because the authorities do NOTHING about dangerous dogs. Infact many of them are dog nuts themselves. The person you complain to brushes you off as being paranoid or a hater

I have a social media friend who has just bought a huge puppy. It looks to me like a husky/akita cross, or one or the other. This is in a tiny family home, with teenagers and visiting grandchildren etc. This dog is only a few weeks old and its already massive and it 'nips', which is laughed off as being cute. I would have said something but you can't because you just get shouted down. Its so disheartening watching this time and time again

This story is awful and has really made me think about letting my kids go round friends' houses if I don't know about their pets.

I know of at least 3 illegal dogs in my neighbourhood, that have been reported numerous times (this doesn't even include the dog in my previous post) and i know this because i know the concerned people reporting them. Those dogs are STILL there. I'm telling you, the authorities do NOTHING. The laws are there but they are not being enforced

I get accused of hating dogs. I don't hate any animal and I hate any kind of animal cruelty. I'm not saying this for any other reason than to make people aware of the problem. The law isn't being enforced on this.

Totally irrelevant which breed of dog it was. The law needs to be changed, asap, relating to dogs that are aggressive. Too many people and kids have been injured or killed. Plus cats etc...

Totally irrelevant which breed of dog it was

But it isn't irrelevant. If a jack russel or pug attacked a child in our streets, im pretty sure the attack would and could be dealt with swiftly.

But how would you stop a pitbull, a rottweiler, an akita, etc? How? How the fuck would you even begin to stop it? They dont stop, they don't let go. It takes officers, in armour, with firearms

But it isn't irrelevant. If a jack russel or pug attacked a child in our streets, im pretty sure the attack would and could be dealt with swiftly

I do agree, but unfortunately babies are vulnerable to a lot of dogs.

I think when a dog is locked in an attack you should pull there back legs off the ground and not pull their jaws off the victim which would be your first instinct.

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I do agree, but unfortunately babies are vulnerable to a lot of dogs

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Well yes there have been cases where small dogs have killed babies. There was a case of a dachshund that ate a baby while the mother slept.

But consider this. In almost every case involving large powerful dogs, the attack did not stop until firearms officers intervened.

There was a death just a few years ago in the UK. A man, sat in his own home. A neighbours dog wandered in and killed him. This was an attack that according to witnesses lasted a considerable amount of time. Even hours? No one could get near the dog the whole while. All sorts of weapons were thrown at the dog, but the attack continued. These are not quick deaths and it often is impossible to get anywhere near the frenzied powerful dog. The dog will not allow it.

Yes I agree. I always eye up people with powerful dogs and I can tell the majority would not be able to control their dog if they got into a fight or attacked.

Even Cesor Milan accepts that some dogs are beyond his capabilites.

A Police Dog killed a poor man when it was going through his garden looking for a criminal so even the Police can't control their own highly trained animals.

What people don't get (although some obviously do) is that when they take a powerful dog for a walk, they might as well be carrying a loaded gun and pointing it at everyone - except that would be safer tbh.