To be so upset about the death of Jack Lis last night

[Aberteifi]

To feel so upset by the death of the poor 10 year old boy last night who was killed by a dog in Caerphilly.
My own son was mauled by a dog at 14 months old he has scars but he is here.
I remember the terror and the fear of it when it was happening and i can't help to feel it now knowing that is what that poor little boy went through last night.
His poor family must be going through the worst pain imaginable and i just feel so so sad for them.
I don't know why this case has really hit me but it has.

@Staryflight445

It should be the law with all dogs that they have to be trained professionally. Professionals would be able to weed out the aggressive/non trainable ones in an instant.

I think it should also be the law that anyone with a dog should have to also pay for training for themselves too, far too often I’m seeing videos on social media of people pushing their dogs too far and the dogs snap and the owners find it funny. It’s sooo irresponsible.

Yes I’ve noticed this on TikTok, a very strange trend appearing of people deliberately ignoring the dogs body language. One video a young woman was holding her young retriever/lab and was cuddling the dog against her face whilst it snarled, the dog snapped. She laughed and then went back AGAIN and this time the dog properly went for her face. What was most worrying was there just as many comments laughing and finding it amusing as there were people condemning what she was doing. Seeing it more and more…

She's supposed to be muzzled and on a lead when out in public. I will admit that I don't use the muzzle all the time, but I never let her off lead.

Why don’t you use the muzzle all the time if that’s the rule?

It’s true that staffies were called nanny dogs, and are recommended to be a good breed around children but remember that this is a proper KC standard staffie, not the horrific 40kg crossbreeds you see now.

Proper staffies are actually classed as a small size dog, maximum 16inches high and approx 15kg weight.

I don’t have a problem with those staffies, but sadly they have been crossbred by idiot thugs to be larger and more muscley and more aggressive and it’s ruined the breed.

@magicstar1 just follow the rules. Muzzle her in a park and keep her on a short lead!

I don't believe you would be able to control your dog if necessary. This is the problem the public face on a daily basis.

[quote wolfstarling]@magicstar1 just follow the rules. Muzzle her in a park and keep her on a short lead!

I don't believe you would be able to control your dog if necessary. This is the problem the public face on a daily basis.[/quote]
Sorry, when I said not muzzled all the time, it's in a private fenced off area with nobody else around. A long lead is fine there too...it's only about 15 feet. Just long enough to throw a ball for her. She is muzzled in public areas.

One question. What’s a nanny dog?

It's a figure of speech often used by Staffordshire Bull Terrier owners to excuse them having dogs around children. Its quite a dangerous myth because SBT's are one of the worst dogs for attacking and causing injury

Agree with a pp that even a well trained or well brought up dog is capable of turning nasty. Dogs are predatory carnivores that can attack for no reason at all. In the UK they are responsible for the hospitalisation of over 7,000 people a year, most of them children. That's admission onto a hospital ward.

@Flaxmeadow dogs don’t attack for no reason at all. They’re not predatory.
Stop with the inflammatory nonsense.

WolfieFan Tell that to farmers or cats!

[quote Wolfiefan]@Flaxmeadow dogs don’t attack for no reason at all. They’re not predatory.
Stop with the inflammatory nonsense.[/quote]
but they attack just because they don't like something
My daughter was lunged at with no warning. Experienced dog owner owned her from a puppy and I've had dogs all my life both from puppies and rescue. We were all just sitting drinking tea
Dogs are unpredictable as are all animals

I feel so sad for this little boy.
All dogs no matter what the size or breed have the potential to be dangerous. I fell out with my mother in law because we took our newborn to see her, put the carseat on the floor and one of her lhasa psos rushed out of nowhere and bit her face. Mother in laws view was that it was his house so he shouldn't be put out. It just missed baby's eye. I said fine its obvious he doesn't want us to visit so we won't ..sorted. Refused to visit until the dog was locked out.
I have a springer spaniel cross. We have had him since a puppy and my youngest was 3 and I have never left them unsupervised. She is 12 now and I still don't. I am also really careful with visitors especially children. He is a wonderful dog, has never shown aggression, is very well trained ..but while I can read his body language I just won't chance it. Too many people think their dogs don't have the capacity to do harm..total denial.
That dog in wales should never have been left with those boys, it was an unknown quantity.

Information about the man who sold the dog is out and he fits every stereotype.
Of course, he had nothing to do with the dog. It wasn't his fault as he had already sold it.

@RantyAunty

Information about the man who sold the dog is out and he fits every stereotype. Of course, he had nothing to do with the dog. It wasn't his fault as he had already sold it.

Yep , as expected , but it sounds like it was an illegal breed How’s he going to avoid/get round/excuse that ?

Information about the man who sold the dog is out and he fits every stereotype.
Of course, he had nothing to do with the dog. It wasn't his fault as he had already sold it.

He advertised it as a ‘beast’ though who had already been aggressive to his other dogs which was why he wanted to get rid of it. He said it hadn’t been a problem with people at that point. Of course he should have taken it to the RSPCA or a dog shelter so they could rehome, or not, but the people who bought it and allowed DC to be in a house alone with it are responsible for what happened. Especially as they hadn’t had it long and they must have know it had been aggressive if they had seen the ad for it.

Why the hell would you want a dog like that when you have DC in the house is beyond me.

The previous owner may also have had the dog around his own DC. Pictures in the news of him carrying a child. There is something really disturbing about that. I wonder if it crossed his mind that it could have been his child?

people always say " ah no she's lovely" and keep approaching. It's mad.

Ive had similar. Just last week actually. A middle aged couple basically followed me around a park, even though it was quite obvious that I was trying to get away from them. In the end, they got their way and got to pet my dog 🤬

He's a jack russell and he's not bitey. But he's easily excitable (gets really barky really easily) so id rather people just stayed away.

I wish people would have a bit more awareness that if they don't know the dog, they shouldn't approach it or insist on petting it.

Friend of a friend has a cavapoochon. It looks like a teddy bear. It bit my daughter badly on the arm recently when she tried to stroke it. Very middle class family. They apologised and we accepted it was probably her fault for going to stroke it when it wasn't expecting it. It's not all pit bulls in Caerphilly. Al dogs can be dangerous. Even the cute ones.

It's horrendous. Poor lovely Jack and his Mum. What a truly horrible tragedy.

Recently while in Pets at Home a man in front of us in the very slow queue was chatting to the cashier and said his dog was a Pit Bull Cross. I wish now I'd said something or made a report. I got DH to stand in front of DC as the dogs behaviour was manic - it was pulling constantly on its extendable lead and basically didn't look at the owner once. I've been reading about Pit Bulls and apparently they are much easier aroused to fight than other dogs. This definitely seemed to be within the capability of the dog I saw. We have a small dog but in public he is always on the lead. I always supervise him with guests, basically having him pointed at me. He is friendly and not at all bitey, but dogs are animals.

I know some people love Staffies but they have the same low muscular body weight as a Pit Bull. If they do attack they are low to the ground and muscular. I always hated that they were pretty much the height of a child in a buggy.

@Flaxmeadowdogs don’t attack for no reason at all.

Well the dog might have a reason but most humans let alone children, are not dog mind-readers!
I'm pretty sure that dogs have an intelligence level similar to that of a pre school child - who have a massive tantrum because you gave them a blue cup when they wanted a red one , or you did their shoe up for them and they wanted to do it themselves. (ie sometimes quite unfathomable reasons)

I'm pretty sure that dogs have an intelligence level similar to that of a pre school child - who have a massive tantrum because you gave them a blue cup when they wanted a red one , or you did their shoe up for them and they wanted to do it themselves. (ie sometimes quite unfathomable reasons)

That's such a good point.

Why am I being misquoted?

I actually said 'dogs can attack for no reason at all'.

This is a fact. Dogs are dangerous and unpredictable. They kill people, especually the vulnerable, on a regular basis and have attacked and killed for no discernible reason

Why are people even defending these vicious beasts, especially bull types

I was quoting and replying to wolfiefans reply to you @Flaxmeadow

Oops @Flaxmeadow sorry I bolded the wrong thing

Yes, all dogs can bite and injure - but come on, the reality is that it’s a certain type of dog that is most likely to kill.

I see two of those dogs in my local park on a regular basis. One is walked on a lead by a father and son. It’s a very powerful dog and you can see it pulling on the lead. I hate to think what would happen if it was off the lead. The other dog is taken out by a woman off the lead. It is very clear that the woman has trouble controlling it. This dog once started growling at and chasing my teen dd when she was out running and she has now developed a dog phobia despite previously being a complete dog lover.

@Flaxmeadow none of that is a fact!
@Sweetandsaltycaroline I don’t need to be a mind reader. I can interpret the body language of my dogs. And I wouldn’t leave them with a child. So that’s not an issue.

[quote Wolfiefan]@Flaxmeadow dogs don’t attack for no reason at all. They’re not predatory.
Stop with the inflammatory nonsense.[/quote]
But they can attack for a reason that is as simple as a child moving their arm quickly in their eyeline, or an unexpected stranger entering a room quickly etc.