Teacher filmed attacking her horse

[GrabbyAbbie]

Just seen the footage of a woman attacking a horse after a "drag hunt"
She is a primary school teacher and a member of the pony club.
Aibu to think she should lose her job over this?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2021/11/09/foxhunter-filmed-slapping-and-kicking-horse-is-primary-school-teacher-15567946/amp/

I'm a Pescatarian!
I've already apologised for saying vegetarian, if you dont want to accept it then that's up to you but can we get back to the bloody topic

Oh see we have 🤣

She can be sacked for a breakdown in trust between the stakeholders making her position untenable

This is true. It is very easy for teachers to lose their job if they bring unacceptable publicity to the school, if they behave unprofessionally even outside a classroom, or in any way bring the profession into disrepute. You are a teacher 24 hours a day in many ways..

I'd say it comes down more to schools social media policy, bringing the the reputation of the school into disrepute in regards to possible work sanctions. How happy would the school board be, having an adult who is happy to batter shite out of a horse have a position of repo so it'll in a school, with children. Clearly had a temper control issue if you can do that to an animal, and very publicly. So would imagine it will come down to a reputation thing, not saying she'd be aggressive with children, at all, but the school and her reputation will be affected by the footage.

although I know Mumsnet doesn't really do nuance or debate these days.

This is two threads now on this topic where you have in multiple posts repeatedly downplayed and minimised her behaviour - who me? where? - and positioned yourself as the reasonable one.

@mbosnz

I imagine the horse botherer is currently over identifying with the prey attempting to keep ahead of the baying hounds at the moment - could be quite educational for her!

Ah yes the hunter becomes the hunted, very apt.

@mbosnz Hopefully this will be a good empathy lesson for her.
A walk in the paws shoes of a fox.

I imagine the horse botherer is currently over identifying with the prey attempting to keep ahead of the baying hounds at the moment - could be quite educational for her!

Innocent until proven guilty?
What's she innocent of?

We are not a court. But we can see footage of what she did. This is not hearsay.

Innocent until proven guilty

Errrrm, you mean like a video proving her guilty?

@Derbee

Innocent until proven guilty

Errrrm, you mean like a video proving her guilty?

Maybe it's CGI and it was an elaborate set up by the sabs and it will be proven in court that it was two people in green suits being a horse and one being the horse kicking star of the show.

You can do anything with computers these days.

It's not "Innocent until proven guilty". It's "presumed innocent until proven guilty" (by a court of law) - minor but important distinction. However the footage means she'd be daft to plead not guilty.

Whacking the horse was clearly unreasonable, but was it markedly worse than what nearly every jockey does in a steeplechase? Doesn't matter what other riders do. And anyway, jockeys tend to fan the whip alongside the horse so it can see it, or strike the flanks, not hit it about the head and nose.

Will the CPS or court look at whether there was any "disciplinary" justification after the horse ran into the road?
Hitting a horse after the fact is not going to work as a disciplinary action and I'd hope the CPS would realise that would be a dead-end as far as justifying what she did goes.

Will the conduct of the sabs be a mitigating factor?
They didn't make her hit the horse.

Justification for hitting the horse?
Sure if an animal trots towards the road you are allowed to abuse that animal in return.

So many minimisations on this thread of very clear animal abuse.

Behaving appropriately outside of work was a requirement of my employment (not teaching). it was made very clear that behaviour considered inappropriate even out of work hours could result in dismissal. Don't see why a teacher who has demonstrated such shocking behaviour should keep her job. What message is that sending out to her pupils? And who's to say she couldn't flip with children as well as animals?

She should go to prison, and then she would lose her job too, no one in their right mind should want someone who is such a cruel bully anywhere near their children. She should also be banned for life from owning an animal and I hope she hasn't or never has children if she were to bring them up like her. There is no way to look at this in the 'round'. There is no excuse and zero tolerance is needed.

@julieca

You are right. You never hit an animal to 'discipline' it. It is the actions of a vicious nasty bully. Many laws were made a long time ago and need updating. They need challenging from time to time as our attitudes as a society mature, or we would still be chemically castrating gay men and beating our children. I think it is a bit odd to rely on the 'law' so competely. Isn't there a saying about justice and the law, they are not the same thing? Law can often let people down.

@IntermittentParps

Innocent until proven guilty? What's she innocent of?

At the moment, everything as far as our legal system is concerned. Assuming she has no prior convictions of course.

She should go to prison

While rapists and thieves get community service? Really?
No. Rapists and thieves should get longer sentences, and she should also, in this poster's (if found guilty) go to prison. It's not zero-sum.

Lockheart, she is not innocent of hitting the horse about the head and kicking it. This thread can't decide points of law, obviously; but equally posters CAN say whether they'd be happy for her to teach their children (which is what the poster was saying who you responded to).

She should go to prison

Why? What will that achieve? Apart from clogging up an already full system and costing thousands of pounds? It might possibly deter people from acts of animal cruelty, but it's more likely just to mean they're careful being filmed. There have been cases of far worse abuse than that which have not been punished by custodial sentences.

Instead of some kneejerk reaction intended as some sort of public display of righteousness, why not think about what would most help that horse and others in similar situations?