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Teacher filmed attacking her horse

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GrabbyAbbie · 09/11/2021 16:37

Just seen the footage of a woman attacking a horse after a "drag hunt"
She is a primary school teacher and a member of the pony club.
Aibu to think she should lose her job over this?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2021/11/09/foxhunter-filmed-slapping-and-kicking-horse-is-primary-school-teacher-15567946/amp/

OP posts:
Megan2018 · 11/11/2021 11:37

[quote IncompleteSenten]@Megan2018
I have a question. It's going to sound snarky but I honestly am not having a go. I genuinely would like an honest answer and I am not looking to attack you but there is no way to ask the question that avoids it sounding mean!

If you choose to reply, no matter what your reply, I won't respond with an attack or an insult.

You went hunting pre ban. So you hunted actual foxes. What was enjoyable to you about chasing a fox down and having it ripped to bits by dogs? Did you enjoy that bit? Ignore that bit? How did you view the fox?[/quote]
I think I went about 20 times pre ban as I rarely had anything to ride then and didn’t go when I was at uni. I wasn’t fortunate to be a PC regular as my parents were skint.
I only saw 2 kills that I can remember in that time. Most of the field never saw anything at all as you can be miles away and it was fairly unusual for there to be kills at all to be fair. It’s a really minor part of it, for most people enjoying the ride, staying on, deciding what you are brave enough to jump and getting back in one piece is the focus.
I’ve hunted with several packs post ban and there’s been very few occasions I’ve seen a fox, and they’ve always got away as they weren’t particularly near the hounds.
I don’t have an issue killing foxes though, we shot one last year that was after our hens. My hens are pets and they take priority for me. Hounds kill very cleanly, nothing was ever ripped to bits. I think there’s far worse things in life. Intensive farming is certainly less ethical.
We’re getting the terrier man in soon to deal with some rats, I’d sooner do that than use poison or traps, I don’t see foxes very differently really. The hunt does so much for the rural community that people don’t understand. Foxes need managing, and without hunting they are still trapped, shot etc.

There’s still certainly mixed feelings in the village today-some people within our own family have different views on what should happen next. I think we all feel sad though overall.

Ddot · 11/11/2021 11:45

Shoot the fox dont run it till its heart explodes or pull, rip it apart limb from limb. I personally and dont care if its offensive, think your (hunters) a bunch of entitled shits

IncompleteSenten · 11/11/2021 11:47

Thank you for choosing to reply Megan. I appreciate it.

WildExcuses · 11/11/2021 11:50

What a load of bollocks.

WildExcuses · 11/11/2021 11:54

Hounds kill very cleanly, nothing was ever ripped to bits.

So many lies in your post. This is the most easily provable one. Lots of video and photo evidence.

There’s some sick bastards.

julieca · 11/11/2021 11:56

@Megan2018 what exactly do the hunt do for the rural community? Cause my families sheep to abort their lambs?
They are officially banned from their land, but as I am sure you know that does not stop them.

ChocoholicWineLover · 11/11/2021 12:06

@Megan2018

Hounds kill cleanly, WTF, how insulting for those poor foxes, they are ripped apart.

Are you a vegetarian?

julieca · 11/11/2021 12:14

Are you implying you have to be vegetarian to object to cruelty against animals?

Ddot · 11/11/2021 12:18

Yes I am

Ddot · 11/11/2021 12:23

Hare hunting banned, cock fighting banned, dog fighting banned all working class and barbaric. Fox hunting banned. But we will do what we like because we are the elite so sod off.

julieca · 11/11/2021 12:25

I agree with you that working-class barbaric sports were banned, but those for the elite were untouched.

Yes there is a contradiction in what people object to, but I would prefer that at least some animal cruelty was objected to, than that no animal cruelty was.

Shitzngiggles · 11/11/2021 12:26

How do hounds kill cleanly? Can't see how that could be in any way possible.

Shitzngiggles · 11/11/2021 12:27

It's just downright barbaric and nothing will ever convince me otherwise.

Floundery · 11/11/2021 12:38

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eastegg · 11/11/2021 12:46

@RosieLemonade

This is from the Teacher's Standards. Code of Conduct for all teachers.
This.

It’s not just about, as another PP said, what’s in her job contract, or even what her school thinks of it, it’s also a matter for her professional body. This is just the sort of situation that highlights the difference between a profession and a job. There are standards to uphold. Plus the fact her role involves vulnerable people.

Also, assuming she works in the state sector, she’s a public servant ffs!

Pretty sure my professional body would have a lot to say about this, teaching will be similar I think.

ThePriceIsNotRight · 11/11/2021 12:49

I am vegetarian and I’m quite glad people are speaking out against animal cruelty, regardless of whether they eat meat or not. If only vegetarians and vegans are ‘allowed’ to speak against it, a lot more animal abuse would end up ignored. I’d much rather people speak out than didn’t.

ChocoholicWineLover · 11/11/2021 12:58

@julieca

Are you implying you have to be vegetarian to object to cruelty against animals?
@juliecaI am implying that it’s hypocritical for that poster to shoot a fox for hunting to survive, when no doubt she tucks into a meat dinner everyday. It would be like shooting humans that eat meat, wouldn’t it, when animals hunt to survive they are persecuted. I also don’t feel you need to shoot an animal, good husbandry is all you need.
Megan2018 · 11/11/2021 13:00

[quote ChocoholicWineLover]@Megan2018

Hounds kill cleanly, WTF, how insulting for those poor foxes, they are ripped apart.

Are you a vegetarian?[/quote]
I was a strict vegetarian for 15 years, now lapsed. But I hunted when I was vegetarian as a teen and younger adult and wasn’t the only one.

ChocoholicWineLover · 11/11/2021 13:04

@julieca

I think humans are very hypocritical as a species generally anyway. I’ve seen posts on Facebook where people have been angry/upset about hens who has been killed by a fox, whilst those very people will be tucking into their chicken at home.
Cognitive dissonance springs to mind.

Megan2018 · 11/11/2021 13:06

@Shitzngiggles

How do hounds kill cleanly? Can't see how that could be in any way possible.
They go for the neck on instinct. If you want to See a good example with terriers then this is a good one
Megan2018 · 11/11/2021 13:09

Obviously that’s terriers not hounds, but foxhounds are similar. Dogs don’t play with their food, they aren’t cats. Cats are cruel buggers (I love my cats but they aren’t that kind to prey!)

ChocoholicWineLover · 11/11/2021 13:10

@Megan2018
Stop down playing fox hunting with your bullshit! There’s enough evidence out there that shows this isn’t true!
Also a terrier killing a rat is different from a blood hound, so your video is irrelevant.

ChocoholicWineLover · 11/11/2021 13:13

@Megan2018

Fiction: Hunting is humane, foxhounds are trained to kill with a nip to the back of the neck
Fact: You don't need to be a scientist to know that chasing a mammal, often to the point of exhaustion and allowing a pack of dogs to rip it apart, in the name of 'sport', is inhumane.
A study of post-mortem examinations of foxes killed by hounds above ground undermined this claim, indicating that the animals died from profound trauma inflicted by multiple dog bites rather than a 'quick bite to the neck'.
The study showed that in many cases foxes are disemboweled first. The Burns report also concluded that hunting with dogs causes animal suffering both during the latter stages of the chase and at the kill.

There we go!!

NeverDropYourMoonCup · 11/11/2021 13:13

@grannymrssmith

I am trying to understand something maybe someone would come along and clarify. Why is it animal abuse when a horse is being punched and kicked but not when adult and baby animals are slaughtered, imprisoned in battery cages. Is the latter animal abuse or not?
That's irrelevant - unless you are happy for neither to be addressed because the larger numbers who would agree with you on one do not agree with you on the other and are content to reject those who might have possibly come over to your way of thinking on the latter, had you not effectively told them to fuck off and keep their noses out of anything to do with animals.
dropitlikeitsloth · 11/11/2021 13:18

[quote ChocoholicWineLover]@Megan2018

Fiction: Hunting is humane, foxhounds are trained to kill with a nip to the back of the neck
Fact: You don't need to be a scientist to know that chasing a mammal, often to the point of exhaustion and allowing a pack of dogs to rip it apart, in the name of 'sport', is inhumane.
A study of post-mortem examinations of foxes killed by hounds above ground undermined this claim, indicating that the animals died from profound trauma inflicted by multiple dog bites rather than a 'quick bite to the neck'.
The study showed that in many cases foxes are disemboweled first. The Burns report also concluded that hunting with dogs causes animal suffering both during the latter stages of the chase and at the kill.

There we go!![/quote]
Thanks @ChocoholicWineLover I was about to respond but you’ve replied much more eloquently than I could. The ignorance these people have is outstanding.

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