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Dad gave my mum's house away

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user1493035447 · 09/11/2021 11:37

Bit of a complicated situation but I wanted views on this. My parents bought their house together, and when my mum died she had a secret life insurance policy my dad never knew about that paid off the mortgage in full.

My dad later got married to what can only be described as a psychopath. He told everyone he had a will in place to ensure my siblings and I (who were still children) would get the family home if anything happened to him.

The marriage didn't last and he again remarried a foreign bride. At the time I was a student and I told my dad of my concerns - if anything were to happen to him it would have impacted the feasibility of my studies but he assured me that my siblings and I would be taken care of. The subject didn't crop up again until late last year when he was terminally ill. In the intervening years he kept telling all his family and friends how wealthy his wife was, and this is something I believed as I was aware she has at least 2 houses of her own.

Last year however my dad announced that he had no will and everything would go to his wife. My siblings and I were shocked. Firstly he had lied when we were younger and if something had happened to him it would have left the family home to his psychopathic wife, and she would just have abandoned us. It would have made life very difficult for us.

Secondly he lied to my granny who questioned him about a will, and if she had know this I am not so certain she would have left him half her estate.

We are now in a position where the wife is getting everything, the house my mum helped pay for and my granny's estate. I don't want to sound entitled as I don't need the money, and would be just as happy seeing it go to a charity that helped my parents. My sister however is struggling to pay for childcare and she is very resentful of my dad now. I do however resent every time I was out with my dad and I insisted on paying for meals and drinks, that I was basically writing a cheque to the wife. I didn't realise how much he had in his bank account until before he died and I would absolutely not have paid for as much as I did if I had know this situation. Over the years I also helped him by paying for half of any repairs he had on the house and I feel as though he isn't the person I thought I knew.

To complicate matters further he told me he wanted his ashes buried with my mum's. However this is something the wife has developed amnesia over and she is in possession of both sets of ashes.

Had anyone else been through a situation like this or have any views on it? I feel it's something I can't get out my head and can't believe my dad left such a mess - as children we seemed to understand the importance of a will. I do understand she was his wife but the marriage seemed so toxic and we were definitely lied to about her financial situation - not that is was something we ever asked!!

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IamtheDevilsAvocado · 09/11/2021 11:46

Are you absolutely sure there was no will??
Is there any way, wife has hidden /destroyed it?

it does sound odd given his continued comments over the years about you being 'looked after'?

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 09/11/2021 11:48

The I have no will comment is odd in light of all that he said?

Have you contacted local solicitors to see if any will was registered with them?

BubblesThaDragoon · 09/11/2021 11:49

Can you contest this if there was no will?

SpinachIsAGatewayDrug · 09/11/2021 11:50

This sounds like it needs one or more professionals:

  • a lawyer to give you good legal advice on if you can 'contest' or claim in any way
  • a therapist to help support you emotionally as you unpick and come to terms with the betrayal

It sounds like such a hurtful situation for you and your sister Sad

readsalotgirl63 · 09/11/2021 11:50

Think you need legal advice. In Scotland ( where I am ) it is not possible to exclude children from inheritance even if there is no will. Sorry I know that's maybe not very helpful.

I do feel for you and didn't want to read and run. I would strongly suggest legal advice but I know that doesn't really address the issue of loss of trust and feeling your dad isn't the man you thought he was.

Chippymunks · 09/11/2021 11:51

The lying about having a will is really weird.

Lightswitch123 · 09/11/2021 11:53

I think you should seek legal advice. I would be very upset and resentful. You don't sound entitled at all, why should a random unrelated 3rd wife get your granny's inheritance? I'd be devastated if my grandchildren were disinherited in this fashion. Stop worrying about if you "need" it- IMHO it's the principle.

EdgeOfTheSky · 09/11/2021 11:54

How awful.

So sorry OP. I am exasperated and gobsmacked at how many men do this sort of thing.

It is a shame that your Mum, organised and forward thinking as she was about the life insurance, didn’t leave a will leaving her half of the house directly to you. With a life interest for your Dad to live in the house.

There is nothing you can do, I think, but your circumstances are a big warning about how we all plan our lives.

Chippymunks · 09/11/2021 11:55

How long ago did your DM die OP?

LivingLaVidaBabyShower · 09/11/2021 11:56

Last year however my dad announced that he had no will and everything would go to his wife

To complicate matters further he told me he wanted his ashes buried with my mum's. However this is something the wife has developed amnesia over and she is in possession of both sets of ashes.

Not the same but something similar via childless aunt. It was a hot mess.

I am really sorry but your dad is a total arsehole who has fucked you all over.
You cant change it amd just need to accept it.
There is unlikely to be a hidden will because he told you he was leaving you nothing.

I would speak calmly and nicely the the last wife and ask for your mothers ashes. Its a bit rich of your dad to demand to be buried with your mum and i wouldn't try and fulfil that wish because due to his own actions his latest wife has control over his ashes (ie. this was his doing!) But i would want my mothers ashes and she'd be incredibly cruel to deny you that

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BloomingTrees · 09/11/2021 11:59

I second getting solicitor advice. It is strange he said he had a will if he didn't.

Do you have any proof he said he had a will ( emails for example).

BloomingTrees · 09/11/2021 12:00

Sorry I just noticed he told you his 2nd wife was to get everything. He was a fool but there's probably not much you can do.

Chippymunks · 09/11/2021 12:02

Maybe he did do a Will when he was married to the second wife but then decided he wanted the third wife to inherit his estate.

Aprilx · 09/11/2021 12:03

@BubblesThaDragoon

Can you contest this if there was no will?
It is not possible to contest intestacy laws, but OP should ensure these are properly applied as the laws in England Wales and Scotland do provide for children to different degrees and depending upon size of estate.

Wills are pretty hard to contest too, unless OP was reliant upon her father which doesn’t sound like was the case.

OP is understandably hurt, but it does sound like her father was fully aware and chose to do this, rather than he inadvertently left a mess.

Youseethethingis · 09/11/2021 12:03

I'd be less concerned about the money than about some random, belligerant woman having my Mum's ashes!
The whole things stinks of massive betrayal. Your father has betrayed you, your sister, his grandchildren, his mother, your mother. That's a lot of hurt to work through. I think PP is right that perhaps therapy might be required. Don't let this consume you. Flowers

FlowerArranger · 09/11/2021 12:03

It is a shame that your Mum, organised and forward thinking as she was about the life insurance, didn’t leave a will leaving her half of the house directly to you. With a life interest for your Dad to live in the house.

For this to be possible, they would have to have owned the house as tenants in common.

This would be unusual as the usual default way of married couples owning property is as joint tenants.

Sadly, not everyone is aware of this. There may be many people who rely on homemade wills who think they can will their share of the property to someone other than their spouse.

Whereismumhiding3 · 09/11/2021 12:04

If there was no will abs you can't find a will, the wife won't inherit everything over £270000 in the estate of U.K.

As the children or dad you get share of 50% of amount over £270000

www.citizensadvice.org.uk/family/death-and-wills/who-can-inherit-if-there-is-no-will-the-rules-of-intestacy/

You need to find out who is executor of the estate and look up Zoopla valuation of property dad left

Whereismumhiding3 · 09/11/2021 12:08

Sorry my "of" and "if"s changed to "or" in some places

Quartz2208 · 09/11/2021 12:09

This doesnt make sense. The only way it would go to his wife is if he did leave a will. UK intestancy laws do vary but all have an element of splitting it

Chippymunks · 09/11/2021 12:13

Quartz2208 not if the entire estate was worth less than £270000.

user1493035447 · 09/11/2021 12:14

My mum died in 1993 and she clearly trusted my dad. It's very sad looking at how she dealt with things, she gave family members schedules of our activities and even bought out clothes for her funeral. My dad on the other hand just buried his head in the sand. I think the lying about a will was to get my granny off his back, but she could clearly see what would happen without one. Why he lied to us is incomprehensible to me. I think it is a word of warning g to everyone out there to write a fool proof will and even leave things to your children of that is what you ultimately want. It is a complete mess.

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TasteTheMeatNotTheHeat · 09/11/2021 12:14

You need some good legal advice. This whole situation is very odd and I wouldn't just take this at face value.

Changemusthappen · 09/11/2021 12:14

This is exactly why I am leaving my share of everything to my children, I have will logged with a solicitor and my children know about it. I am so sorry for you OP I really hope you get this sorted and get what your mum would have wanted you to have.

BadlyFormedQuestion · 09/11/2021 12:15

If they own the house as joint tenants, then it’s 100% her house already. Regardless of a will or otherwise. It makes no difference that your mother’s life assurance paid off the mortgage.

And he could well have a will that leaves everything else to his wife.

This is a common problem in families where a parent has remarried. Often people don’t realise the need to make provision to ensure their children are not disinherited because they don’t see it as something that is likely to happen.

Chippymunks · 09/11/2021 12:15

He may not have lied, he could have made a Will leaving his estate to his DC and then later in life decided he wanted it to go to his wife.

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