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Dad gave my mum's house away

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user1493035447 · 09/11/2021 11:37

Bit of a complicated situation but I wanted views on this. My parents bought their house together, and when my mum died she had a secret life insurance policy my dad never knew about that paid off the mortgage in full.

My dad later got married to what can only be described as a psychopath. He told everyone he had a will in place to ensure my siblings and I (who were still children) would get the family home if anything happened to him.

The marriage didn't last and he again remarried a foreign bride. At the time I was a student and I told my dad of my concerns - if anything were to happen to him it would have impacted the feasibility of my studies but he assured me that my siblings and I would be taken care of. The subject didn't crop up again until late last year when he was terminally ill. In the intervening years he kept telling all his family and friends how wealthy his wife was, and this is something I believed as I was aware she has at least 2 houses of her own.

Last year however my dad announced that he had no will and everything would go to his wife. My siblings and I were shocked. Firstly he had lied when we were younger and if something had happened to him it would have left the family home to his psychopathic wife, and she would just have abandoned us. It would have made life very difficult for us.

Secondly he lied to my granny who questioned him about a will, and if she had know this I am not so certain she would have left him half her estate.

We are now in a position where the wife is getting everything, the house my mum helped pay for and my granny's estate. I don't want to sound entitled as I don't need the money, and would be just as happy seeing it go to a charity that helped my parents. My sister however is struggling to pay for childcare and she is very resentful of my dad now. I do however resent every time I was out with my dad and I insisted on paying for meals and drinks, that I was basically writing a cheque to the wife. I didn't realise how much he had in his bank account until before he died and I would absolutely not have paid for as much as I did if I had know this situation. Over the years I also helped him by paying for half of any repairs he had on the house and I feel as though he isn't the person I thought I knew.

To complicate matters further he told me he wanted his ashes buried with my mum's. However this is something the wife has developed amnesia over and she is in possession of both sets of ashes.

Had anyone else been through a situation like this or have any views on it? I feel it's something I can't get out my head and can't believe my dad left such a mess - as children we seemed to understand the importance of a will. I do understand she was his wife but the marriage seemed so toxic and we were definitely lied to about her financial situation - not that is was something we ever asked!!

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TatianaBis · 09/11/2021 12:54

@Almostmenopausal

Sorry to ask so bluntly but it's not clear from your OP - is your Dad still alive???
I wondered the same as OP does not say directly. But then I realised - she says the wife is 'in possession of both sets of ashes' so he must be.

Obviously advice depends upon that point.

Rainallnight · 09/11/2021 12:55

I’m so, so sorry you’re in this position, OP. It’s very hurtful. This has happened to a friend of ours and it is just gobsmacking how this can come about.

oakleaffy · 09/11/2021 12:57

@user1493035447
I’m so sorry this has happened.
A lonely, vulnerable old person left a valuable property to a person I know

The old person has a son.

It’s a dreadful situation, and one your mum would surely have not wanted.

blameless · 09/11/2021 12:57

Parents can cause much heartache - possibly because they know exactly how to manipulate us.

I would urge anyone with a vulnerable parent - even one who appears to be independent - to take a loom at the following www.predatorymarriage.uk/

spudinmysock · 09/11/2021 12:59

@BadlyFormedQuestion

That was only 10% of the story . From the minute he was unconscious she started, it's not my thread so I won't derail too much .

She was an absolute cunt to us

I had to threaten legal action to have the deeds of my DM's grave given to back to us as I her words "they belonged to your dad and everything that was his is now mine , that's includes your mum"

I don't completely blame her , my DF didn't do his bit either .

I sound bitter talking about it now but as the years pass it doesn't matter quite so much

terrichild · 09/11/2021 13:02

Old men and even younger men are such a pushover where a certain type of woman is concerned. Love the book a short history of tractors in the Ukraine which is a funny novel about an old fellow marrying a large busted woman from a far away land. My friends dad had a will.that his wife had written and my frien had seen it over the years but after her mum died it was no where to be seen. His new very much younger wife got the lot when he died. As the house was a family home on the mother’s side from the grandma and further back it caused a family breakup. And before I’m jumped on re entitlement etc etc this thread is about deceit and lieing etc. It’s easy to be critical of the children who complain when this happens but unless it’s happened to you , it affects in many ways.

Zilla1 · 09/11/2021 13:03

@Bellringer sorry to hear that. I'm sure you will have had advice but if mutual wills were involved rather than mirror wills (I mention this as I've heard people use the terms interchangeably) then the testator doesn't have a free hand to unilaterally change these in some circumstances.

BadlyFormedQuestion · 09/11/2021 13:03

@user1493035447

He died a few months ago now, so there is no closure. I tried discussing the will situation when I found out it was a lie but he got very aggressive and said it was none of my business. His best friend got the same reaction when he tried to bring up the subject with him too.
If he was defensive about it, then you can be pretty sure it wasn’t an accidental oversight. He wanted his estate to go to his wife.

I know it’s hurtful, and that the money would make a big difference (to your sister in particular), but it might help you to recognise that this is what your father wanted to do. Recognising it is probably the first step in moving on from this.

If he wanted to do something different, he could have, especially since people were telling him he ‘should’ while he was alive. He knew what people wanted him to do and made a different choice.

Another way to help you to reframe it might be to think about it from his perspective. Your mother died presumably many years ago (since he’s remarried twice in the time). He’s found someone he wanted to marry and spend the rest of his life with, and he wanted to pass the marital assets on to her. It may not have been a rejection of you or anything like that (however much it feels like it is).

He may well have changed his mind about what he wanted to do with his remains, and agreed this with his wife. He might also have given her instructions about his first wife’s ashes. You don’t know what he’s intending.

Presumably she is grieving the loss of her husband and recognizes that everyone is resentful of her and angry about this, especially if she’s just following the instructions he gave her. That may well be why she is behaving the way she is.

I’m mostly suggesting this to try to help you get to a place where you feel less angry about it all. You’ve lost your father (both your parents now) and that’s a very hard thing even without complications around inheritance.

India92 · 09/11/2021 13:04

So sorry OP.

Why do so many men do this? A lonely elderly man I know has decided to leave his house to a much younger woman who bleeds him dry with sob stories (she even has a husband(!)) Rather than his two daughters who he has an absolutely fine relationship with. So ridiculous and infuriating how they fall for cons.

JetRocket · 09/11/2021 13:04

Even if there is a will it doesn’t protect kids.

After MIL and FIL divorced FIL remarried and did make an iron clad will leaving everything (other than his generous 6 figure pension) to his kids.

Regardless his new wife (of just a few years) contested it and stole over £100k from his two then teenage children. Apparently she claimed he didn’t leave her adequately provided for and the six figure pension she got didn’t count Hmm

BadlyFormedQuestion · 09/11/2021 13:07

[quote spudinmysock]@BadlyFormedQuestion

That was only 10% of the story . From the minute he was unconscious she started, it's not my thread so I won't derail too much .

She was an absolute cunt to us

I had to threaten legal action to have the deeds of my DM's grave given to back to us as I her words "they belonged to your dad and everything that was his is now mine , that's includes your mum"

I don't completely blame her , my DF didn't do his bit either .

I sound bitter talking about it now but as the years pass it doesn't matter quite so much [/quote]
I’m really sorry it was so difficult.

Whatever the circumstances, it’s hard.

HeartsAndClubs · 09/11/2021 13:08

When a man has children he has to have a will in order for it to be left to his wife, otherwise money automatically goes to his children. no this isn’t true. Another poster has explained it further upthread, but I would say that if the dad became defensive over it etc he likely had a will.

Either way, OP you can request a copy of the will if there is one and that will give you some idea of how it was.

I know all too many people who this has happened to and unfortunately it’s very unlikely that you would be able to do anything, and legal advice will be costly and likely pointless.

Unsure33 · 09/11/2021 13:09

Have you actually seen letters of administration ? Do you know everything has been declared properly on the letters of administration ?

Do you have an idea of the value of the total estate ?

and do you know if your father ever used a solicitor in the past ?

I am sorry for you having to do this after losing your father but I definitely think this needs further investigation .

oakleaffy · 09/11/2021 13:09

Property is so valuable now, old people can be targeted for it.
It’s almost in- contestable, too, I think if they were of sound mind when writing will.
A pharmacist was left a property too, just for delivering drugs in the last few weeks of the person’s life.
A neighbour was told the house would be left to them.. and they had done maintenance on the house thinking it would one day be theirs?!

It’s always a gamble with wills
Alleged murder took place over a will change
Hilles House Painswick.
(In the press)

user1493035447 · 09/11/2021 13:14

I'm sorry badlyformedquestion bit this is not the case. He told me several times over the years after a glass of wine he wanted to be buried with my mum. And when I found out he had no will the whole argument I had was about where his ashes should go and he said his wife knew he wanted them to go with my mum and he trusted her so he disnt need a will. I believe he was more in denial rather and didn't want to face up to reality. He got married twice barely meeting the either time and the marriage was definitely toxic. She left him for several months before he got ill. Nobody who saw them believed it was a genuine loving marriage.

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endofagain · 09/11/2021 13:14

This why IHT and estate planning is so important. This happens so often. I am so sorry this happened to you.

Waitrosedarling · 09/11/2021 13:14

OP I thought you was one of my family members when I was reading this. The exact same thing happened to her and sibling.

When his body was removed from the house her brother came in that day and removed all my uncles financial papers.

Step mum claimed their was no will and he was in debt ( which is bull shit ) She didnt even pay for his funeral even though she took it over. She also took to calling him a nickname none of us had ever heard during his eulogy. We have a family plot and all family ashes are placed there, she took half of his ashes and spread them over a local beauty spot none of us knew about - she was going to put all of the ashes there. His mother ( my granny) was heartbroken and this only was found out when a conversation was overheard by one of her family members.

She then spent the next 12 months holidaying in Goa, Thailand, Spain.

This was a women who had given up work when she met him and swore blind there was no insurance or will and he was in debt.

She then sold the house - the house my uncle paid for with his late wife. She bought a apartment for herself and one for her dd.

My family member was ill with their mental health for quite a while as it consumed them.

My family member was given legal advice but they basically said there was nothing they could do as the estate wasn't big enough.

I haven't got any advice other than I know how you must be feeling right now - its awful Flowers

ufucoffee · 09/11/2021 13:20

Nothing you can do. It's up to him if he wants to leave everything to someone else. No one is entitled to an inheritance no matter how much it would make your sisters life easier.

ChicCroissant · 09/11/2021 13:21

Sorry to hear this, OP. It does sound as if what has happened was your father's wishes as he had said he'd changed his mind to you and his friend. I appreciate that you are also looking out for your mother in this situation, but your father has remarried twice since then so it's entirely down to him what happens to everything and it's all down to him - not his wife.

MrsColon · 09/11/2021 13:22

How much is the estate worth? If more than £270k then you and your sibling are entitled to half of everything over that amount.

MrsColon · 09/11/2021 13:22

(Assuming you're in England)

CSJobseeker · 09/11/2021 13:25

He lied to you, to your granny, and to your whole family. He's behaved appallingly.

Tbh, I'd be questioning whether he deserves to have his ashes buried with your mum's in the first place. He went against everything she would have wanted for her children.

Floundery · 09/11/2021 13:27

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KaycePollard · 09/11/2021 13:30

Ugh. The selfishness of men to be so arrogant that they think they don’t need to make appropriate arrangements for their families. And that they assume everything should be theirs by right. Your mother’s estate and your grandmother’s - all taken but not cared for by your father.

So sorry about this @user1493035447 First for the loss of your father, but compounded by what sounds like a sense of betrayal of you by him.

Nocutenamesleft · 09/11/2021 13:31

Oh man this is my worst nightmare

My mum and dad divorced many years ago. My mum and dad are the best of friends. When they divorced the deal was everything was left to me and my mum would take nothing now

My father promised me he’d never remarry. He remarried some psycho woman who told me my dad never wanted me nor that he ever loved me.

He said he would t change the will

Fast forward. He changed the will. But apparently I’m protected

I will see it when I believe it. But I’m with you. I’m frightened so bad. I won’t fight for it. But I’m sad that some memory things will be lost.