To be really sick of people blaming Labour for the Tories

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WTAF? It's a Tory government doing this stuff, yet rather than try voting for someone else, people are tripping over themselves to bleat on about weak leader, lack of opposition etc
If a "strong leader" is some twat like Boris then I won't be able to vote Labour. For now and in the last few elections, I haven't needed some Boris-alike twat at the helm to convince me to Labour, nor should anyone else.

Fair enough if you are an actual Tory and would vote for a dead horse with a blue rosette but anyone who is a floating voter - how much more shit do the Tories need to be for you to stop blaming Labour for them?

@donquixotedelamancha

I have never seen anyone blame Labour for Tory policies. I have seen lots of people point out why Labour are doing so badly.

I'm tired of hearing "but Labour...". If you voted for Boris Johnson's Conservative party, own it.

Many of us didn't, but didn't vote Labour.

Fair enough if you are an actual Tory

It's fair enough whoever people voted for, whatever their reason. These constant threads complaining people vote the wrong way are silly. If you want to persuade people then focus on positive attempts to explain why Labour's policies are better.

Does anyone know any Labour policies we could do that for?

Fair points - I was referring the narrative I've seen where people say they would be prepared to support Labour except...... I am a floating voter in the sense that I've voted Green, Lib Dem and Labour at various points, but I cannot imagine ever voting Tory. I agree it's very poor strategy to say "vote for us - we know we're shit, but at least we aren't as shit as the other lot". On the other hand, if the only thing that will make people who would otherwise have voted Tory vote Labour is more Tory style policies - then there's no real point in Labour anyway - might as well just have the real thing.

With that said I cannot imagine (and I accept this is on me) how anyone could float between a Labour and Tory vote - they seem to be (and surely should be) founded on entirely different ideals?

YANBU

What about the 30% of the eligible population who couldn't be arsed to vote, is it not on them too?

No, its on the people who made the decision that this total disgrace of a government were fit to run and represent our country.

Everyone has the right to vote for whomever they think will successfully run this country.

But they then have to accept responsibility when it turns into a circus they were warned about.

They then do not get to blame anyone else for that vote.
Its 100% on them

If "we" think the 30% may have voted Labour then yes, it is down to the Labour campaign that they didn't find a way to get them to vote.

I'm very much a floating voter and loathe Johnson but still won't vote Labour. I'm politically homeless at the moment and desperate for a credible party to vote for. The whole bloody lot of them are a shower

@Spiceup

If "we" think the 30% may have voted Labour then yes, it is down to the Labour campaign that they didn't find a way to get them to vote.

What is? Are you blaming Labour for the fact you and other idiots voted for Boris and his dodgy team of Tories?

@readwhatiactuallysay

What about the 30% of the eligible population who couldn't be arsed to vote, is it not on them too?

No, its on the people who made the decision that this total disgrace of a government were fit to run and represent our country.

We can't know the reasons why people don't bother to vote - perhaps if we added a category for "no option I can support" it might be instructive. Also aside from the ridiculous FPTP voting system, our archaic process of paper and pencils is a bit crappy. Maybe modernising it would encourage greater participation.

I'm a Labour voter, but I am very disappointed wih Labour and the campaigns they have run of late. Boris is corrupt and incompetent and sill more popular than anything Labour can manage. Labour must surely be able to do better than that? It's their actual job to do better than that.

@Justcallmebebes

I'm very much a floating voter and loathe Johnson but still won't vote Labour. I'm politically homeless at the moment and desperate for a credible party to vote for. The whole bloody lot of them are a shower

This is interesting - would you/have you ever voted Labour? What would convince you to vote Labour?

What is? Are you blaming Labour for the fact you and other idiots voted for Boris and his dodgy team of Tories?

Responses like this do the heavy lifting for Tories. How is the Labour party going to reclaim lost voters when its supporters alienate them like this every day?

One of the main reasons why we have now had 11.5 years of Tory led government is that Labour has completely failed to provide a credible, electable alternative. Voting for Corbyn to be leader was a deliberate act of political self-harm and the party got exactly what it deserved in 2019.

I want Labour to be better. I want the party to be electable. I want it to go back to representing the economic interests of ordinary working people, not the ideological obsessions of a tiny, unrepresentative left-wing metropolitan sect. I want the party to end its fixation with toxic, divisive identity politics. I want to be able to vote for them again.

@Nappyvalley15

I think you are relying on a hatred of the Tories to propel Labour to power and that is part of the problem. Labour have to look at how to attract voters and they just don't seem interested in doing that beyond a few narrow groups.

This. Exactly this. I didn’t vote Tory last time (I voted Lib Dem as at least my local candidate seemed sensible if unlikely to get in though I consistently have voted Tory at every other time) but really struggle to see how I could possibly vote Labour. Kind of irrelevant for me though as labour tend to come in a distant third here.

I was referring the narrative I've seen where people say they would be prepared to support Labour except......

But that's a perfectly reasonable view. I really want to be able to vote Labour.

My problem is that they support policies which I am strongly opposed to, have no clear policies which I can see having a positive effect and look completely incompetent.

There are some Tory MPs I would vote for (my one is awful). There are some Labour MPs I'd vote for anyone to get them out. I can see why some people feel Tory is the least worst option.

I don't give a shit who's "fault" it is. To me that's the wrong question.

I did vote Labour last time, but it was a definite anti Johnson vote rather than pro Labour. I did not like Corbyn or his policies.

They weren't serious about claiming the middle ground last time and there needs to be more credibility if they are to get anywhere near 1997.

The 'Tory Scum' comment from Angela Rayner the other week was juvenile and embarrassing.

I have previously always voted Labour or Green until this last election when I spoiled my balot due both parties being fully on twaw. I will never vote for a party that wants to strip me and my sex of our rights freedoms and safeguards.
Yes the Torys are shit and boris should be in jail but I tell you what they know what a woman is and are the only party that atleast seems to be actively protecting and reinforcing womens rights!
Unless Labour, the Liberal Democrats or Greens drop all forms of identity politics and have a massive purge of all the woke bros and handmaidens I will be voting Tory for the 1st time in my life at the next election

Labour as we knew it is dead and buried. Real labour would have given Boris a run for his money but this lot? They think gender politics ARE politics. Not wages. Not unemployment. Not education or health. They don't want to talk to their heartland voters. They have demonstrated contempt for them while they get on with infighting about gender. How did it come to this?They appear to believe that s woman is created by a man just by saying acra-cadabra so they have no respect for women either . I' LL long remember Starmer as the PM who thought it was wrong to say that only women have a cervix. And you surely realise that if labour gets in they will force the whole insane ideology on us.
Boris ain't much but he's better than that.

@Hoardasurass

I have previously always voted Labour or Green until this last election when I spoiled my balot due both parties being fully on twaw. I will never vote for a party that wants to strip me and my sex of our rights freedoms and safeguards. Yes the Torys are shit and boris should be in jail but I tell you what they know what a woman is and are the only party that atleast seems to be actively protecting and reinforcing womens rights! Unless Labour, the Liberal Democrats or Greens drop all forms of identity politics and have a massive purge of all the woke bros and handmaidens I will be voting Tory for the 1st time in my life at the next election

And another one here. I held my nose and voted Labour at the last general election, despite my misgivings on their identity politics obsession. I've generally always voted Labour at GE. They have hardened into such an extreme misogynistic TWAW stance since then I will in no way vote for them again unless they change their stance at commit to protecting women's rights. And there's loads of us feel like this. Of course David Lammy called us dinosaurs and Lisa Nandy wants male bodied rapists incarcerated with women, so let's say I am not holding my breath.

Have always voted Labour or LD in the past, but their authoritarian stance on identity politics is not something I'm willing to support.

I will vote Tory in the next election unless one of the major left-wing parties can grow up and stop pandering to the Twitter mob.

Numerous Labour MPs have supporters have made it clear they're not interested in getting votes from people who don't agree with them on things like self ID, so they can fuck off and I'll give my vote to someone who actually wants it. If that's the Tories, then I guess I'll be voting Tory for the first time ever.

What would convince you to vote Labour?

They'd have to accept that only women have a cervices for starters.

YANBU.

It would be difficult for Tories to be any worse than they are, yet the Labour are unelectable because they are not perfect.

I loved Corbyn btw, and unlike the PP who can’t spell his name didn’t think he was an antisemitic terrorist but that he was a decent hard left politican who had had the same view for decades and wasn’t in politics to get rich, unlike the whole of the Conservative party.

I quite like Starmer too.

I could vote for a new labour Blair type candidate, depending on the conservative offering. I can’t vote Corbyn grade left though and pretend it would be better for the nation. Labour seem to be torn between becoming a centre to centre right offering or hard left. Unfortunately the hard left lot won’t vote for the former and those at home in the centre won’t vote hard left.

The conservatives won by default for being the only party left with a recognisable agenda, free market economics (extending everywhere)

@EatYourVegetables

YANBU.

It would be difficult for Tories to be any worse than they are, yet the Labour are unelectable because they are not perfect.

I loved Corbyn btw, and unlike the PP who can’t spell his name didn’t think he was an antisemitic terrorist but that he was a decent hard left politican who had had the same view for decades and wasn’t in politics to get rich, unlike the whole of the Conservative party.

I quite like Starmer too.

I agree about Corbin. As to him talking to the IRA - he was doing it at the same time Thatcher was. The difference being Thatcher lying about it claiming “we do not talk to terrorists”. I can’t believe the moral panic about the vaguely left leaning policies either - it was all costed stuff that wouldn’t be out of place in many other European countries but thanks to our right press it had people screaming communist and running away.

Bah! Corbyn WTF autocorrect?