It is not people!! It's men!!

[Bonsaibreaker]

Arguing with a male friend who feels men are just as vulnerable as women when it comes to date rape and the new injection of drugs.

I am so annoyed I have walked away. Hes a twat but I need a decent argument as most men are stupid. Not all men but most.

Yabu he's right men are as vulnerable as women.

YANBU kick him in the nuts.

I have similar arguments at work that statistically more men are murdered and men can also be raped

I work in a secure setting with ex offenders (male) some are sex offenders

It’s colleagues I have this heated discussion with

Arguing with a male friend who feels men are just as vulnerable as women when it comes to date rape and the new injection of drugs.*

I agree with him however woman are statistically more likely to be date raped than men, however anyone who is drugged is vulnerable.

How many violent attacks and sexual assaults on women are there? www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-56365412

Tell your friend he's stupid. And get new friends.

Regardless of who is most vulnerable, it's pretty much always MEN who are doing the raping. 🙄

Both are raped, both are murdered, but it's rare that women do either

Well it's not a competition is it? 🙄

As @HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend says, women are statistically more likely to be victims but anyone who is drugged by a rapist is vulnerable to rape.

So yes of course they're just as vulnerable as women.

Some poor bloke was interviewed the other day and he'd woken up after a night out, in hospital having been anally gang raped after being drugged in a nightclub.

YABVU to declare that "most men are stupid" for a start.

“Most men are stupid”

Why undermine an argument in which you’re almost certainly right with this kind of nonsense?

There may be a valid argument that more men are murdered. By men, usually. Women murderers are sensationalised by the press when it occurs precisely because it is relatively unusual compared to men. We are traditionally supposed to be the “gentler sex”.

It depends on what type of violence/murders/rapes you’re discussing though. Total numbers, domestic violence, stranger murders, gang related incidents, etc. I suspect the rates of male vs female murders are significantly different in each group, also in different areas of the country, different countries, in different socioeconomic groups, ethnic groups… there are many different factors that may affect it, not just sex/gender.

Do people just not understand statistics?

YANBU, OP. Fucking NAMALT and #MenToo

@Arbitan

“Most men are stupid”

Why undermine an argument in which you’re almost certainly right with this kind of nonsense?

Exactly, it's like the OP is 10 years old and declaring 'Boys smell' 😳

@WorraLiberty

Well it's not a competition is it? 🙄

As @HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend says, women are statistically more likely to be victims but anyone who is drugged by a rapist is vulnerable to rape.

So yes of course they're just as vulnerable as women.

Some poor bloke was interviewed the other day and he'd woken up after a night out, in hospital having been anally gang raped after being drugged in a nightclub.

But they're not. Women are 5 times as likely to be victims of sexual violence than men. Most men are heterosexual

I wouldn't kick him in the nuts! Proves his point a bit!

Men who do this never are actually interested in a discussion. They just enjoy winding women up. In my looong experience...

My FIRST question though would be.

Yes of course men get raped as well.

You assume he's talking about being raped by other men. (No? Why aren't you concerned about that? Etc).

He seems concerned so what in his view are the main issues? How can situation be improved? There are charities specifically for male victims of rape- has he considered / is he supporting? Maybe volunteer? Etc etc.

None of the men who ever come out with this (again IME) care about men/ boys being victims of sex offences at all. They just enjoy winding women up about men raping us...

More men are heterosexual than gay so rapists are far more likely to target women. Men are far more likely to be physically stronger than women and girls and only men can commit rape. He doesn’t sound very logical so getting into an argument with him will probably be pointless and quite painful op.

Women are at risk from men. Men are at risk from men. There's a common denominator there somewhere.

Sadly, women are most at risk from those they are in a relationship with rather than strangers. Sexual coercion is rife in relationships and viewed as normal by many. Me too until I came on here and realised that it's not ok for men to expect sex and do whatever they can to get you to give in just to shut them up.

Get new friends. Anyone who downplays sexual violence against women shouldn't be given the time of day.

But they're not. Women are 5 times as likely to be victims of sexual violence than men. Most men are heterosexual

That doesn't make them any less vulnerable when drugged, does it?

Less likely to be drugged - yes.

Less vulnerable - no.

Try telling that to reynhard sinaga‘s 156 confirmed (male) victims. Women are statistically more likely to be sexually assaulted by a man but that doesn’t make men any less vulnerable

@HailAdrian

Regardless of who is most vulnerable, it's pretty much always MEN who are doing the raping. 🙄

rape is using a penis to penetrate without consent. so yeah, only men can rape as per the criminal definition (as far as I understand it)

penetration by any other means (finger, objects) are not classified as rape but sexual assault

The most prolific rapist in UK history that we know of drugged and raped men.

There are things to be done around under reporting, police homophobia etc.

I'll eat my hat though if bloke OP is talking to actually gives a shit about it though.

If he does then great- he and OP can have a convo about the issues with male on male sexual violence.

He won't though. He's just enjoying arguing with her about a topic he knows is really emotive for her.

@AnotherMansCause

There may be a valid argument that more men are murdered. By men, usually. Women murderers are sensationalised by the press when it occurs precisely because it is relatively unusual compared to men. We are traditionally supposed to be the “gentler sex”.

It depends on what type of violence/murders/rapes you’re discussing though. Total numbers, domestic violence, stranger murders, gang related incidents, etc. I suspect the rates of male vs female murders are significantly different in each group, also in different areas of the country, different countries, in different socioeconomic groups, ethnic groups… there are many different factors that may affect it, not just sex/gender.

You're right, for the stats in this country at least, it goes: far more men are murdered than women overall. Of those, the large majority are murdered by acquaintances or complete strangers, almost never by family or spouse. For women it is the complete opposite - almost always murdered by spouse or family member, almost never by someone they don't know.

Men are not as vulnerable as women

Far far more women (and girls) are victims of male violence than men are either from men or women

Women are more vulnerable as we are physically not as able to defend ourselves so easier to target along with many men only viewing women as sexual beings

The reason why there is more men murdered is down to male on male violence often they are involved (gang/fights)

Oh and in Europe, the vast majority of rapists are known to the victim - in some countries it is different.

If a sm chat OP then you can ask for his views on this case

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-55276209

And this one

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-59080122

It would be great if he does because it makes me so angry when you get this sort of stuff from a man. And like I say I've never met one who even had the slightest interest or concern in the male victims they raise.