It is not people!! It's men!!

[Bonsaibreaker]

Arguing with a male friend who feels men are just as vulnerable as women when it comes to date rape and the new injection of drugs.

I am so annoyed I have walked away. Hes a twat but I need a decent argument as most men are stupid. Not all men but most.

Yabu he's right men are as vulnerable as women.

YANBU kick him in the nuts.

Non consensual! Obviously. Sorry.

I'd like to say I find the repeated use of the phrase 'arse rape' by one poster really grim.

Do women talk about cunt rape? Or arse rape? No we fucking don't. It's crass.

Would that be a sensitive thing for male rape victims to hear or read? No.

That wording esp in the context of the poster saying if I was raped by another man is really unpleasant to read.

That bloke thinks that men being raped is clearly much worse than women being raped. He is insinuating that women should know what he’s getting at as we have holes purpose-built for rape anyway. He seems to believe that the trauma a man would feel afterwards would be much worse than any a woman could possibly experience. I guess his idea of “Arse Rape” is the rape equivalent to Manflu.

Sadly I often hear men and women claim that a man being raped is more humiliating

@Onlinedilema

Thedancingbear can I ask, do you always drive or get a taxi if you are alone at night or in a strange or slightly rough area? Did you make sure you only ever walk along well lit, main roads, even if it means adding time into your journey. Do you avoid places where groups of females are? Or makes are? Are there pubs for example where you would never, ever go in just from 'a bit feeling'? Do you make sure you son never, ever walks anywhere alone? Do you walk with your car keys between your fingers ready to use as a weapon? I could go on but this is stuff all women consider doing. That is down to make violence nothing else. If you don't have to do all of this then you are putting yourself out there in a way that women just don't. Once again, if women walked around like men do they would be attacked far, far more. It must be frustrating for decent men, I know dh gets annoyed when I slate men but seriously he has never had the shit that I have had to tolerate.

I think @thedancingbear is very right to highlight that men make other men scared, they do.

I say this because I know young boys, teenagers and early 20s, who don't leave their houses, some don't even want to go to school through fear of bumping into other boys (often groups or what people would refer to as 'gangs' though they likely aren't organised in that way). Tis is very much the case in big cities. I have boys and young men like that I my family.

they just stay home, playing play station or whatever and avoid being outside at all.

It is sad, but it is also true.

So there is likely a social class aspect to this too. I read in the guardian today that poorer areas in the UK are least likely to have youth activities etc on. Kids are roaming the streets, and that can be very scary for young men who might be the target of these groups of boys in ways that girls might not be.

*Hes a twat

most men are stupid
*
kick him in the nuts.

You lost me at these statements.

"Most men are stupid".

With comments like that you don't sound particularly intelligent.

Despite all the evidence to the contrary, and the premise seeming to be completely batshit, people are still somehow believing men are putting themselves out with needles and syringes and sneaking them into clubs, rubbing victims with James Bond style numbing wipes and jabbing them with drugs. Something which seems to have suddenly started to happen overnight across the whole country.

These young people have had about 18 months of club closures. They haven't been partying and they don't know their limits. They're going out, drinking too much, whiting out and are assuming, because of all the hysteria, that they've been spiked because they are far too smart to have just had too much to drink, like everyone before them. There must be another explanation.

I agree there are young women being spiked in clubs, it's always been a problem but I don't think there's been an explosion in this and I feel it's rare. Men do get spiked too, and more often than you would think. But the difference is men aren't generally spiked in order to be sexually assaulted.

@DickMabutt73962

But I won't be tarred by the same fucking brush as these people. I can completely understand why women distrust men, why they may want to lash out at any man who comes into view. But it fixes nothing because it doesn't reflect the true character of male violence.

That's a lot of words for 'NOT ALL MEN 😭😭😭😭😭'

💯 agree, it’s NAMALTing. I’m not buying any of it.

Anyone can be vulnerable. Men are probably better at hiding it- perhaps something has happened to him and his twat behaviour is to cover it.

Men women from child to elderly can be (are) vulnerable at various points in life or all through life.

Basic advice is good for both and applies to both- and I think we're talking teens/ young adults on this thread.

Stuff like-
Don't get so pissed/ drugged you don't know what's going on/ can't walk etc
Don't leave friends by themselves, as a group keep an eye on friends
Don't wander around on the streets when you're smashed
Don't go off by yourself with groups you just met
Don't wave cash/ expensive stuff about
Use cloakroom if there is one
Etc etc etc.

Given that there are risks across the board. And putting to one side the types/ reporting levels etc.

Shouldn't all young people get the same message?

And maybe ones about what to do if you see something that really worries you..?
(I mean I have never known that tbh it would mean various orgs reacting so.. no idea).

Why is the focus on 'keeping safe' so massively skewed towards women. And nights out. And stranger sex offenders?

That's one little segment. But it gets most of the attention.

What about men and male sex offenders?

What about theft, mugging, fights? Dangerous levels of booze?

I mean I know what I think.

But what do others think?

Some men are bad...some women are bad....some people are bad...

Nicegerbil because makes don't like having their freedom curtailed.
The posters saying the male children have been attacked have still let them wander around without adult supervision. A teenager is still not an adult yet they have not had their freedom curtailed in the same way that female children do.
My mum is afraid to go out alone, anywhere.
It's sickening that anyone has to think twice about going out it really is.