to smirk about Ulrika Johnson's predicament

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OK I probably am being horrible but I couldn't help but laugh hearing that people are calling Ulrika Johnson 4 X 4 - aparently it has really upset her.

jagger has 7 children (that we know about)

Mick Jagger has seven children by four mothers, by the way

Karis (with Marsha Hunt)
Jade (with Bianca Jagger)
Elizabeth (with Jerry Hall)
James (With Jerry Hall)
Georgia (with Jerry Hall)
Gabriel (with Jerry Hall)
Lucas (with Luciana Gimenez Morad)

Hmm

A 7 x 4

yankey that is a very good point.

Anyone who uses put downs like that, is also putting down the children. So ha fucking ha, that's hysterically funny, upsetting 7 year olds and adding to the climate of letting them know they're not as good as other kids.

Why any adult would want to do that, is really, really beyond me.

Well it will be interesting then to see if UJ cares enough about her children to keep her mouth shut in the future then. Or will the lure of the pound be too much and she will put them in the firing line of opinion again by doing interviews and pics with new baby/partner?

firing line -or funding?

So because she is "funding" her children's school fees then you feel opening up their lives to public opinion is ok?
Whereas if she was using the money for a holiday for e.g. that wouldnt be?

"I also hate the way she gets criticised for being hit and raped. But that's incredibly common I think. A woman comes out and says she was hit or attacked by someone she was in a relationship with, and she gets really vicious attacks made on her character. It's like Saudi Arabia sometimes - flog the rape victim because she's a WHORE!"

Well said Dara. Attacking the victim is a common response to women who have been hurt by men. It's a really nasty response.

UniversallyChallenged she might be in the firing line but nobody is forcing you to pull the trigger. That's your choice and anybody else who sniggers at her being called 4x4 or whatever.

well I'm sure she'd rather fund her children's education by presenting a wonderful TV show but there are two problems there. One, it would take her away from her children most of the time [would she then also be a bad mother?] and two, as beautiful women get older on TV they tend to not get employed so much, as opposed to the opposite happening to men. Funny that. So of course she is going to look after her children as generously as she can, and if that means giving the media what they want, then good on her.

Well said ruty!

FFS how nasty

i'm a 2x2

didn't set out to be

these things just happen

So you can have an opinion that what she does is ok, but I cant have one that there is no such thing as a free dinner? If she talks about her family then why cant others?

What you are basically saying is that it's ok for her to prositute herself to the highest bidder for her children's monetry welfare and we must all keep shtum about it.
And Elizabethh, you've got the wrong person. I have never said about the 4 x 4 comment bei

(opps) being funny, I meant to say

(opps) being funny, I meant to say

'prostitute' herself ??

gosh how truly horrid

why "horrid"? I am not using it in the sexual meaning, I am saying she has sold her personal family situation for money.

Lots of people if they wanted to protect their children from people knowing their mother's personal life would sell their xmillion pound house and downsize. a lot of us do that to make things easier, she has chosen to go another way which attracts opinions. she is a bright lady, she knows the way these things work

I personally dont like UJ. not sure why, I've never been able to put my finger on it, but I've never liked her. By that I mean what i've seen of her. The image she has portrayed of herself, clearly, I dont actually know her.

I'm not sure why > this is seen as being so nasty, taken on its own, without the article I assume it came from. ( not read it, this is the first i've seen of it. )

I mean, its a fact is it not? She has had 4 children BY 4 partners. therefore, 4x4 is correct... the "statement" is not saying she is a slag, its not being judgmental its just saying the truth in what's meant to be a slightly amusing way...

Like I say, i've not read the paper/article about it. I'm just separating the 4x4 bit from the rest of it. Some people may find it amusing, some wont. Clearly, if the rest of the article IS commenting on her unfortunate relationship history, then id understand totally why anyone would be annoyed, upset etc by it, but as a standalone comment, I cant see what the problem is.

"What you are basically saying is that it's ok for her to prositute herself to the highest bidder for her children's monetry welfare and we must all keep shtum about it.
And Elizabethh, you've got the wrong person. I have never said about the 4 x 4 comment bei"

Yeah calling her a prostitute is so much better.

Do you take any responsibility for these nasty sexist things you are saying? You don't need to be like that, you could just ignore her. She's not actually hurting you. Why be so vicious?

please quote what i have said that is untrue Elizabethh

She does interviews. I have never seen her reveal any more details of her children's lives that are any more intrusive than any other famous person. She hardly talks about them at all. Brad Pitt was talking about his family the other day, everyone does. They say nice things say nice things about their kids in interviews. I remember she spoke about HER feelings about her daughter Bo's heart operation and how difficult it was for all of them. Is that so terrible? She is the patron of a charity for children with heart problems.
So that makes it OK to sneer at her for - what? - having sex? Having four children? For being twice divorced? The world is full of people who have been divorced twice. And people like Bruce Forsyth. Divorced three times. Kids with four different mothers - and he didn't bring up the kids either.
She sounds a very loving mother. Never smacks her children, breastfed them, stayed at home with them, nursed one of them through a life-threatening illness. I think she has done amazingly well actually, especially considering that she was abandoned by her own mother as a little girl.
I bet her kids are all very glad they were born and that she is their mother.

I think it's quite interesting that neither of her ex-husbands have said anything nasty about her.

Go Dara, I agree with you. And Elizabetth.

SHE has decided to talk about her family for money, that's up to her

She must then take the comeback from that. Why is it horrid and vicious to state that?

"please quote what i have said that is untrue Elizabethh"

Well she's not a prostitute for starters. And when "truth" is used as a guise for being spiteful and vicious it's not really worth aspiring to.

Universally, for all the reasons already stated. Because there is nothing intrinsically WRONG with having four children. Or by four different partners. Or, if there is, by some people;s standards, then why don't Mick Jagger or any numbver of celbrity men get called names for it?

UJ hasn't hurt anyone
appears to be a decent mother

yet people think it ok to slag her off purely because of the number of children and partners she's had. What's it to any of us? She's done nothing wrong!

dara I actually agree with most of what you say - what I am saying is that if she didnt talk to the mags in the first place and tell us her personal life then we wouldnt know it.