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Suspicious behaviour

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PuzzlingPieces · 27/10/2021 15:01

Have toyed with posting this but here goes.

Recently, it has emerged that my DH has been accused of going through the underwear of a close female relative on two separate occasions when alone in their house. I knew absolutely nothing of this until family members accused DH directly of having a fetish. It has all come out since and I am devastated.

Context - the female family member is very particular about her belongings and refers to herself as OCD. The situation was presented to me as the female family member noticed on a recent visit after we had popped out for few hours leaving DH behind - that her underwear had moved. She found this odd but thought it could have been me or DC so tried to put out of mind.

On a further occasion a few weeks later the same thing happened - this time of an evening when DC in bed and everyone else out. She was obviously "looking" for this and feeling suspicious by this point.

In her mind there is/was no doubt that the belongings have moved as she is so particular. She doesn't leave her stuff around, ever, and the drawers are on the far side of the bedroom.

DH tells me that on first occasion, toddler age DC appeared with item earlier in day and he panicked, put it aside and then replaced it in the drawer when everyone was out so as not to look weird or draw attention to it.

On second occasion, he found a bra on the landing under our bedding (I know our bedding was on the landing) and panicked about this looking terrible especially after the first misunderstanding, so went to return it. Upon doing so he noticed just how organised the drawer was (hadn't done so on the first occasion due to speed) and panicked further so tried to "make" things look neat.

Family member referred to her drawer as a "total mess" after second occasion. Refutes the idea that DC could have obtained the item because the "nature" of the underwear was that it was at the back of the drawer not for day to day wear and child could not reach.

The landing where the bedding was is near to the laundry basket but I am told that the family member knows where her belongings are at all times (especially this one) and she is absolutely adamant it was removed from her drawer.

Family accused husband of the worst without explaining anything to me first. DH at first vehemently denied anything before later confessing that this was down to misunderstandings and gross oversteps of privacy, but not anything deviant as they suspect.

Family have now left me to it and say they will support my decision. I honestly don't know what to do or think. I am in total and utter shock. No previous indication of any inappropriate behaviour or fetish/sexual issues albeit my DH is someone that can have the odd social "clanger" so to speak.

We are happily married and I love my husband. I also love my family and don't think they have motive to lie and just want to protect me. They are willing to draw a line if I ask for that (easier said than done given how this was all explosively accused but that's a secondary issue until I can get this rationalised in my head!).

What would you believe / do?

And secondly, would you feel it reasonable to request a lie detector test in these circumstances? If a misunderstanding, very prepared to move on although very let down and devastated nonetheless. If the motive is something else (even just nosiness rather than anything more dreadful), what should I do? Appreciate in a marriage this should never be needed but I feel lost.

I want the truth even jf it's worst case scenario. My worst fear is that even if I choose to believe whatever I do, and move on (with help and counselling or whatever that may take) this may always niggle at me. It would also niggle at me if I left my husband, too. Totally lost.

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littleburn · 27/10/2021 20:15

Some of the 'I can't get worked up over this' replies here are really odd! How would you feel if one of your male in-laws was going through your knicker drawer the moment you were out of the house?!

That he did it (twice!) isn't in question - he's admitted it. It's a gross invasion of privacy and his explanations are total BS. Sorry OP but there's clearly a sexual element to this - whether he's wanking off over it or wearing it or whatever.

littleburn · 27/10/2021 20:22

@Naunet

Fascinating to see so many people rush to make nasty comments about the woman involved, based purely on a tiny amount of info on her. She’s “crazy”, jealous, manipulative etc. I guess this is how juries in rape cases work.
Yep! He's admitted to doing it twice, yet it's still somehow the female relative that's at fault.
DuckDuckNo · 27/10/2021 20:26

@Naunet

Fascinating to see so many people rush to make nasty comments about the woman involved, based purely on a tiny amount of info on her. She’s “crazy”, jealous, manipulative etc. I guess this is how juries in rape cases work.
There are plenty of men here these days.
TheGirlCat · 27/10/2021 20:32

@IslaPineappple

Hold on, why would he panic the second time as she hadn't accused him yet?
How about this for a theory (since everyone else is imagining scenarios and theories). He saw the bra, panicked thinking that maybe it fell from her basket and if he just leaves it there, she may think he took it and hid it under the bedding.

In order to save that from happening and the inquisition that would follow when she finds it under his bedding though he didn't put it there, he tries to rectify it by putting it back in her underwear draw before she realises it was even on the landing.

That was the scenario that was in my head at the start of this thread, but I didn't know how to explain it.
He sees it, is afraid he will be accused again, so tries to rectify it by putting it where he thinks it goes, in her underwear draw. He may have been better leaving it where he found it, BUT, whose to say she wouldn't have accused him of taking it and leaving it on the landing, anyway?

LadyTiredWinterBottom2 · 27/10/2021 20:35

I think the key for me would be if there is any inkling of him doing this previously, or any other behaviour that may be unwelcome or make someone feel uncomfortable.

If this was my DH l would probably move on from it. I know he has condemned poor behaviour from other males and male friends in relation to females e.g saying that is being a sex pest etc. But if he was a but handsy or said inappropriate things or had other fetishism l would be less inclined to believe him. Once you decide, you then need to decide if you can carry on living with him.

It's an odd one that's for sure. How likely is it that DC came down with some underwear? How would he know where to put it back? He could have just left it somewhere.

oakleaffy · 27/10/2021 21:11

I’d say your husband probably does have an underwear fetish.
It is commoner than you think..
There’s nothing wrong with a knicker fetish, but the way he has gone about it is not right .
Also why isn’t it YOUR underwear he is fantasising over?
It’s all get overable IF. He is open and honest with you.

CovoidOfAllHumanity · 27/10/2021 21:21

His explanations would only be believable in some Noel Coward farce or TV sitcom.

I am just trying to imagine any circumstance in which my DH would go rummaging in my Dsis underwear drawer or her DH go rummaging in mine and I can't at all. It just would not happen. They would not break that taboo.

If a toddler was caught with someone's undies we'd all have a laugh about it but none of the men would go in a female relatives underwear drawer to put them away. They just would not do that. It's universally known that's a creepy weird thing that no decent man would ever do.

My dsis had a guy at uni steal her knickers from her underwear drawer. He was just a guy in her class that she had no romantic interest in and one day he came over unexpectedly to ask about the work they'd been set or something and went to the toilet whilst he was there. After he left she later found that her underwear drawer had been gone through and some of her knickers were missing. She reported it but he denied and it could not be proved. Some men do have this fetish.

Does your DH especially like underwear? Does he especially like your relative??

Terfydactyl · 27/10/2021 21:41

Not necessarily. I mean going through anyone’s belongings without permission 100% plain wrong. But he might have gender identity issues. It can happen later on in life

It happens very very often in later life, only in men tho.
But that doesn't mean he has to use other womens underwear, he can buy his own.

Blue4YOU · 27/10/2021 22:15

As if gender identity issues made this even vaguely palatable

Chimley · 27/10/2021 22:31

Lie detectors really aren't scientifically robust. And actually this is about trust rather than proving beyond reasonable doubt. If it's plausible that both are right then I would go with that. She has projected motivation and he has denied that motivation. The incidences occurred but it's the why that's being questioned. I would draw the line under it and talk to DH about being completely open when he makes a mistake as hiding it makes him look even more guilty.

Aquamarine1029 · 27/10/2021 23:21

If a toddler was caught with someone's undies we'd all have a laugh about it but none of the men would go in a female relatives underwear drawer to put them away. They just would not do that. It's universally known that's a creepy weird thing that no decent man would ever do.

I agree completely. It's deviant, plain and simple. My husband wouldn't even dream of going into someone else's bedroom, never mind their drawers.

Blue4YOU · 27/10/2021 23:30

I’m loving that the DH originally vehemently denied everything but then suddenly “confessed” (OP’s words) to the story re the DC.
Read the OP!!
This is a journo or it’s someone who is so determined to sweep carpets under carpets she’s lost the plot

CovoidOfAllHumanity · 27/10/2021 23:36

My uni boyfriend was from a very large Catholic family and his youngest sister was still at preschool when we were at uni

She once came wandering into the living room, where I was making polite conversation with his parents, waving a packet of condoms she had got out of my suitcase in my room (she was a bit of a precocious madam who would often go through my stuff). She thought they were balloons and asked boyfriend to blow one up for her Blush Boyfriend snatched them off her and told her they were a pair of tights! No-one was fooled but we all pretended that's what they were. I wanted the floor to open up and swallow me.

So I guess a toddler might possibly take an embarrassing underwear item out of a drawer but still it beggars belief for me that a) they would do it without strewing everything else all around the floor and b) that any man would seriously think it a great option to go and put it back himself rather than just popping it out of sight and apologising.

GertietheGherkin · 28/10/2021 00:34

I would be fuming that he had the nerve to insult my intelligence with his lies!

He's caused a very awkward, and untrustworthy situation with your family. I'd be sitting him down, and getting truth. You then have the opportunity to make informed choices/ decisions as to how you wish to proceed.

Saoirse82 · 28/10/2021 01:34

To the posters who believe the husband, you must be a bloody gullible bunch!
I'm not talking about you OP, it's very difficult to see things objectively when it's your husband and the man you love and trust. I'm trying to put myself in your shoes and I would find it hard to believe that my husband had done this but his explanations make no sense and are way too far fetched unfortunately. I think you probably know deep in your gut that he's lying but uts difficult to come to terms with. I really feel for you, it sounds like an awful situation

Derbee · 28/10/2021 02:18

He’s been in her underwear drawers TWICE. What could you possibly need a lie detector for? He’s admitted it. It’s very very weird behaviour. I wouldn’t be able to get over it I don’t think

1forAll74 · 28/10/2021 02:53

Surely you would know any tendencies of your Husband,regarding female underwear, if you have been with him for years.

Hydrate · 28/10/2021 06:26

Usually when a person is trying to cover something up, they are guilty of something.

Your relatives should have set up a secret cam and said nothing unless they knew 100% for sure, that somebody was up to perviness. Now nobody will ever know for sure.

PlanDeRaccordement · 28/10/2021 06:51

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PlanDeRaccordement · 28/10/2021 06:55

“that any man would seriously think it a great option to go and put it back himself rather than just popping it out of sight and apologising.”

Yes I’m sure female relative would love to have to explain how her underwear got stuffed under a sofa cushion or hidden somewhere in the house to her husband/partner. Sorry, but my initial reaction would be to put the things the toddler had taken back where they belong, not “pop them out of sight” and then embarrass everyone by “apologising” and making a public issue out of it.

Hydrate · 28/10/2021 07:00

Well, he admitted doing it actually, just not the truth of why.

PlanDeRaccordement · 28/10/2021 07:02

@Aquamarine1029

If a toddler was caught with someone's undies we'd all have a laugh about it but none of the men would go in a female relatives underwear drawer to put them away. They just would not do that. It's universally known that's a creepy weird thing that no decent man would ever do.

I agree completely. It's deviant, plain and simple. My husband wouldn't even dream of going into someone else's bedroom, never mind their drawers.

Then do no men put away laundry in your family? We are not talking about strangers or even close friends here, but a family. Why is it ok for me to wash, dry, sort, fold and put away laundry....going into male relatives bedrooms and putting it in their drawers, but not for a man to do essentially the same? Put away underwear where it belongs? I find it very odd this idea that all men cannot ever touch a female relatives clean underwear without it being indecent or creepy. Yet most are happy to hang it outside to dry on full display to a neighbourhood full of strange men? These “rules” seem a double standard and make no sense.
PlanDeRaccordement · 28/10/2021 07:05

@Hydrate

Well, he admitted doing it actually, just not the truth of why.
Yes I know, but his explanations are plausible to me. The paranoia is the wild speculation and accusations that he must be lying and must have slinked into the bedroom to sniff her underwear and then been too stupid to put it back exactly as he found it. And yet everyone is ignoring the fact that people diagnosed with OCD as the female relative is do in fact have paranoia as a symptom and do in fact often accuse relatives of things that they never did....
Rollmopsrule · 28/10/2021 07:12

I think your families reaction and accusations are more concerning. Why didn't the woman have a quiet chat with you about her concerns? Why make it such a drama?

summercupcake · 28/10/2021 07:16

His excuses sound flimsy and weird. He's admitted to being in her underwear drawer (twice!). It's very doubtful his innocent excuses are real, it's just too far fetched.

I understand why you'd want to believe him though. Why you need to believe him.

OP if your DH has a like or fetish for ladies underwear, you would know. You are intimate with him so have an understanding of any special likes or kinks.