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Suspicious behaviour

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PuzzlingPieces · 27/10/2021 15:01

Have toyed with posting this but here goes.

Recently, it has emerged that my DH has been accused of going through the underwear of a close female relative on two separate occasions when alone in their house. I knew absolutely nothing of this until family members accused DH directly of having a fetish. It has all come out since and I am devastated.

Context - the female family member is very particular about her belongings and refers to herself as OCD. The situation was presented to me as the female family member noticed on a recent visit after we had popped out for few hours leaving DH behind - that her underwear had moved. She found this odd but thought it could have been me or DC so tried to put out of mind.

On a further occasion a few weeks later the same thing happened - this time of an evening when DC in bed and everyone else out. She was obviously "looking" for this and feeling suspicious by this point.

In her mind there is/was no doubt that the belongings have moved as she is so particular. She doesn't leave her stuff around, ever, and the drawers are on the far side of the bedroom.

DH tells me that on first occasion, toddler age DC appeared with item earlier in day and he panicked, put it aside and then replaced it in the drawer when everyone was out so as not to look weird or draw attention to it.

On second occasion, he found a bra on the landing under our bedding (I know our bedding was on the landing) and panicked about this looking terrible especially after the first misunderstanding, so went to return it. Upon doing so he noticed just how organised the drawer was (hadn't done so on the first occasion due to speed) and panicked further so tried to "make" things look neat.

Family member referred to her drawer as a "total mess" after second occasion. Refutes the idea that DC could have obtained the item because the "nature" of the underwear was that it was at the back of the drawer not for day to day wear and child could not reach.

The landing where the bedding was is near to the laundry basket but I am told that the family member knows where her belongings are at all times (especially this one) and she is absolutely adamant it was removed from her drawer.

Family accused husband of the worst without explaining anything to me first. DH at first vehemently denied anything before later confessing that this was down to misunderstandings and gross oversteps of privacy, but not anything deviant as they suspect.

Family have now left me to it and say they will support my decision. I honestly don't know what to do or think. I am in total and utter shock. No previous indication of any inappropriate behaviour or fetish/sexual issues albeit my DH is someone that can have the odd social "clanger" so to speak.

We are happily married and I love my husband. I also love my family and don't think they have motive to lie and just want to protect me. They are willing to draw a line if I ask for that (easier said than done given how this was all explosively accused but that's a secondary issue until I can get this rationalised in my head!).

What would you believe / do?

And secondly, would you feel it reasonable to request a lie detector test in these circumstances? If a misunderstanding, very prepared to move on although very let down and devastated nonetheless. If the motive is something else (even just nosiness rather than anything more dreadful), what should I do? Appreciate in a marriage this should never be needed but I feel lost.

I want the truth even jf it's worst case scenario. My worst fear is that even if I choose to believe whatever I do, and move on (with help and counselling or whatever that may take) this may always niggle at me. It would also niggle at me if I left my husband, too. Totally lost.

OP posts:
Lotusmonster · 27/10/2021 19:02

It might not be devious or fetish. Your DH might be struggling with gender identity issues? Have are you considered or asked him about this? A few years back I had a friend whose husband of 15 years declared he wanted to be female, they had two kids. It happens.

To be honest I’m not really sure what your family are expecting to come out of this incident. Clearly if something is going on you have to investigate yourself within the marriage whether not you do anything about it it’s up to you. I wouldn’t feel any need to somehow report back to them with your findings or conclusions.

Walkingalot · 27/10/2021 19:03

If she's OCD and your toddler has a habit of going through drawers or picking things up etc, why hasn't it been mentioned before? Have you noticed this at home? I wouldn't noticed if a hurricane went thro my undies drawer!
Your DH has admitted it was him both times OP. The reasons why may remain a mystery unless he opens up to you. Can you live with that?

NeverChange · 27/10/2021 19:03

I think you need to look at the facts:

  1. Your husband entered a female relative's bedroom twice uninvited (confirmed by him)
  2. He was in her underwear drawer twice without permission (again confirmed by him)
  3. His explanations sound very weak. Even of his stories were true, 99% of people would react differently, leave the underwear where found, mention child found it etc. It is bizarre to think he couldn't find a better course of action on 2 occasions

There is no denial on his part and it's supported by difficult to believe information.

Be honest, even if you found the underwear in the same circumstances she'd is claiming, wouldyou, a female relative, even consider entering her bedroom and putting items back in a drawer without speaking to her?

If you pardon the pun, his story doesn't pass the sniff test!

You need to talk to him again. He would be better of just admitting the real reason and ye could probably move on from it.

Lotusmonster · 27/10/2021 19:04

@Beautiful3

He's obviously rummaged around her underwear drawer twice now. That would make him a sexual creep, and would upset me.
Not necessarily. I mean going through anyone’s belongings without permission 100% plain wrong. But he might have gender identity issues. It can happen later on in life.
Skyla2005 · 27/10/2021 19:05

I'm guessing this close female relative is not overweight and frumpy Hmm

Rightsraptor · 27/10/2021 19:07

Goodness me, your husband 'panics' very easily. What would he do if, say, he were on a sinking liner?

He has clearly been going through this woman's underwear for his own sexual purposes. Up to you how you deal with that but at least look it in the face.

For what it's worth, I always lock my underwear and nightwear in a suitcase if I have to leave workmen/tradesmen in my house alone. I wouldn't have thought of it for a male relative but now ...?

CambsAlways · 27/10/2021 19:08

Nah wouldn’t believe anything he said, warning signs something not adding up

TheNarwhalBalloon · 27/10/2021 19:13

I'm sorry, OP, I think he's absolutely lying. I can understand the lie, tbh, he must be mortified to have been discovered and challenged. I don't think you're going to get the truth from him. I think it's pretty obvious he did this for sexual purposes thinking he'd get away with it. I'm not sure I could get over it myself... but I wouldn't be surprised if most men have done some similarly dodgy things unfortunately. I'm not defending his choices in any way but... the human sex drive is a complicated and often freaky thing.

IslaPineappple · 27/10/2021 19:16

Hold on, why would he panic the second time as she hadn't accused him yet?

IslaPineappple · 27/10/2021 19:19

Also DH wouldn't know where my sister's knicker drawer was. It's weird he knows.

Blue4YOU · 27/10/2021 19:20

It’s plain as a pikestaff that it wasn’t the toddler first time round - what rifled through underwear (can the child reach the drawer?) and selected just one pair of (sexy?) knickers..? And didn’t run around with them on DC’s head, didn’t play with makeup or shoes or other clothes..
And THEN oh no - a bra finds it’s way into the bedding you were going to use and it just happened to be something that had to be put away because of the last “misunderstanding “.. bollox.
I was sexually assaulted by a doctor in a hospital who claimed the first touching incident was an accident (I had hoped it was), and the second time - whoops another accident.
These poor accident prone/clumsy/unfortunate men.
Big fat lie from someone who wanks or wears and wanks over your sister’s underwear..,
What’s next OP - a few drinks at Christmas and an accidental fumble in the grotto??
Of course it’s bullshit.
I’m sorry you have had to endure this

Whatinthelord · 27/10/2021 19:22

@Lotusmonster

It might not be devious or fetish. Your DH might be struggling with gender identity issues? Have are you considered or asked him about this? A few years back I had a friend whose husband of 15 years declared he wanted to be female, they had two kids. It happens.

To be honest I’m not really sure what your family are expecting to come out of this incident. Clearly if something is going on you have to investigate yourself within the marriage whether not you do anything about it it’s up to you. I wouldn’t feel any need to somehow report back to them with your findings or conclusions.

I mean I’d still consider going through someone’s underwear draw devious or deviant, even if the reason was liked to an identity issue.
ufucoffee · 27/10/2021 19:28

@HikingforScenery

I’m sorry I don’t get this. What if your being accused of exactly? He’s stolen your family member’s underwear and kept it ? What purpose would this serve?
You really don't know? Confused
Restart10 · 27/10/2021 19:29

I also think he is lying. Why would a toddler go into someone's underwear drawer and pull out just one piece? I don't believe that, and would be furious that he is prepared to blame the toddler. His answers are so well planned out, as if he can clearly explain everything but it sounds absolutely dodgy.

Justheretoaskaquestion91 · 27/10/2021 19:33

What’s really vile is that he would have been carrying out his sexual activities whilst caring for your toddler?!

ufucoffee · 27/10/2021 19:33

OP if a friend was telling you that this had happened to them, and their husband had done the same thing, what would you think?

HikingforScenery · 27/10/2021 19:37

I still don’t know what’s going on haha
However, I’m in the ‘move past this if you can’ camp

mcmooberry · 27/10/2021 19:40

This is all very odd, I could more easily believe him about the 2nd occasion if something had been said the first time, but it wasn't.
It's just a bit creepy and sad really.
Must admit if it was (for example) my brother in law who had done this, I really can't imagine saying anything about it. She really must be 100% sure.

zaffa · 27/10/2021 19:51

@SantasLittleHoHoHo

This is the sort of mess I can imagine I'd get into, so much anxiety around doing the right thing! I can totally believe he wouldn't have wanted to embarrass the person by saying "oh my dc was walking around with your thong" to the whole family, I'd also have attempted to put it back.

The second time is a strange coincidence, but to be fair after the first issue id be extra careful and panic too! I think it's down to whether you believe him or not.

Who is the female relative? Is it a step daughter? Or a grandma? Why was your DH alone in a house with their underwear about?

I was thinking this too - I don't know the truth about the OPs DH but I could absolutely imagine this happening to me and I'd be mortified if SH or his family thought I was deviant!
waterrat · 27/10/2021 19:54

As others have said you need to look at what is obviously true and undeniable. He went twice into your relatives underwear drawer. This is beyond unacceptable and hard to explain away..

It's interesting that he admits he was in the drawers but has come up with complex reasons why. Can you OP imagine doing this ? It's far far more likely that the second time you would not touch the underwear than that you would go into the drawer again.

I think a lie detector is just accepting you don't trust him. Can you promise him you won't judge him for the truth ? He may crsck and be honest in the end

zaffa · 27/10/2021 19:55

@FlorenceWintle

Is toddler often left unsupervised to wander through rooms and go through drawers in someone else's house? And seems unlikely they would select one item and leave with it and leave everything else reasonably intact? Surely they'd pull stuff out and make much more of a mess than carefully remove one item from the back?

This is what I was thinking and makes it implausible to me.

At least four times a week DD (22 months) opens DH underwear drawer, removes on pair of pants and puts them away in my drawer. She leaves the rest untouched. Again, I have no idea about OP DH, but the excuse is not that implausible to me (I don't know the man though)
EKGEMS · 27/10/2021 19:56

Ok here's an alternative theory-does DH have an addiction or a debt issue? A lot of people put their valuables in their underwear drawers. Of course he could have a fetish-either way he sounds guilty of something odd and not the female relative IMO

IveGotASongThatllGetOnYNerves · 27/10/2021 19:57

It seems most likely he went through her knickers for a quick thrill because his explanations sound bollocks

Naunet · 27/10/2021 20:06

Fascinating to see so many people rush to make nasty comments about the woman involved, based purely on a tiny amount of info on her. She’s “crazy”, jealous, manipulative etc. I guess this is how juries in rape cases work.

SpeakingFranglais · 27/10/2021 20:11

@Yarboosucks

How old is the female relative? If she is 30-50 that is a very different scenario to 15-18 or even 70-90....
Why?