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Suspicious behaviour

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PuzzlingPieces · 27/10/2021 15:01

Have toyed with posting this but here goes.

Recently, it has emerged that my DH has been accused of going through the underwear of a close female relative on two separate occasions when alone in their house. I knew absolutely nothing of this until family members accused DH directly of having a fetish. It has all come out since and I am devastated.

Context - the female family member is very particular about her belongings and refers to herself as OCD. The situation was presented to me as the female family member noticed on a recent visit after we had popped out for few hours leaving DH behind - that her underwear had moved. She found this odd but thought it could have been me or DC so tried to put out of mind.

On a further occasion a few weeks later the same thing happened - this time of an evening when DC in bed and everyone else out. She was obviously "looking" for this and feeling suspicious by this point.

In her mind there is/was no doubt that the belongings have moved as she is so particular. She doesn't leave her stuff around, ever, and the drawers are on the far side of the bedroom.

DH tells me that on first occasion, toddler age DC appeared with item earlier in day and he panicked, put it aside and then replaced it in the drawer when everyone was out so as not to look weird or draw attention to it.

On second occasion, he found a bra on the landing under our bedding (I know our bedding was on the landing) and panicked about this looking terrible especially after the first misunderstanding, so went to return it. Upon doing so he noticed just how organised the drawer was (hadn't done so on the first occasion due to speed) and panicked further so tried to "make" things look neat.

Family member referred to her drawer as a "total mess" after second occasion. Refutes the idea that DC could have obtained the item because the "nature" of the underwear was that it was at the back of the drawer not for day to day wear and child could not reach.

The landing where the bedding was is near to the laundry basket but I am told that the family member knows where her belongings are at all times (especially this one) and she is absolutely adamant it was removed from her drawer.

Family accused husband of the worst without explaining anything to me first. DH at first vehemently denied anything before later confessing that this was down to misunderstandings and gross oversteps of privacy, but not anything deviant as they suspect.

Family have now left me to it and say they will support my decision. I honestly don't know what to do or think. I am in total and utter shock. No previous indication of any inappropriate behaviour or fetish/sexual issues albeit my DH is someone that can have the odd social "clanger" so to speak.

We are happily married and I love my husband. I also love my family and don't think they have motive to lie and just want to protect me. They are willing to draw a line if I ask for that (easier said than done given how this was all explosively accused but that's a secondary issue until I can get this rationalised in my head!).

What would you believe / do?

And secondly, would you feel it reasonable to request a lie detector test in these circumstances? If a misunderstanding, very prepared to move on although very let down and devastated nonetheless. If the motive is something else (even just nosiness rather than anything more dreadful), what should I do? Appreciate in a marriage this should never be needed but I feel lost.

I want the truth even jf it's worst case scenario. My worst fear is that even if I choose to believe whatever I do, and move on (with help and counselling or whatever that may take) this may always niggle at me. It would also niggle at me if I left my husband, too. Totally lost.

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ChargingBuck · 28/10/2021 17:09

@THEDEACON

There's an awful lot of over reaction going on So your DH isn't as vanilla as you thought but he's hardly a sexual predator either
Fairly low bar to set.

"Not a sexual predator" doesn't make "man indulging his vanilla kink by invading female relative's bedroom space & committing 2 acts of 'gross overstepping of privacy' (his own words) in any way acceptable.

He can kink to his heart's content.
No need to drag his relative's underwear into it.
Unless that's the kink - the secrecy.

ChargingBuck · 28/10/2021 17:13

Oh ffs grow up. Don’t tell me what I think. That’s not what I think at all.

If you weren't thinking it, why mention it, @Lotusmonster?
If you agree that a possible gender identity issue doesn't mitigate the wrongdoing, why bring it up?

Same as PP saying it's a harmless kink.
It's not harmless when it drags another person in, unwittingly, & invades their personal space. Many women would feel violated by this odd behaviour.

2bazookas · 28/10/2021 17:22

You don't need a lie detector; he already confessed he's been messing with her underwear.

  • DH at first vehemently denied anything before later confessing that this was down to misunderstandings and gross oversteps of privacy*

Blaming the toddler, pretending its a "misunderstanding" and denying his motive was sexual were all lies. You don't need a lie detector to work that out.

He should to admit to the owner that he did it and apologise. Then he can never go to her house again. Possibly other family members will also refuse to lety him in their house , because he abuses trust and privacy.

It isn't your job to either cover for him or explain his behaviour or apologise for it. You should say to family " Yes, I know he did it, I can't begin to explain it , excuse it or understand it. I'm as shocked as you are. "

Where that leaves your marriage and future with him I have no idea. I'd find it hard to forgive the lies and denials and subterfuge and the breach of family trust in their homes.

limitedperiodonly · 28/10/2021 17:35

@Lotusmonster I am not transphobic but would not find it acceptable for someone exploring his feminine side to be doing it via my knicker drawer. I'd feel violated and troubled even if it was my teenage son let alone an adult male who is a relative stranger.

In that case I would be furious and afraid and would ban him from my house. I would also absent myself from family gatherings where I knew he would be and tell his wife why. If it was impacting my relationship with the rest of my family I would tell them and let them decide who they wanted to see.

Anyone who takes from others while in a position of trust - whether touching their bra and knickers in their private room or "borrowing" £20 left in full view in the living room deserves that judgment. It is entirely right that someone in OP's relation's position should be able to do that.

Don't dismiss my response as transphobia - it is an entirely normal reaction for a woman finding a man has intruded on her private space.

You've said some men do this late in life. If you would be happy for any man in this case a relative stranger to do this to you then that is your prerogative. But it is also the prerogative of other women not to agree with you.

A grown man who wants to explore being trans has no excuse for using the underwear or any clothes or personal possessions belonging to women without their express permission.

If not there are credit cards and Amazon. Surely you would agree.

Skysblue · 28/10/2021 19:28

His explanations just aren’t plausible, it’s beyond belief that he had an accidental visit to her underwear drawer twice!

(I actually had a friend of a friend go through my underwear drawer once when I popped out of the room, so grim but for some men it seems this is a turn on, yuck.)

I’m sorry OP. There are 3 different issues for you to think about here:

  1. His creepy sexual behaviour towards another woman.
  1. His lies to you.
  1. Whether you can accept the above enough to still love him and stay married or if this is a relationship destroyer.

He won’t agree to a lie detector test. He knows what he did and he knows what the result would be. He might agree to see a counsellor? Maybe individual and also couples counselling? If he admits what he’s done, accepts that it was wrong, and is willing to explore why he did it and try to change then perhaps the marriage could be saved. I’m always reluctant to say a marriage is over unless there’s cheating or violence etc. This is more he has a perversion and is being dishonest about it. But for me it would be difficult to find him sexy after that.

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