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Suspicious behaviour

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PuzzlingPieces · 27/10/2021 15:01

Have toyed with posting this but here goes.

Recently, it has emerged that my DH has been accused of going through the underwear of a close female relative on two separate occasions when alone in their house. I knew absolutely nothing of this until family members accused DH directly of having a fetish. It has all come out since and I am devastated.

Context - the female family member is very particular about her belongings and refers to herself as OCD. The situation was presented to me as the female family member noticed on a recent visit after we had popped out for few hours leaving DH behind - that her underwear had moved. She found this odd but thought it could have been me or DC so tried to put out of mind.

On a further occasion a few weeks later the same thing happened - this time of an evening when DC in bed and everyone else out. She was obviously "looking" for this and feeling suspicious by this point.

In her mind there is/was no doubt that the belongings have moved as she is so particular. She doesn't leave her stuff around, ever, and the drawers are on the far side of the bedroom.

DH tells me that on first occasion, toddler age DC appeared with item earlier in day and he panicked, put it aside and then replaced it in the drawer when everyone was out so as not to look weird or draw attention to it.

On second occasion, he found a bra on the landing under our bedding (I know our bedding was on the landing) and panicked about this looking terrible especially after the first misunderstanding, so went to return it. Upon doing so he noticed just how organised the drawer was (hadn't done so on the first occasion due to speed) and panicked further so tried to "make" things look neat.

Family member referred to her drawer as a "total mess" after second occasion. Refutes the idea that DC could have obtained the item because the "nature" of the underwear was that it was at the back of the drawer not for day to day wear and child could not reach.

The landing where the bedding was is near to the laundry basket but I am told that the family member knows where her belongings are at all times (especially this one) and she is absolutely adamant it was removed from her drawer.

Family accused husband of the worst without explaining anything to me first. DH at first vehemently denied anything before later confessing that this was down to misunderstandings and gross oversteps of privacy, but not anything deviant as they suspect.

Family have now left me to it and say they will support my decision. I honestly don't know what to do or think. I am in total and utter shock. No previous indication of any inappropriate behaviour or fetish/sexual issues albeit my DH is someone that can have the odd social "clanger" so to speak.

We are happily married and I love my husband. I also love my family and don't think they have motive to lie and just want to protect me. They are willing to draw a line if I ask for that (easier said than done given how this was all explosively accused but that's a secondary issue until I can get this rationalised in my head!).

What would you believe / do?

And secondly, would you feel it reasonable to request a lie detector test in these circumstances? If a misunderstanding, very prepared to move on although very let down and devastated nonetheless. If the motive is something else (even just nosiness rather than anything more dreadful), what should I do? Appreciate in a marriage this should never be needed but I feel lost.

I want the truth even jf it's worst case scenario. My worst fear is that even if I choose to believe whatever I do, and move on (with help and counselling or whatever that may take) this may always niggle at me. It would also niggle at me if I left my husband, too. Totally lost.

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GatoradeMeBitch · 27/10/2021 18:10

Sounds like the relative has MH issues I don't believe her

Because she says she has OCD?!

The most obvious explanation here - if we stop tying ourselves in knots to be apologists for the penis haver - is that this man has been using the relatives underwear for a masturbation prop. Apparently even with his toddler in the house. And even though he was caught out the first time, it didn't stop him going back to rummage through the drawer for round two...

He needs to be prevented from being in her house. Not just alone, but at all.

stitchy · 27/10/2021 18:11

So in the 2nd incident he found a bra mixed in with some bedding on the landing close to the laundry basket and instead of just putting it straight into the laundry basket in one swift move, job done embarrassment averted, he decided to go into someone else's bedroom and into their underwear drawers to find where bras are kept and to put back a bra that might be in need of a wash anyway...riiiggghhht

ChargingBuck · 27/10/2021 18:13

We are led to believe that this female relative has severe OCD, so severe she knows the exact placement of every single garment in every draw.

YET, she carelessly leaves a bra out across a room?
No, something does not add up. You can't be obsessively OCD one minute, and lazy and untidy the next.

Exactly so, @TheGirlCat.

Hence PP's suspicion of the whole sorry bra story.
The supposition being that relative did NOT carelessly leave a bra lying around - DH went & took it. Then messed up, trying to replace it, but being unable to recreate the OCD neatness that Relative would have expected.

BlankTimes · 27/10/2021 18:13

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Guiltypleasures001 · 27/10/2021 18:19

I do t think there's enough info from him to be honest
It's a cards in the table talk
Why did he do it
Was it wank material ?
Does he do it to you ?
Anyone else ?
You need more detail and honesty from him
I wouldn't know where to go with this with such little info sorry op

Fenelladepompom · 27/10/2021 18:22

Did the DH have a fling with rhe female relative while you stayed with her? Why has she involved the whole family in this instead of just you and your DH initially?

sammylady37 · 27/10/2021 18:24

@PlanDeRaccordement

Paranoia is a common symptom of OCD. I honestly would take her accusation with a grain of salt.
No, it’s not. The common symptoms of OCD are obsessional thoughts and or images and compulsions associated with them.

I’m a psychiatrist. If someone with a diagnosis of OCD starts displaying paranoid symptoms, it’s time to re-evaluate the diagnosis.

Eddielzzard · 27/10/2021 18:25

I'm so sorry you're having to deal with this.

Unfortunately his version doesn't ring true at all. I'm not OCD and I know exactly how I leave my draws and if someone had come along I'd definitely know. I believe your relative who must be massively creeped out by this. I'm sure she wouldn't have left underwear under your bedlinen.

For one: when your toddler was playing with it, how did he know where to return it? I suppose he could have opened all her drawers to find the right one, but why not just put it on the side in her room? His side just doesn't ring true.

What do you do now?

I'd just take some time to think about it all. Anything in the past which might make more sense with hindsight? I would impress upon him the importance of being honest and that if he lies now, and it comes to light that he was lying, the trust is broken.

ChargingBuck · 27/10/2021 18:27

@stitchy

So in the 2nd incident he found a bra mixed in with some bedding on the landing close to the laundry basket and instead of just putting it straight into the laundry basket in one swift move, job done embarrassment averted, he decided to go into someone else's bedroom and into their underwear drawers to find where bras are kept and to put back a bra that might be in need of a wash anyway...riiiggghhht
This is the absolute nub of it @stitchy.

Alongside the bullshit he spouted above, it's the going into her bedroom that's the issue - invasive, entitled ... creepy.

I wouldn't do that in my best mate's house, & neither of us are precious about undercrackers/nudity/personal issues around each other. It's just not something I'd be comfortable to do.

& if I saw a man in her bedroom - with or without drawer-rummaging - I'd be asking the rude entitled bastard what the FUCK he was playing at.

It just doesn't stack up.
Too shy to phone his wife & plead for emergency assistance about an mortifying toddler-underwear-nicking issue - but not too shy to march right into a woman's most private home sanctuary?

Nope.

CoronaPeroni · 27/10/2021 18:34

What a shitshow. I'm sure whatever has actually happened, relationships will never be the same again. DH certainly made some poor choices if he is completely innocent. An item a toddler picked up? Just chuck it on the bed and explain later. A bra on the landing? Just leave it. Good luck op.

nocoolnamesleft · 27/10/2021 18:34

He only admitted invading her bedroom, twice, when challenged. He only admitted invading her underwear drawer, twice, when challenged. His story sounds highly implausible. And all the people blaming the relative's OCD are ignoring that she was actually right that he'd been in her drawer. It's more likely that he has been rooting in her drawer for a perv than it is that his story is true.

Summersnake · 27/10/2021 18:36

This will be in tomorrow’s daily mail
Anyway ,
We all do stupid things / get ourselves in a pickle sometimes.
If I was in your shoes and this had happened,
If I thought he fancied her I’d think he probably was having a nose
If I was sure he didn’t fancy her ,older aunt or something,I’d think I’d probably belive some of his story
Either way
It is absolutely not enough to end a marriage over
He’s been humiliated as it is
Time to apologise (him) and let it go ( everyone else)

Toomanyradishes · 27/10/2021 18:37

Even if the first one is true, the fact that he thinks its appropriate to go into her bedroom, go through her drawers to find her underwear etc would be wierd

The second one is beyond wierd. The obvious answer is to put the bra in the laundry basket. The whole thing about putting it away because of it being the second time is bull because as far as he was aware the first time had passed unnoticed so why would he base the reaction to the second incident off that?

Boudiccasback · 27/10/2021 18:37

Have you ever had any reason to doubt DH before? I would be inclined to believe him and move on.

Whatinthelord · 27/10/2021 18:40

I’m sorry op, this sounds like such a stressful situation for you.

I think I probably would not believe the explanation he’s given. It all sounds too far fetched. My belief, based on just the information given, would be that he sought out the underwear specifically. It’s just too confident to think a bra happened to be left with your bedding AND a child happened to go in the drawer only weeks apart, both when your OH was the only adult in the house?? Nope it doesn’t sit right at all.

I wouldn’t be asking for a lie detector. I probably would be telling him that I didn’t believe him and that I wanted the truth.

WonderfulYou · 27/10/2021 18:41

It doesn’t sound great but I can’t think why if he had already been caught, he would risk doing it again!
Unless he just cannot help himself and the urge was too strong.

Also I’ve heard of men stealing women’s underwear but not looking at them and then putting them back.

I don’t know if I would believe him or not. And lie detectors aren’t accurate.

Can you think of anything else that has happened in the past that didn’t feel right?
To be honest lots of people could have been through my underwear drawer and I wouldn’t realise so it might be the same for other family members.

ChargingBuck · 27/10/2021 18:42

He’s been humiliated as it is
Time to apologise (him) and let it go ( everyone else)

Fucksake, the Handmaidens have arrived.

Heavens forfend a man should suffer humiliation when his creepy tale doesn't add up & his creepy behaviour is exposed.

The Relative's humiliation (& invasion of her personal privacy) doesn't register with you though, @Summersnake - why is that?

CrazyTimesAreOccurring · 27/10/2021 18:45

Toddler blaming - bit like blaming the dog when you've farted

Beautiful3 · 27/10/2021 18:50

He's obviously rummaged around her underwear drawer twice now. That would make him a sexual creep, and would upset me.

SirVixofVixHall · 27/10/2021 18:54

I have had a friend’s toddler (about 3 or 4) rifle through my drawer so I could at a stretch believe the first incident but not the second ? No.
I think it is just about possible that he put the pants back the first time, but that having seen the drawer he went back to peep the second. Maybe tried on the bra ? Or possibly both times he was being a bit nosy.
I assume this is your big sister ? You need to sit down with your DH and insist that he tells you the absolute truth.

Yarboosucks · 27/10/2021 18:54

I am trying very hard to imagine what I would do if I were OP.

If it were my DH and the undies belonged to my DS - I would laugh a lot and rip the piss out of him for years to come! My DS would be furious with him and would tackle it head on with him. She would not come to be unless she absolutely knew it to be true because he had told her.

If they belonged to my DM - I would do a little vom in my mouth and would rip the piss out of him for years to come! My DM would be perplexed but would raise it with him before coming to me.

If they belonged to my DN (22) - I would be revolted and worried about our future. She would tell her mother before me, her mother (my DS) would save me the bother of ripping him a new one.

Justheretoaskaquestion91 · 27/10/2021 18:54

Did he tell you that the toddler got something out of the drawer before the relative? Because for me, if his version of events were true, he would have immediately grabbed you snd said “omg you won’t believe what happened Hahhaha” or something. To not have mentioned it and then her find out…smacks of lying and blaming the toddler. Also keen to know where underwear was kept that a toddler could reach it?

But come on. Twice? TWICE?! And the relative wasn’t happy with him moving stuff the first time so he thought he’d voluntarily pick up her underwear a second time? Nah.

StrongSunglasses · 27/10/2021 18:56

As others have already stated, it’s not typical behaviour to find oneself in the situation of being alone in an empty house rootling through the underwear drawer of a partner’s family member on any occasion, let alone more than once.

I’ve never done it, would never do it and like pp - if there was an errant item lurking, I’d either ignore it or (and I wouldn’t even do this tbh) chuck it in the laundry.

If it was the DC (first time) then I’d mention this to my OH in an “omg” way at the time and if it wasn’t DC related (second time) then I actually wouldn’t have “got involved” in moving said item at all from where it was found, let alone rootling through a knicker drawer yet again to “return” the item Hmm

It seems unlikely that the gods would conspire on two separate occasions to put this relative’s underwear into the possession of your DH - both times during an empty house - and both times necessitating him to enter her bedroom and mess up her knicker draw[er]s instead of any of the more obvious options (ie anything that doesn’t involve going through the underwear drawer as an act of kindness/mercy/there’s no good reason)

It’s just…. borderline outlandish. Sorry OP Flowers

Yarboosucks · 27/10/2021 19:00

If OP comes back, she is going to have to tell us if the relative is a DS or a DM!

Yarboosucks · 27/10/2021 19:00

DSIS even